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Then you'd rather be wrong.
Doubt it.Then you'd rather be wrong.
Again....cherry picking. Sardinia is one of many BLUE ZONES....along with Okinawa and other locations.Doubt it.
No native multi-generational population have ever been vegan. Ever.
The longest lived people are the sardinians and they literally eat fermented cheese killed from a baby goats stomach.
Animal products are human nutrition.
Did you know Steve Jobs tried something like that?I personally know a couple of people who beat cancer.....no chemo....no radiation!
Just by going raw vegan (which has the greatest impact!)
I'm sorry, using actual logic, you would actually need to prove this claim first. Can you prove our digestive system is exactly like all those primates combined?Use logic....our digestive system is EXACTLY that of the Great Apes....gorillas....orangutans....bonobos....chimpanzees.
Ok, do you know how the scientific method works? This is a single anecdote from an uneducated observer. If you want to get any meaningful conclusion beyond a correlation, you will repeat this experiment a few hundred times at least and compare it with a control group that doesn't do the experiment. Even then, you could, if the results were positive, only draw the conclusion that something affects you positively somehow. And then you still haven't verified if it could be because of other vegan related behavior that could perhaps emerge from it.I have been vegan since 1990......I can personally tell you the way I feel and look is light night and day!!
I was sick often growing up....dealt with asthma....psoriasis....colds....flus.
All gone within weeks!! I never get colds of flus!
Conclusions:
Our study has shown that Austrian adults who consume a vegetarian diet are less healthy (in terms of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), have a lower quality of life, and also require more medical treatment. Therefore, a continued strong public health program for Austria is required in order to reduce the health risk due to nutritional factors. Moreover, our results emphasize the necessity of further studies in Austria, for a more in-depth analysis of the health effects of different dietary habits.
Veganism didn't kill Steve Jobs.....50% genetics....50% environmental influence (obviously including diet).Did you know Steve Jobs tried something like that?
Did you know Steve Jobs died?
Veganism didn't kill Steve Jobs.....50% genetics....50% environmental influence (obviously including diet).
He was likely past the point of no return considering the years of abuse to his diet.
By the way.....even with a genetic disposition to a disease or condition....it can be avoided by a plant'based diet provided it's done sooner rather than later.....unlike Steve Jobs.
Too little too late.
Despite his diagnosis, Jobs resisted his doctors' recommendations for medical intervention for nine months,[160] instead relying on alternative medicine to thwart the disease. According to Harvard researcher Ramzi Amri, his choice of alternative treatment "led to an unnecessarily early death". Other doctors agree that Jobs's diet was insufficient to address his disease. However, cancer researcher and alternative medicine critic David Gorski wrote that "it's impossible to know whether and by how much he might have decreased his chances of surviving his cancer through his flirtation with woo. My best guess was that Jobs probably only modestly decreased his chances of survival, if that."[161] Barrie R. Cassileth, the chief of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center's integrative medicine department,[162] said, "Jobs's faith in alternative medicine likely cost him his life.... He had the only kind of pancreatic cancer that is treatable and curable.... He essentially committed suicide."[163] According to Jobs's biographer, Walter Isaacson, "for nine months he refused to undergo surgery for his pancreatic cancer – a decision he later regretted as his health declined".[164] "Instead, he tried a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbal remedies, and other treatments he found online, and even consulted a psychic. He was also influenced by a doctor who ran a clinic that advised juice fasts, bowel cleansings and other unproven approaches, before finally having surgery in July 2004."[165] He eventually underwent a pancreaticoduodenectomy (or "Whipple procedure") in July 2004, that appeared to remove the tumor successfully.[166][167] Jobs did not receive chemotherapy or radiation therapy.[158][168]
No....you misunderstood....a vegan diet definitely has a positive influence on health....ideally being raised exclusively on a plant based diet is the ideal.Didn't take you to respond so soon. I added more to my post, would be cool if you addressed that.
Also you just basically admitted that his vegan diet was very much of influence in his disposition to survive his pancreatic cancer.
I can safely say that it didn't increase it.
