To compare it to rape or murder though is laughable by any degree you try and look at it
Your argument is not even an argument. Calling it "laughable" does not prove you are right or that I'm wrong.
It is a new thing that humans are eating so much meat with their diet, in the past this was not the case. You can't know the future. We know for a fact that meat consumption is unethical and harmful to the environment, in the future, people may care more about being ethical and they may outlaw meat consumption.
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Bull. Fucking. Shit. You forget I have a farm, a place where ignorant people drop their unwanted animals. About 1 in 20 cats survive longer than a week. None have ever survived a full year.
You want to know where my attitude comes from? Guess who has to "dispose" of all those unwanted animals. Tell me again how the SPCA's speutering is working out.
@caikgoch
I didn't said anything non-factual. Nor you provided any factual evidence to contradict my claims or to support your claims. You are doing an anecdotal fallacy. Just because in your area there are not enough resources or many predators for a cat population to thrive in the wild, it does not mean the same is true for other places. There are other places that have wild populations of cats living.
I'm sure you know that you can't grab any wild animal and expert them to live well in any place. You can't grab a pack of wolves and expert them to live in the wild in the middle of the ocean, they would die, same way if you put cats in a place where they are not fit for living. Obviously you would leave cats to live in the wild in places where they can live in the wild, not in places where THEY CAN NOT LIVE.
Speutering ←What is speutering?
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Extinction of hundreds of species? Can you please point out a few species?
I am not a cat lover but I don't hate them either and your statement seems misleading.
@knotinterested
Quote: Cats have contributed to the
extinction of 63
species of birds, mammals, and reptiles in the wild and continue to adversely impact a wide variety of other
species, including those at risk of
extinction such as Piping Plover. Source:
https://abcbirds.org/program/cats-indoors/cats-and-birds/
IMO, cats have gotten more species than those extinct. We humans don't even know every species that exist. Cats could have easily destroyed species before humans had time to discover them. Also, several others species are on the brink of extinction because of cats.
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Sight... you are so slow...
My claim: Killing animals without a valid reason is murder. (You disagree with this and proposed a counter argument thus a debate started)
Your rebuttal to my claim: Killing animals is not murder because the law say so.
My rebuttal to your claim: The law is not always right. Do you have proof that what the law says about killing animals is not murder is true?
Your rebuttal: ?Red Herring Fallacy. ?
At this point you lost the debate, instead of providing evidence that what the law says is true or using some other valid rebuttal, you avoided this path and instead focused on using red herring fallacies. You lost the debate.
Sigh... you don't even know what a debate is...
Debate: a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.
The topic was: killing animals wichut a valid reason is murder. The public meting is this public forum. Me and you doing rebuttals is the formal discussion. You making opposing arguments against my arguments and me doing the same is part of the debater. The moment you started using fallacies as rebuttals and refused to give any valid rebuttals, that is when you lost the debate. You calling it checkmate despite you being the one that lost the debate, it shows a lot about your non-rational way of thinking. In the end, we where having a debate.
Until you admit you were wrong to call humans who eat meat "murderers," there is no debate.
Straw man fallacy. I do not call them murderers unless they actively murder animals with their own hands. I call meat eaters that don't murder animals with their own hands accomplices to murder.
If I get proven wrong with facts I will admit to be wrong. But as shown by you in our prior debate, you only have fallacies as rebuttals and stick to using fallacies when you are losing the debate. And here you are, still avoiding the debate. You instead of making this reply, you could have tried to make a rational rebuttal and continue the debate. But nope.
When ever you are ready, I will continue the debate if you chose to do so. So, show me factual proof that the law is not wrong about it stating that animal killing is not murder. If you can't prove that, then the law is nothing but a circular argument, a circular argument proves nothing, is a form of begging the question fallacy.