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I am very scared of the vegan movement, they will try to take our right away to have companion animals.

@FeralLovin
The world is filled with injustices toward humans, children, animals, etc. Some people can cope with them, some people fall into depression just by knowing they happen. I cope just fine, I'm not depressed by it.
Even from my completely opposite "animal murdering" point of view, I totally agree. As a teacher who desperately tried to save my students, I *eventually* came to the conclusion, I can't save them all. Some are going to die. Some will drink and drive after football games no matter what I do and wrap their cars around telephone poles. I have to continue. I can't accept responsibility for that. That was totally on them. And then, too, I would encounter 4.0s whose grade point and academic performance "insulated them" from psychological help.... When they committed suicide? I'd done all I could. I had to give up blaming myself for not convincing others they needed help.

We do what we can. And then, in humility, admit to the universe we are not superhuman. We cannot change the world. We just do what we can.

Good on you, sir!
 
@Aluzky

Final word. To you, my meat-eating habits and hunting may seem hideously offensive. But we're still on the same team, really. If anti-zoos come for you, I still have your back. To get to you, they have to come through me. And I'm a perverse, animal-murdering, apex predator sonofabitch that has no problem using force to protect my community members.

YOU, you may be willing to die alone in an alley for the cause.

ME, I ain't gonna stand by and let that happen. Can't. Won't. I think your dog would do the same, right? Attack those who threaten you?

Us old dogs are like that. My pack, I protect. (ESPECIALLY given your mental disabilities! Hahahahahahaha.... j/k).

No matter how much I bark and snap at you? Eres mi familia. ¿Intiendas? El hermano mayor te da un Dutch rub, pero nadie se mete con mi hermano pequeño.
 
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As @BlueBeard put it perfectly, @Aluzky isn't here to debate anyone, they're just here to shame everyone that doesn't fit their same line of thought, very much like @Wolfia and @Hewflungpew . Different topics of argument but with no intention to actually dialog with the rest of everyone else. Because a man has sex with a dog, they're a rapist (Wolfia) because someone looks to other's for advice and community they're a spineless idiot (Hewflungpew), and now if we eat meat we're murderers. It's a circular logic battle that has no victor except for the self proclaimed one who started the argument who are only seeking self-justification.
I simply stated my oppinon that if you ask questions like: am I gay, am I zoo, am I bi and so on.. That you simply don't know YOURSELF and you need to figure it out yourself not ask ppl you don't know and don't know you.

And that if you have to classify ppl as gay bi or whatever you are part of the problem why racisum will never die! Labels shouldn't matter to you if you know who you are. THATS WHY I said fuck your lables, in the last conversation that we had that you could not understand.(you took it as I was personally attacking alusky or whoever)

You obviously don't have the capacity to pick up what I put down most of the time.

Like I said to you b4(in French accent): go away or I shall be forced to taunt you a second time!

Or go ahead and come back at me about how you think lableisum isn't racist so I can make you look like even more of a fool!
 
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And he's back. With more unsolicited advice. Here again to polish his halo.

Welcome back!
 
And you think I give a shit about your opinion on this matter why? You're still a comedic clown to me with no valid arguments or opinions nor do you have anything meaningful to contribute to the forum. I mean go ahead and keep defending yourself off topic here if you want, I'm sure everyone could use a good laugh :gsd_happysmile:

Btw I know exactly what you were referring to. If you can get through life without the help of others to find a personal identity that separates you from everyone else then good on ya, but to expect others to handle life exactly like you do and consider them lesser when they don't is what I take issue with. Not everyone is cut from the same cloth, not everyone handles existential journey's the same yet apparently you seem to think that everyone should. Would be great if it were that simple, but because humans are such complex creatures with unique upbringings and approaches to life what your suggesting is a impossible hope.

Your argument simply condensed is "Everyone is bad who doesn't agree with me" which is why I attributed you to the same as @Aluzky and @Wolfia , different arguments, same line of stupidity.
Hahaha, you are such an idiot! When did I ever say half of what you accused me of.

You are right thou, in that not everyone can find their way throu life..sheep always follow the heard to slaughter.
thats what's wrong with society, ppl like you have no common sence, no logic.
You say I have no points.
If you don't see the logic on how you are the only person that can tell you who you are you are dumber than the dirt I move on a daily basis. If it wernt for technology most ppl like you would not survive.

Everyone that dosent agree with me is bad?
What are you 12?