No....you misunderstood....a vegan diet definitely has a positive influence on health....ideally being raised exclusively on a plant based diet is the ideal.
If you have the genetic disposition to a certain disease or diseases.....a plant-based diet is the armour to prevent it from showing up.
Steve Jobs was past the point of no return. Once you have the disease it's still worth a shot!! There have been many cases where it has been successful!!
I personally know someone who was successful. He had bladder cancer....no chemo....no radiation. Just went raw vegan for the greatest impact!
Plant foods are medicine.....corpses are poison to the human body.
Surgery obviously helped....I'm sure changing his diet did too....but from what I recall he did start to eat fish again.If Jobs was past the point of return, he wouldn't have lived for 7 more years after the surgery.
It seems you are also ignoring the scientific article I linked, and you are coming up with no proper evidence but choose to rely on your own (biased) anecdotes to "prove" it. That's not how science works. That's not how discussions work. That's not how good arguments are made.
Again....cherry picking. Sardinia is one of many BLUE ZONES....along with Okinawa and other locations.
The common denominator is that they eat PLENTY of fresh raw vegetables and are VERY active. Low stress....contentment....a sense of community.....the pursuit of happiness.
Body....mind.....soul....all of it MUST be attended to and respected.
As for your dead goat shit.....no.
There are some things you are not addressing. You have to remember it's QUALITY of life not only QUANTITY of life.All of them, NOT VEGAN.
https://www.sardiniafooddistrict.com/en/goat-milk-cheese/9-cazu-de-crabittu.html - because doing this is so vegan. Lol @ u.
"it will remind you how people once lived, managing to create extraordinary products out of utter misery." The sardinians ate this for centuries and lived long for it.
I win.
There are some things you are not addressing. You have to remember it's QUALITY of life not only QUANTITY of life.
There is a possibility of many health ailments like osteoporosis and arthritis due to a diet rich in dairy.
I'm sure this "food" was not contributing factor to their longevity as much as the plant foods were....which were likely in greater portions. Plus the fact they were very active people etc....
Try a little experiment......go eat that goat shit as much as you want for a year or two....see how you feel....get your blood work done.... cholesterol etc.
The Inuit had and still have rampant osteoporosis and other ailments.Wrong. The sardinians were living long lives for centuries before that recent study. They ate the most brutal animal products that you can imagine.
Also winston price proved that there is NO VEGAN populations ever to survive generations. The inuit ate ONLY animal products and so did he when he stayed with them. He lived to his 80s when the average lifespan of his contemporaries was 40-50s.
Checkmate.
The Inuit had and still have rampant osteoporosis and other ailments.
Some Hindus and Jains diets were at vegetarian for centuries. Some tribes in Africa too.
Sardinians genetics plays a part....like I said....it's 50/50....genetics/environmental (diet). Like I said QUALITY not only QUANTITY of life matters.
Bottom line....I go with my personal experiences and the science of today.
Win! Win!
The science agrees with me....not you.VEGETARIAN is NOT VEGAN. You still eat eggs, milk and cheese and get by ok.
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Double win.
No u.The science agrees with me....not you.
So does my real life experiences.
Keep calm and continue as you are.....one day if you're lucky you might be able to text from the hospital....hopefully not terminal.
As for vegan athletes....not necessary....to each their own.
As for B12....EVERYONE should take it at least twice a month.
Funny thing....I have a friend....she's a multimillionaire meat head. She buys the most expensive steaks and other dead things and eats it daily.
She was found to be low in B12 and iron....and is now on blood pressure medication.
She is taking supplements.
I just told her....eat plant'based and all will be well!!
She has no desire to....I told her I will say something nice at her funeral.
He's foolish!! There are many healthy people today that were raised from birth on a plant based diet.....including an Olympic Athlete.
Bad decision on his part.
The science agrees with me....not you.
Body builder jon venus no longer vegan.
Funny thing....I have a friend....she's a multimillionaire meat head. She buys the most expensive steaks and other dead things and eats it daily.
She was found to be low in B12 and iron....and is now on blood pressure medication.
She is taking supplements.