How long do you think that it will take before zoosexaulity starts to become as accepted as other sexualities?
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johnnycodswallop
Tourist
I think you hit the nail on the head. Aside from that, I think certain cultures will certainly ebb and flow with their views as throughout history. Typically, closer proximity/time spent with animals is one of the key factors in a person being zoo. This means more agrarian societies are going to have higher levels of zoo's. This has been my ted talk on why we should return to agrarian society and reject modernity.
labsareawesome
Citizen of Zooville
The odd thing is that it used to be just another kink. I'm old enough to remember. But society has gotten a lot more tight-assed about it lately, even as society has loosened up about nearly everything else.
johnnycodswallop
Tourist
This is a very interesting topic to me, I have also noticed what you’re talking about. It seems like there used to be a lot more comics about it and general acceptance of women being with dogs at least. Other species (typically livestock) are accepted in many countries today, but primarily with men. Weird how sociology works
amorousdog5
Citizen of Zooville
Thinking that it would take place in less than ten years is absurd. Acceptance for zoosexuality is a long way off in most places. I'd say it will happen eventually, but only if we don't destroy ourselves or the planet first.
labsareawesome
Citizen of Zooville
If Kinsey was anywhere near correct, this happened with a sizeable fraction of young men in rural areas in the 1940's. As for women, I've heard some stories from around the same time that they'd mate with dogs to stay faithful to their husbands. There could've been more of that going on than we knew, because people back then were more likely to keep their sex lives behind closed doors.
slackjawed_pitoxer
Lurker
I dont think it will ever be acceptable because animals cant verbally consent and currently that's the only accepted way in the eyes of the law.
amorousdog5
Citizen of Zooville
You're right. Laws never change.
slackjawed_pitoxer
Lurker
I mean they can change yes but there is a big difference between say the civil rights movement and well this.
Yeah its true at one point it was considered taboo for say African Americans to vote and be 1st class citizens. Obviously we changed our views and something similar is happening with the LGBT movement.
But that is between consenting adults and no one cares about that. No one will believe you're in love with your dog except for other zoophiles and we are a nitch community I would imagine lol.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Why? Explain to me why I should give a shit if zoo is EVER accepted?
(Hint: The fact that I fuck/get fucked by animals is nobody's business but mine, and doesn't get waved around like some kind of flag that reads "I iz a speshul snoflayk!" - or put another way, I don't need anybody else to agree that fucking animals is OK to continue on with my life. Why do you (generic "you")?)
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Where it ought to be kept in most cases. And yes, that applies whether you're straight, gay, queer, or any other "flavor-that's-popular-this-week", including animal fucker/fuckee. Hard to have any problems with your sexuality if you follow the Vegas rule:
What goes on in the bedroom/barn/kennel STAYS in the bedroom/barn/kennel.
HorseSoul
Zooville Settler
You are right with the sex is a intimate part of a person.
People shouldn't question about who do you have sex with?
In your case, you don't care about be accepted or not.
But there are people, who need to be accepted for family, friends... for example:
To justify the typical question of why you don't have a girlfriend.
They automatically think you're gay for not having it. But it is not true.
Each people have their reasons
Bloodwolf
Dumpster Diver
That’s really no one’s business but their own. I went though that myself and the answer is always the same. Not interested
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Horseshit!
NOBODY needs their sex life to be "accepted". Some may *WANT* it to be, but ABSOLUTELY NOBODY *NEEDS* it to be, and nobody is under any obligation to accept jack shit.
If somebody thinks you need to have a girlfriend, that's *THEIR* issue to deal with, not yours. If they think you're gay because you don't, SO FUCKING WHAT??? Again, that's THEIR problem to deal with, not yours. If *YOU* think you need to explain/defend yourself, there's definitely a problem - and it would be a *YOU* problem. Grow a spine and quit defining your existence by the "acceptance" of others.
Unfortunately the bottom line is that the very same people... family, friends, coworkers, priests, rabbis, Jake from State Farm, etc. are going to, in the vast majority of cases, be the very same people that find bestiality not only revolting, but also the same people that wish to keep it illegal. I've been around long enough to have seen zoos open their mouth about zoophilia and bestiality to people they know closely, and have in turn utterly fucked over their life as they had known it. You have to look at this not from an inward perspective, but an outward one. The majority of people absolutely despise us. Having sex with non-human animals is not a normal thing to do, and for the vast majority of cases (excluding small fringe communities such as in small pockets of Brazil) the very act of bestiality is not accepted by society as something that's... well... acceptable to do in the slightest.
ADreamOfLiberty
ZooVille Philanthropist
The only relevant difference is that this hasn't succeeded and that did.
This is between consenting adults too.
It's not love that needs to be proven but lack of harm.
amorousdog5
Citizen of Zooville
When people don't accept you, they have a way of making it your problem. Just sayin it might be nice not to have that thought in the back of my head that if my secret is ever exposed, my animals will be taken from me and I'll be thrown in jail.
