Do you think zoo will ever be accepted?

Wasbitchpolly said:
Jesus some jumped up kid has got the pulse of the community , your a clueless kid
we don’t want it brought to anyone’s attention because unlike you we practice zoo and get on with it quietly without any trouble till some idiots who aren’t zoos decide we need help......well no thanks
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Thats how YOU feel... and I can respect that, but how can you be so sure that everyone else feels the same?
 
Centar said:
Morale is low because people like saddlebum here make it low...
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Cant face the truth? Sometimes truth isnt what we want to hear; doesnt make it less true. My morale is fine....Stay out of my back yard, Ill stay out of yours....but put me or mine at risk and you'll get your battle.
 
Centar said:
How!? By saying that a cartoon helped me notice that zoo exists? That put you all at risk!? You're pushing an agenda and an ideal that you've created. You're diluted. Have fun trying to laugh at me from the corner
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Thats how you got the idea you might be a beasty? You didnt have a clue til the Cartoons showed you the path? And Im "diluted".....well, I've been wet in the past....you should get yourself a dictionary, kid....it can only help your credibility.
In the interest of Bandwidth, the last word is yours. Choose wisely
 
Centar said:
Thats how YOU feel... and I can respect that, but how can you be so sure that everyone else feels the same?
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I’ve been on zoo forums for many years and seen the “messiahs” come and go ,usually with their tail between their legs
and in a wonderful non existent world zoo is accepted but we are a realistic bunch who know it won’t happen especially with your happy thoughts and homer simpson
 
Wasbitchpolly said:
I’ve been on zoo forums for many years and seen the “messiahs” come and go ,usually with their tail between their legs
and in a wonderful non existent world zoo is accepted but we are a realistic bunch who know it won’t happen especially with your happy thoughts and homer simpson
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Well written, but half baked, you say its realism but youve given no facts to prove. Fact is, its easier to give up and say itll never happen than it is to hold onto hope. What you say hasnt been decided yet. What you call realism is a bandage placed over a festering wound that was left when the reality of the difficulty of the endeavor hit you. Thats where you and I are different, you and I both speak on opposite sides of the same realism. The difference being that I haven't given up hope yet. Im not looking to lead, i dont want to be a missiah. I just want to be one of the people who believed in the dream if it ever is realized.
 
You don't "know" you speculate... nobody knows. Which is the hardest realism to come to terms with
 
Centar said:
That may be fine for you but you can't speak for others. you CAN however, fight for them. The way I see it, it's just another form of misunderstood love. Something beautiful and worth fighting for. I'm not saying you need me to fight for it. I'm telling you that I WANT to fight for it. Acceptance may not be necessary to you, but try to tell that to those of us who have been forcibly seperated from our animals and accused of abuse to the people we loved, nevermind the incarceration and fines associated. All for a person who wanted to "Love Illegally."
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Believe me, I do get where you're coming from in all of this. But "fighting for zoo rights" is problematic in my opinion. For most people mentioning that "I like to have sex with", being equal to "animals" is enough to trigger most non-zoos fight or flight instincts. Any amount of rational thought and logic is instantly terminated as soon as those words slip out of your mouth, or anything that alludes to it. We can try to prove to the outside world that not all sex with animals is necessarily rape and that if it's done properly the animal can enjoy it. That zoo love is indeed a valid form of love.

One can preach this sunrise until sunset. It doesn't stop that fact that most non-zoo people liken zoophilia and bestiality to a mental illness and that our love is actually "rape" no matter how much evidence says otherwise. Fighting for zoo rights is fighting an uphill battle of ignorance and bias. There is a reason that the older members of the zoo community are strictly against people advocating for zoo rights on their behalf. They've lived through the history. The more we try to preach our love to the outside world, the more they become aware that we exist in the first place, and in turn harsher and stricter laws are passed against us. They've seen this time and time again.

The only thing I believe we can hope for is the decriminalization of bestiality within say, maybe 100 years, but probably more. The western world is slowly but surely loosing it's deep rooted Judeo-Christian values as time progresses. More and more universities are starting to do research into the morality, the logic, and the motives behind the people that practice bestiality. In time, zoos might become more understood on an academic level. As more and more publications explaining the psychology, the motives, and the morality of zoophilia and bestiality are actually published, the more we might gain a little bit of tolerance. Not acceptance, but a shed of tolerance from those that are not like us.

But this isn't something that's going to happen overnight. This isn't something that is going to be assisted by going onto Twitter and preaching for the acceptance of zoos. All this accomplishes is creating a "zoo positivity" echo chamber. The only thing that will help us is scientific and psychological studies. Even with this, there will always be the naysayers trying to push us back down to square one. There's a good possibility that the naysayers will always outnumber those that are zoos or people educated enough to understand it and tolerate it. Most of the masses are uneducated, and most of the masses are ignorant. It's a sad fact of life.
 