Keep going! You are amusing me!
 
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Funny how it takes you 3 paragraphs.

If you can't say it simple, that means you don't understand what you are saying.

Wich is obvious..you can't see reason or logic.

You would rather have ppl ask others on this site: who am I, am I this or am I that.
When the only person that can tell you who you are is yourself.

Or your shrink you came out to cause you wanted acceptance, cause you couldn't accept yourself the way you are.

Yea Zooville: listen to a guy that needs more attention than a teenage girl, and has to come out to a shrink for their acceptance to be able to accept themselves.

So laughable
 
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No debate can be had when the majority of people who respond just want to be rude and make personal attacks.
Because calling people murderers and speciesist is polite and very gentleman of you. If you're going to start hurling shit around, don't be all surprised pikachu meme when it gets thrown back in your direction.
But, I do deserve respect, and since it's been shown over and over that I won't be given it
You earn it and the way you and the other 2 vegan extremists behave, don't deserve it.
 
So instead of putting all my thoughts out there as eloquently and clearly as possible you'd rather I dumb down my argument to that of your 5th grade debate style? No I'm good, I'd rather people see the distinction of my sound logic and and your stupid fallacy personally. Plus to use such a childish argument *well your big words means your real dumb* if fucking stupid in itself, who gives two shits about how an argument is presented, so long as all points are clearly stated. I can tell you never succeeded far into your education XD (but then again those with mental handicaps are usually stunted in any sort of developmental and educational growth anyways). BTW, I had 4 paragraphs, not 3, but its okay I can understand how counting is a hard concept for you to grasp at this point ;3
Thats my point! You try to sound like you have Einstein IQ.

When the simplest solutions are usually the correct ones.

Like you coming out to a shrink for acceptance cause you can't accept yourself or know who you are.

If you knew who you are you wouldn't need acceptance from a stranger, or think that asking others on a forum is going to give you clarity on who you are.
 
I think that if we would meet up in person, we all would get along quite fine with each other. It's much more difficult online where we are left handicapped without body language, facial expressions and the tones of our voices.

What would we have for dinner, though? ;)
 
Yep cause children don't know how to hate and are genuine

Give up dude.. You ain't gonna get me.
You don't have the wit
 
For those who don't know, there is something called the animal rights movement. Their goal is to abolish all meat, pets and bring domestic animals to extinction. They are a cult group and use fear and manipulation to get people to join them.

This makes me extremely anxious. I have never been good with people due to mental illness, I cannot hold a job at all, but am given disability money. My pet girl rabbit is the only way I'm motivated to live.

Ive been a zoo my whole life since 13 and I'm 20 years old now, but am only interested in female bunnies and recently performed oral sex on my Flemish giant rabbit. She has shown no displeasure and is snuggling right beside me right now and giving kisses and waiting to be pet. This feeling is far better than anything Ive ever felt my whole life.

If vegans managed to take my right to own pets, then I will have no motivation to live. I need the companionship of a female rabbit to survive.

Is anyone else afraid of these people? I needed to ask this because I am dead scared of this movement gaining power and momentum. It would be great to hear your feelings on this issue.
A court ruling in the UK recently gives vegans the same status as a religious movement.
 
A court ruling in the UK recently gives vegans the same status as a religious movement.

Oh, that's interesting. I looked it up and just for precision, the court ruled that it is a philosophical belief system that gets the same protection like religious beliefs, so you may not be discriminated for being an ethical vegan similarly to how you may not be discriminated for being Christian.

 
Oh, that's interesting. I looked it up and just for precision, the court ruled that it is a philosophical belief system that gets the same protection like religious beliefs, so you may not be discriminated against for being an ethical vegan similarly to how you may not be discriminated against for being Christian.

But effectively calls it a religion protected by law
 
I'm not sure what your message is? Do you mean to say that veganism would be a religion?
 
I never called anyone a murderer, nor a speciesist. Please stop lying.
I'd backup my accusations with proof, but all of your comments are gone so I can't. If you didn't say these things, then I apologize. You are certainly a higher caliber person compared to the other 2 nimrods.
 
Hey everyone's opinion is valid and we should all feel free to share our opinions without fear of being ridiculed or harassed
if you don't agree with it that's fine to but insulting someone because there opinion is different than yours is just prejudice.
 
