Well, that is true that we need non zoo allies. That's why I'm so hopeful for LGBT(Z), this is the source of both non zoo allies, as well as the movement to rally behind that we need. The push-back you're seeing with the people that want to 'get the dogfuckers out of here', is to be expected and something that we have fight back against, those people are the people who need convincing and are our main obstacle at this stage, they aren't the people who are giving me hope. We need to either show those people the errors in their thinking process in the case of non zoos trying to 'get rid of the dogfuckers', and in the case of zoos who are getting scared into that stance, we need to be supporting them and giving them the backup they need to have the balls to not backpedal on what they know is right. Just like the gays did.
Well, I won't be the ones convincing them. My philosophy and world view aren't compatible with theirs and they don't take it well. I go for the libertarians like myself.
Maybe when we put all the gains together it will be enough, maybe not; I'm surprised no one has started shouting about "idiots self-outing" but I wouldn't risk outing for it because aside from friends and family I don't think it would really help convince anyone.
We need to recreate the conditions that allowed for homosexuals to have success, and that means hard work and not getting scared off by the opposition, that's what they did, and that's what we'll do.
This is an unlikely reference for you or anyone else to get, but there is a sci-fi series called "foundation" by Issac Asimov. Please don't say "I've seen that" I'm talking about the books, I couldn't make it past the second episode of that so called adaptation.
Anyway it centers around the fictional statistical science of psycho-history. Though it is fiction I have always thought the way Asimov treated the subject was on point. The larger the time scales and the greater the population the more accurate you could be, trying to bring about specific cultural events would be an enormously complex calculation.
Back in the real world when I see someone say something like what you said I think "we're missing the psychohistory to do that", and what I mean by that is the factors that led to the homosexual success are so complex and their causes so complex that to even presume to know what exactly were the key conditions that need to be recreated isn't really possible.
Here is another example, in the Meiji restoration of Japan they knew that western culture "worked" it made people rich and powerful. They didn't take the time or thought to figure out what part of western culture was important, they just imported the whole thing. If westerners wore shoes in the house they might have to as well!
It's easy to say in retrospect that building trains (for instance) gave them what they were looking for but top hats were irrelevant, but it wasn't obvious then.
We can try, but we should never delude ourselves into thinking we can make it happen no matter what. We need to read the signs of the times and think things through carefully. We're not in a rational environment (culturally) which means we're in a very unpredictable environment.
As a side note, I don't agree that there are that few zoos in the world. We might not be a big subset of the population, or even as big as homosexuals for instance, but I'd hazard a guess that the numbers are not as low as they are commonly thought to be. Most of the studies that came up with those numbers were either small, doing a lot of extrapolation to guess at a number, and in my personal opinion probably biased against us. Remember, a tactic used by many homophobic societies, Chechen society is a good modern day example, is to simply deny the existence of homosexuals outright or severely under report their numbers. In Chechnya for instance, their leader claims that there are "No homosexuals in Chechnya.", a statement which is obviously false. I think that something of the same order is happening to us zoos, and they've just managed to convince us too.
That is very possible. There are certainly enormous statistical problems in trying to estimate a minority which is highly motivated not to report, where potentially a large number of them are in denial.
Like homosexuality it's a gradient. When homosexuality was taboo only the 100% no other option homosexuals considered themselves homosexual. Now if you're 95% heterosexual you say you're bi because it's cool.
My personal belief is that if zoosexuality got little parades in high-school like homosexuality gets now, you would have to search a long time for a furry who didn't proudly proclaim their zooness.
E6 actually has less drama as far as furry sites go.
FagAffinity is run by retarded fat fuck extraordinaire Dragoneer and his bikelock-wielding commie lackeys who ban people for off-site infractions.
Pedobunny needs no further explaination.
SlowFurry is dead and/or full of elitist douchebag writefags, probably hasn't seen a painting submission in years.
Nobody cares about Weasyl, that's just people's backup gallery in case they get yeeted.
And I have accounts on all of those because I hate myself
Ok that was hilarious, but I'm going to out myself here a bit but there are some good stories on these sites. I sometimes fear that they need to be rescued off there. I had a bad experience with herpy.net disappearing without warning.
, not the new racially segregated flag, that thing's an abomination, also a visual metaphor for what's happening to us (gays started this and now are in a pincer movement by the new minority coalitions of the wokists)