FloofyNewfie said:
Believe me, I do get where you're coming from in all of this. But "fighting for zoo rights" is problematic in my opinion. For most people mentioning that "I like to have sex with", being equal to "animals" is enough to trigger most non-zoos fight or flight instincts. Any amount of rational thought and logic is instantly terminated as soon as those words slip out of your mouth, or anything that alludes to it. We can try to prove to the outside world that not all sex with animals is necessarily rape and that if it's done properly the animal can enjoy it. That zoo love is indeed a valid form of love.

One can preach this sunrise until sunset. It doesn't stop that fact that most non-zoo people liken zoophilia and bestiality to a mental illness and that our love is actually "rape" no matter how much evidence says otherwise. We're fighting an uphill battle of ignorance and bias. There is a reason that the older members of the zoo community are strictly against people advocating for zoo rights on their behalf. They've lived through the history. The more we try to preach our love to the outside world, the more they become aware that we exist in the first place, and in turn harsher and stricter laws are passed against us. They've seen this time and time again.

The only thing I believe we can hope for is the decriminalization of bestiality within say, maybe 100 years, but probably more. The western world is slowly but surely loosing it's deep rooted Judeo-Christian values as time progresses. More and more universities are starting to do research into the morality, the logic, and the motives behind the people that practice bestiality. In time, zoos might become more understood on an academic level. As more and more publications explaining the psychology, the motives, and the morality of zoophilia and bestiality is published, the more we might gain a little bit of tolerance. Not acceptance, but a shed of tolerance from those that are not like us.

But this isn't something that's going to happen overnight. This isn't something that is going to be assisted by going onto Twitter and preaching for the acceptance of zoos. All this accomplishes is creating a "zoo positivity" echo chamber. The only thing that will help us is scientific and psychological studies. Even with this, there will always be the naysayers pushing us back down to square one. There's a good possibility that the naysayers will always outnumber those that are zoos or people educated enough to understand it and tolerate it. Most of the masses are uneducated, and most of the masses are ignorant. It's a sad fact of life.
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I agree completely, thats the funniest part. Which is precisely why my plan was to do nothing and hope for further exposure. These kindve issues are best handled covertly and quietly, subliminally. Preaching to the masses gets you attention but not often is it ever GOOD. Thats why I value bits of exposure generated by unlikely constructs I.E. Cartoons, where the subject is unknowingly accepted as normality by large groups of the non-expecting audience. Sure it's not a real case being exposed and it shouldnt be taken as seriously as one but it plays a part in the covert exposure efforts. These are the ways we can fight... by supporting these outlets of exposure.
 
I really don't know where people got that I was going to expose the community to the masses. But that was never my intention
 
We can explain it unlit we are blue in the face. These zoo right fighters will never understand that in the eyes of non zoos, we don't have a case when it comes to zoo love.

I said this before, but these pro zoo echo chamber folks either doesnt own a critter or does own a critter but really don't care as to what will happen to that said critter if they were ever outted as a zoo.
 
I've mentioned this on other parts of the forum before, but I seriously doubt that zoophilia will be socially accepted or legalized within our lifetimes. In my eyes, the largest hurdle Zoophilia has to cover is the legal hurdle, since laws tend to dictate our moral leanings. In a legal sense, it's virtually impossible to prove that sex with a non-human partner is consensual. Of course, consensual interspecies sex DOES exist, but there's no real way to prove that in a court of law, especially with the power difference between a pet and their owner. On top of that, most species that humans would consider having sex with could be legally argued to be "not intelligent enough" to make that decision. Current laws on bestiality are meant to prevent animal abuse, which is something I think everyone can understand. Unfortunately, it also outlaws positive sexually-active relationships with animals, since the laws have no way of differentiating the two.

I think that changing individual peoples' minds is fairly trivial by-comparison. I had my mind changed by having several friends come out as zoophiles to me, which inspired me to join this forum to support them. My justifications for zoophilia started out as me making excuses for my friends' sexual leanings, and eventually took on a life of its own when I looked more into the psychology of the animals involved. At the same time, even though I had my own mind changed through my friends trusting me enough to "come out" to me, I strongly discourage others from doing the same. In order to change minds, a person's mind has to be open to change. If someone asks me about the topic, I state how I actually feel about it, but phrase my ideas more as suggestions. I phase it as more a philosophical quandary than a social topic I have a genuine personal curiosity in. I don't go out of my way to bring it up, but if it gets discussed, I tell people that I feel like it can be justified in the right situations. Most of the time my comments just get brushed off for the legal reasons I brought up above: differences in power/intelligence, inability to communicate consent, etc. But, even then, my comments have likely gotten through to the discussion partner and forced them to re-evaluate their viewpoints in some capacity. Come across enough people, and one person might change their mind. For now, I think that's the best we can do.
 
