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I am very scared of the vegan movement, they will try to take our right away to have companion animals.

Buster2020 said:
Because many think you need animal flesh for B12 and iron.....which couldn't be further from the truth!
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You can get it from supplements, I know that. Again, what's your point?

Buster2020 said:
She has high blood pressure from narrowing of her blood vessels of years of eating animal products. All the fat and cholesterol caking the inner walls of her arteries and veins.
The good news is that it can be reversed by eating a plant-based diet.
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Citation needed

Buster2020 said:
Go to nutritionfacts.org....it's all there.
Use the search window.
You're capable.
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That's clearly pseudoscience, as I've mentioned before.
 
Bivalve molluscs have less brains than Terri Schiavo.

For ethical purposes, these are vegetables:

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There is your B12.
 
Black_Unicorn said:
I really like Jon's exposure of how his mind set limited his ability to accept the real world. He says his friends are sick but he wont shame them. He explains how Veganism is a toxic mental state.
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I mean you can body building being vegan but you smash protien powder, supps, inject b12 in your butt and a bunch of fake big pharma 'roids to do it. All "vegan" athletes go vegan near the top of their career, fail, then go back to meat.
 
Black_Unicorn said:
I really like Jon's exposure of how his mind set limited his ability to accept the real world. He says his friends are sick but he wont shame them. He explains how Veganism is a toxic mental state.
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How does someone's mind set make them unable to accept the real world? ?6
 
Pillar said:
How does someone's mind set make them unable to accept the real world? ?6
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As Jon said in the video his mind set made him ignore facts that did not suit his agenda of being Vegan. He was preprogrammed to look for only sources that supported the Vegan myth. Now that he is no longer Vegan he can see the decisions he made in the past were not done with real world data.

I have a friend who is a anti-vaxxer and she will not accept any real world data on vaccines. She always goes back to one faked study from England because it fits her mind set.
 
Black_Unicorn said:
As Jon said in the video his mind set made him ignore facts that did not suit his agenda of being Vegan. He was preprogrammed to look for only sources that supported the Vegan myth. Now that he is no longer Vegan he can see the decisions he made in the past were not done with real world data.

I have a friend who is a anti-vaxxer and she will not accept any real world data on vaccines. She always goes back to one faked study from England because it fits her mind set.
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Bivalve molluscs have about as much brains as religious right Republicans use, and they smell better. If you have a shellfish allergy, a Tilapia is about in George Bush territory.

Fish and chips. You know you crave.
 
I have a vegan friend who is an older lady, she is currently suffering reduced lung function and her doctors can't figure out why.

I can find some studies that show the iron from vegetable is less bioavailable which has shown that in conjunction with drinking black tea can significantly reduce lung function. It seems that high level vegan runners avoid black tea for this reason.

Does anyone have more info on illnesses caused by Veganism.
 
Black_Unicorn said:
I have a vegan friend who is an older lady, she is currently suffering reduced lung function and her doctors can't figure out why.

I can find some studies that show the iron from vegetable is less bioavailable which has shown that in conjunction with drinking black tea can significantly reduce lung function. It seems that high level vegan runners avoid black tea for this reason.

Does anyone have more info on illnesses caused by Veganism.
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Yes you need heme-iron, which is not availble in plant sources. Elemental iron and suppliments are not bio-available and could cause poisoning. Heme-iron in meat is in a form we can readily use.
 
Black_Unicorn said:
I have a vegan friend who is an older lady, she is currently suffering reduced lung function and her doctors can't figure out why.

I can find some studies that show the iron from vegetable is less bioavailable which has shown that in conjunction with drinking black tea can significantly reduce lung function. It seems that high level vegan runners avoid black tea for this reason.

Does anyone have more info on illnesses caused by Veganism.
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Go to nutritionfacts.org
If she actually wants to absorb iron...tell her to eat dark leafy greens and have something acidic with it at the same time like a vinegar or citrus.
She should immediately take iron supplements....liquid is the best.
I have a meathead friend.....she eats corpses every day.....she still has low iron needs supplements.
 
ZTHorse said:
Yes you need heme-iron, which is not availble in plant sources. Elemental iron and suppliments are not bio-available and could cause poisoning. Heme-iron in meat is in a form we can readily use.
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Heme iron is actually toxic for the human body.....avoid it like the plague!!!
 
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