WELL
For those of us who have watched this ... discussion ...
It seems that the answer to the question posed in this topic ... i-am-very-scared-of-the-vegan-movement-they-will-try-to-take-our-right-away-to-have-companion-animals
NOPE
Zoo vegans appear to be just a side branch PETA, with similar fanatical ideals of morality.
Except ... Zoo vegans .. leave out the removal of companion animals since they wish to continue their love of their chosen companion animals.
The ones here seem to mostly be interested in preaching their fanatical high morality to simply keep their own egos inflated about how much more intelligent they are then the rest of us, since we are not willing to accept that their high morality beliefs are the only true ideal beliefs.
It also appears that the majority of them have no plans, or ideas of doing anything more then simply preaching these ideals.
None of the vegans in this thread have said a single thing to make me change my moral beliefs on eating meat, i think most of us carnivores know that not all all animal husbandry practices in the meat trade are ethical, and many of us simply go with those we feel are in fact more ethical choices.
I admit to skimming some of the extremely long winded BS in some of the posts.
Did any vegans ever actually, directly answer the topic question?
I only remember long winded statements of the morality of eating meat. PAGES of it. Very little actual discussion of the topic question.

NO!!!!! Vegans will not in our lifetimes get rid of our animal companions.

The same way and for the same reasons PETA will likely never eliminate animal companions and both will NOT even eliminate farm animals in our lifetimes.

It seems like both truly support their extreme moral beliefs, in many cases to extremes. But neither do much to make the majority change theirs. They simply wish to grandstand and gain attention to make themselves feel more high and mighty, morally then the rest of us, is how they seem.
 
Movie Guy Voice: "In a world where humanity is no longer allowed to have pets..."

But replace the Pokemon with real animals who have their own jobs, cars, apartments, etc. And instead of being 'captured' with Pokeballs, they enter mutually beneficial contracts with humans that can be used to sue if there's ever a breach. Like a bowl of food being inadequately supplied or in this community's case, sexual needs not being met.
 
What we would like to do is for the homeless animal population to be reduced by people being more responsible with their animals and not breeding more into existence when millions are euthanized in shelters every year because there are too many of them. Giving a homeless animal love and care is highly encouraged.
I would hope that everyone who thinks of themselves as zoo or even just an animal lover agrees with this. Unfortunately, it has always been a battle. Even 40yrs ago as a child there was a humane society in the very rural small town i grew up in, that my parents did volunteer work for. Overpopulation and unwanted pets was a serious problem even then. Unfortunately the majority of the population seems to have little concept of an animals actual value as more then just actual value or usefulness. The problem has only multiplied at the same rate as the human population it seems, not gotten better. With so many no longer seeming to have the slightest respect or responsibility for their own actions. If they do not take responsibilty for their own actions, why would they for a pet. For many pets are just property, to use how you will and get rid of if you no longer wish to be bothered with them.
Is it really that fanatical to not want to harm animals?
NO, it is not.
I think people get defensive and take it personally because their lifestyle in which they were raised is being questioned. But, it's not an attack on the person. I will give that some vegans do personally attack others
In many ways it is a part of human nature to get defensive when one feels attacked, and it riles you up to the point of wishing to attack back in defense ... often, when their is no true reason to attack back. The main reason people often have a hard time simply calmly discussing a volitile topic such as a lot of this thread turned into, is not as much about the differences of opinion, but the serious fanaticals refusal to accept that their can be no other opinion or different set of moral beliefs. On both sides. The belief that everyone must except their moral opinion, with no exceptions.
Even when some of their points are valid reasons for many, they can not except that not everyone can accept every morality issue they see. Grey areas in morality will always exist in different ways for all of us.
Some seem like they only wish to sledgehammer their moral beliefs on everyone. It can never happen with everyone. Continuing to sledgehammer
how right you are, and everyone MUST conform to your beliefs, because your morality is the only way anyone should feel, does not make it happen, no matter how much they truly believe there can be no other thought on it.
For the most part, vegans aren't "preaching" because they have a superiority complex; it's because they care about animals and want to convince people to stop paying for them to be mistreated and killed at an early age.
I think you would find a majority here feel this way as well.
The flaming issues that develop are not because of this.
The anger that develops on such topics are mostly the ways some wish to push this. Claiming people are murders for eating meat, and using animal products will only cause every person doing this to get pissed off. People do not feel like murders when they have not pulled the trigger personally.
Many have no real clue about the truth of where the nice pretty package of meat came from. Unfortunately, many never will.
Also, the most effective thing a person can do if they are against what's done to animals in animal agriculture is to boycott the industry. What else could be done, anyway? The consumer has all the power. That's why you see vegans trying to convince others to stop paying for animal products. Animal products aren't necessary, and the more people who stop supporting animal agriculture, the less animals suffer, and the more plant-based options will become available. Not everyone will change their mind, but a lot of people realize they aren't okay with supporting it once they know the full picture.
Bingo!!! That is likely the only way to change peoples minds on how much meat and other animal products we buy, that doesn't piss folks off. Very few are going to stop eating meat enirely or stop using animal products overnight. Small steps get you where you wish to go.
Education about the truth of factory farms, slaughterhouses and such. The more they understand the more they swing to somewhat better alternatives.
Organic, and pasture raised, humanely slaughtered animals that at least have the appearance of being a better life for the animals, is slowly becoming bigger and bigger. Alternative choices, are at least a step in a better direction.
Boycott a word wide massive, corporate profit making enterprise is likely to do little.
Change consumer buying habbits forces the giant corporations to change some of their old habits.