Indeed I agree, I do actually see the benefits as well. If you get caught you wouldn't have to worry about getting thrown in jail, having your animals taken from you, and you could let your vet know that you're a sexual couple so that if something arises and you're in a compromised position you don't have to worry about getting exposed... those are all valid reasons to want legal protection.
But it wouldn't stop the social stigma, nor would it stop people making you into a pariah if caught, nor would it stop your friends and family from potentially abandoning you if they found out, nor would it stop someone from trying to dox your information no matter how legal it is. But the point is moot. Legalization or even decriminalization pretty much have the same odds as a snowball in hell. *We* know that animals can and do have the capability to consent to and enjoy sex. But we're up again a 10,000 foot wall of human ignorance, and unfortunately human ignorance in this particular matter will likely never be corrected.
Bloodwolf
Dumpster Diver
Ain’t that the truth? Considering how that situation can go for many of us it can be completely uprooting or life ending.
ADreamOfLiberty
ZooVille Philanthropist
No it wouldn't, but the remedy for those things starts at decriminalization just as it did for homosexual sex, interracial marriage, and usury (oh I mean credit cards).
Of course laws don't change without significant support, but overcoming the remaining 60% of sheeple tends to be a matter of no more than a generation when the truth can be talked of in the open.
It's not moot when there are people constantly trying to conflate the entirely justified demand/need for decriminalization to the unjustified demand/need for parades.
Bloodwolf
Dumpster Diver
You either got your head so far in the clouds you can’t see the ground, or you have invested way too much money into the idea. Possibly both
TropicalCritter
Tourist
Tomorrow on Netflix. But it will only be accepted with black animals.
Bloodwolf
Dumpster Diver
Netflix would be the next bud light if that shit were to go down.
ADreamOfLiberty
ZooVille Philanthropist
You've shown time and again you haven't the faintest idea what I'm saying and if you did you wouldn't know how to criticize it. Go play with the other dolts I'm done pretending to give a shit.
TropicalCritter
Tourist
We will get Groenendaels because Swiss Shepherds is racism. ?
Bloodwolf
Dumpster Diver
Next to no one knows what you’re saying half the time anyway. Not one of your arguments on the idea are anything more than wishful thinking. Again, until I see someone like you or ZT on something like TED talking over the issue no one is holding their breath.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Only if you're pathetic enough to allow them to do so.
Yeah, it'd be nice, but a few moments of rational consideration will give you the only reasonable conclusion: It ain't happening anytime soon. After the fuckery that the (loudmouthed members of) the alphabet-soup brigade fruitcakes have spread far and wide, I'm expecting that things are on the verge of getting *MUCH* worse for all "non-vanilla" sexualities thanks to their antics. I have little doubt that will spill over onto zoos/beasties, as well. Unlike the wishful thinkers who have hope for anything to improve for us, I'm prepared for it - Nobody IRL (that I'm aware of, anyway) has any inkling that I prefer four-leggers as sexual partners, and I intend for that to remain true.
HugDoggy
Citizen of Zooville
I don't want parades, I don't need anyone knowing what I do sexually with my lovers or whom those lovers are. The only thing I care about in all this is that should anyone ever find out that my partner is not human that nothing bad happens to them.
I have no doubt they would be emotionally distressed just as much as myself if they were forcibly taken from our home, most likely castrated and there is the possibility that once they are in the system that they might get put down.
When you love someone you should care what happens to them just as much as yourself. If my family never knows I'm a zoo, or I end up in jail, or whatever... That is still preferable to any harm coming to my love, at least I know I live in a society as illogical and twisted as to worry about who is rubbing what against or in whom. My animals don't have any concept of the risks we are taking if someone drives in the front gate unexpectedly while we are enjoying time together. I don't take stupid risks like doing things in an open paddock in the middle of the day. But while it is against the law there is always a risk that is just the world we live in. That fact alone can be draining on the human involved. But it is what it is.
So would I like change? Yes.
Am I expecting change? No.
The vast majority of people have little to do with animals in their day to day lives these days, which I think is part of the problem. So maybe we need to get more engaged with animals generally before we worry about changing their thinking on an animal's mutual sexual desires towards the human in their life.
I have no doubt they would be emotionally distressed just as much as myself if they were forcibly taken from our home, most likely castrated and there is the possibility that once they are in the system that they might get put down.
When you love someone you should care what happens to them just as much as yourself. If my family never knows I'm a zoo, or I end up in jail, or whatever... That is still preferable to any harm coming to my love, at least I know I live in a society as illogical and twisted as to worry about who is rubbing what against or in whom. My animals don't have any concept of the risks we are taking if someone drives in the front gate unexpectedly while we are enjoying time together. I don't take stupid risks like doing things in an open paddock in the middle of the day. But while it is against the law there is always a risk that is just the world we live in. That fact alone can be draining on the human involved. But it is what it is.
So would I like change? Yes.
Am I expecting change? No.
The vast majority of people have little to do with animals in their day to day lives these days, which I think is part of the problem. So maybe we need to get more engaged with animals generally before we worry about changing their thinking on an animal's mutual sexual desires towards the human in their life.