K9-sammy said:
Personally I dont think it will be but wasnt it acceptable years ago?
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No it wasn't, but without the internet people didn't see news stories about it constantly.

It was one of those "we never made it illegal" things, then as people got more bold and extreme with it, and the public eye was on us, they really started hammering the legality. Take Washington state for example, it was legal for the longest time until some dude died getting fucked to death by a horse, so they quickly enacted legislation to make it illegal.
 
I have situations where I made zoo jokes abd every laughed, and I even insenuated I like beastiality porn no one hated me. Had a best friend and jerked off to beastiality porn together in our young teens. Had an ex joking tried to let her female hump me after sex. i was too nervous to try anything.
 
I don't think it will ever be accepted. While I can see the points made about some of the effects of forcing a dog and potentially hurting them, I think at least that most people don't hurt an animal when having sex. I think that it is kind of stupid that it is illegal and I think it is just a bunch of people forcing people to live by the rules they think should be in play. I would love to live in a community that was accepting of it. A big 3000-acre farm with other like-minded people.
 
petite-pony said:
Never.

We can't even get over homosexuality or the fuckin' color of people's skin, so I doubt it will ever get to the point something like zoo will be accepted by mainstream society.
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OMG you are right. How can we accept something that is as divergent as zoo when we still have issues with what people look like, or paying a woman the same as a man for the same job.

plus there is a huge segment of the population that is worried about what everyone else is doing and if it is right or not. Why can’t we all be more on the live and let live end of the spectrum. If no one is getting hurt, maybe it is ok.
 
AriesAngyl said:
OMG you are right. How can we accept something that is as divergent as zoo when we still have issues with what people look like, or paying a woman the same as a man for the same job.

plus there is a huge segment of the population that is worried about what everyone else is doing and if it is right or not. Why can’t we all be more on the live and let live end of the spectrum. If no one is getting hurt, maybe it is ok.
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and this
 
petite-pony said:
Never.

We can't even get over homosexuality or the fuckin' color of people's skin, so I doubt it will ever get to the point something like zoo will be accepted by mainstream society.
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And especially this. Someone wanted facts to back up the "Negative" Opinion. Here they are. Humanity has a dozen more pressing problems than where you stick your peepee or what you stick in it. Race, Reproductive freedoms, resolving 2nd Amendment issues so murder is not a way of life, Equal Rights for Women, Civil Rights for all of us but especially for those of Black ancestry, wars here and there, and some others.
Beware the power of ignorance. If you messianics push the Mundanes into doing anything regarding this little hobby, their solution MAY be more final than you'd wish, and will be more, not less restrictive.
 
Pillar said:
WTF? Someone jumped someone else because their date was a different color? Are you living in the Midwest?
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Pillar....I dont know how old you are, but in the GENERAL vicinity of where you live, not that long ago, attacks like that would have been a normal and regular occurrence. Whether it happened in the midwest back then, I cannot say....but I CAN speak for the mid atlantic area over the last 55 years.White girls did NOT date Black boys, White boys didnt date Black girls....interracial couples all over the seaboard were nervous unless on a military base. At least in that time, on a Base or Post, it was not a big issue. Even today, almost 60 years after Loving v Virginia, the Delmarva area and south is still not a good place for a salt and pepper couple on a weekend night. Telling someone who they can be with is stupid, it's wrong, and it's rampant. And until we find our way through that mire, we will not resolve the beasty problem with the mundane world.
 
Wasbitchpolly said:
I’ve been on zoo forums for many years and seen the “messiahs” come and go ,usually with their tail between their legs
and in a wonderful non existent world zoo is accepted but we are a realistic bunch who know it won’t happen especially with your happy thoughts and homer simpson
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Homer is the MESSIAH!
 
In our life time? I doubt it. :/ But maybe if the zoo community grows even larger over a long long period of time and there's a large increase of more people starting to slowly and openly admit zoo-based attractions or relationships, perhaps there could be enough of a cultural change/shift for it to start being accepted.
 
aTabooMother said:
I really don't see it. Not for as long as we have religion. But I don't mind it. I love that it's taboo and socially wrong, it just makes it so much hotter and overwhelming
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There once were ancient religions that may have accepted it, like with those fertility rights in ancient Egypt where it was once believed that women fucking dogs would help them bear children, if my memory is correct. But nowadays? Most religions scoff at it. I do believe there may be one or two that aren't either for or against it, but I'm not totally sure.
 
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