People who scream about meat eaters and animal product users being murderers, speciesists, sadists, and such does nothing but piss people off, and make them attack you back.
 
People who scream about meat eaters and animal product users being murderers, speciesists, sadists, and such does nothing but piss people off, and make them attack you back.
I couldn't agree more. However, SkawdtDawg has been the most respectful to others and tried to promote his views without degrading everyone. It's unfortunate that his methods of debate are not used by certain other members that resort to the tactics mentioned in the quote above.
 
I am very scared of this type of thinking. By scared, I mean very annoyed! Like, how is animal rights a bad thing? I don't eat a lot of meat and poultry yet the only thing I'm militant about is keeping my canines and other animals safe!

-Signed an animal rights activist
 
@SkawdtDawg did get me interested in vegan alternatives, to his credit, and I think that there are many interesting foods that I would otherwise not have tried. I think that veganism is really a perfectly sustainable dietary option, and I think that it is time for me to stop regarding it as something insurmountable or byzantine to ever do. Besides, I am loving the Impossible Burgers, and I have been getting a lot more bivalve mollusks in my diet. As long as vegans can regard a bivalve mollusk as a vegetable, then this is really not all that complicated or any particular sacrifice to do.

I think that the really telling argument is that it is a myth that giving up products that are derived from animals is some sort of untenable sacrifice that takes almost every option that tastes even slightly good off the menu because it is not true at all. There are many great vegetarian options out there that actually taste fantastic, and if you are not ready to give up meat, then just try them, anyway. You don't have to be a vegetarian to enjoy great vegetarian food: it is not going to taste bad or poison you just because you also eat meat.

The way I did the vegetarian/reducitarian concept was that, rather than cutting meat and dairy out, I cut great vegetarian and pescetarian options in. I kept on trying new things, and plant-based foods is really an entire world of things to try that I have never tried before. It is not a super-limited or ultra-expensive selection. It is stuff that is affordable and really fun.

It also helps me to think of crustaceans and mollusks as vegetables. I will have to give my apologies to anyone that is super-duper-ultra-vegan if they consider the welfare of a shrimp to be an animal rights concern, but it is not even slightly: they are a collection ganglia. I think that fish tastes fine, too, and I might switch my cat over to pescetarian cat food. You can call me a tetrapodal supremacist if you want to. Shrimps and lobsters and oysters, I can do that. I had some mussels the other night, and they were decadent. I really prefer bivalve mollusks and crustaceans, honestly. Fish tastes a little fishy to me; I can do sockeye if I wash it in the sink for several minutes, though. I have an obsession with mussels, lately.


However, I have also been experimenting with jack fruit, seasoned tofu, and other really fun stuff that I had never actually gone out of my way to try before, and the truth is that I had gotten so wedded to the idea that meat had to be in a meal to make it taste good, I had been neglecting the majority of the damn supermarket. There were aisles that I had not even looked in. It is really pretty damn good.

But once again, it was a "cutting in" strategy that really worked for me, rather than a "cutting out" strategy.
 
Zoo vegans appear to be just a side branch PETA, with similar fanatical ideals of morality.

I disagree. The Vegans on this forum are most likely part of "Zeta" a German based pro zoo group. Seems the "vegans" that post on this forum are also associated with them and are promoting their views. Tying zoo interests with veganism is something they do a lot.
 
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