Dog sperm as a way to prevent unwanted pregnancy in women.
- Thread starter ZooAnim
- Start date
Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
No argument here.
My only point is that I don't believe we are a true Apex. Every other Apex evolved to be such in their physical incarnation and are completely self sufficient.
Man essentially puts on an Apex suit using technology, take away the suit or the possibility of one and we become essentially low hanging fruit ready to be picked.
A man with a gun is fucking dangerous, a man without a gun is a snack.
LOL yes, go swimming in the ocean and the claim of top of the food chain wears a bit thin, LOL
HugDoggy
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I'm sorry you considered it sarcastic and rude, the way I read your own words sounded very much like you were suggesting using dog sperm as a safer contraceptive with fewer side effects than the current contraceptive pill. So I merely was pointing out the real world issues with turning such an idea into reality in a legitimate way. That was tested and proven to work, so could actually be relied upon to work for women.
From that I merely pointed out the process that would need to be gone through to get to that point and how difficult a journey it would be. And that nobody who is serious about birth control zoo or not should be rolling the dice with using another species semen to try and short circuit human conception processes.
As for the swallowing part, that was nothing more than word play, it was not a serious statement.
However you've missed the point a lot of people have been making to you. A sperm from another species is not going to get past the combined ZP3 and ZP2 locking mechanism to even have the chance to do anything useful to damage the human egg. Or cause a false pregnancy as you were putting it. That discussion or theorising is pretty much a dead end without genetic manipulation to force the scenario.
Which is why I stated I had wasted enough of my time on the thread as you seemed to be living in a dream trying to make an idea possible even though so many of us were telling you pretty much the same thing, it was not a thing that could happen. But peace dude.
HugDoggy
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
O Q
Zooville Settler
I see those all the time.
SxaBeast
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Sometimes the barrier is external, eg geography.Yes. You are both correct here. But both examples are within the same species , I mentioned horses and donkeys, but not cows and buffalo.
Canis and bovinus.
I'm pretty sure too you can add Yaks and Water Buffalo and Oxen to ranks that can be cross-bred with cows as well. It would most likely take lab conditions due to size differences, but you could also add Chihuahua and Wolf to the list of animals in the cross-breeding possibles as well. For that matter, Teacup Poodles
To piggyback off of @SxaBeast linked material, I type hybrid biology into the search bar and got the following page.
Hybrid (biology) - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
And below, from the above link, I lifted via cut and paste the entire 2nd paragraph from that page.
Species are reproductively isolated by strong barriers to hybridisation, which include genetic and morphological differences, differing times of fertility, mating behaviors and cues, and physiological rejection of sperm cells or the developing embryo. Some act before fertilization and others after it. Similar barriers exist in plants, with differences in flowering times, pollen vectors, inhibition of pollen tube growth, somatoplastic sterility, cytoplasmic-genic male sterility and the structure of the chromosomes. A few animal species and many plant species, however, are the result of hybrid speciation, including important crop plants such as wheat, where the number of chromosomes has been doubled.
In my cut and paste, the bolding is NOT mine, but represents Hot Links from that page to those specific topics.
There is also plenty of circumstantial and recently, physical evidence of Modern Human and Neanderthal hybridization/cross-breeding.
Further, if you follow such information, you may have seen speculation in recent years after the discovery of fully intact Mammoth remains in Siberia of reviving the Mammoth species. Though if I remember correctly, the talk wasn't primarily of hybridizing but of straight up geneticly replacing the DNA in an elephant egg with Mammoth DNA and using an Elephant cow to bring the revived Mammoth baby to term. I didn't dig down into the technology of that but that's the general gist of it.
HugDoggy
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I wouldn't mind a big floofy tail and pointy soft ears but they were all out of stock when I was getting made.
SxaBeast
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Cow and buff arent same species or even genus.Yes. You are both correct here. But both examples are within the same species , I mentioned horses and donkeys, but not cows and buffalo.
Canis and bovinus.
I'm pretty sure too you can add Yaks and Water Buffalo and Oxen to ranks that can be cross-bred with cows as well. It would most likely take lab conditions due to size differences, but you could also add Chihuahua and Wolf to the list of animals in the cross-breeding possibles as well. For that matter, Teacup Poodles
To piggyback off of @SxaBeast linked material, I type hybrid biology into the search bar and got the following page.
Hybrid (biology) - Wikipedia
And below, from the above link, I lifted via cut and paste the entire 2nd paragraph from that page.
Species are reproductively isolated by strong barriers to hybridisation, which include genetic and morphological differences, differing times of fertility, mating behaviors and cues, and physiological rejection of sperm cells or the developing embryo. Some act before fertilization and others after it. Similar barriers exist in plants, with differences in flowering times, pollen vectors, inhibition of pollen tube growth, somatoplastic sterility, cytoplasmic-genic male sterility and the structure of the chromosomes. A few animal species and many plant species, however, are the result of hybrid speciation, including important crop plants such as wheat, where the number of chromosomes has been doubled.
In my cut and paste, the bolding is NOT mine, but represents Hot Links from that page to those specific topics.
There is also plenty of circumstantial and recently, physical evidence of Modern Human and Neanderthal hybridization/cross-breeding.
Further, if you follow such information, you may have seen speculation in recent years after the discovery of fully intact Mammoth remains in Siberia of reviving the Mammoth species. Though if I remember correctly, the talk wasn't primarily of hybridizing but of straight up geneticly replacing the DNA in an elephant egg with Mammoth DNA and using an Elephant cow to bring the revived Mammoth baby to term. I didn't dig down into the technology of that but that's the general gist of it.
SxaBeast
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
HugDoggy
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I'm sure I've seen a movie about that, an alien species want the earth so they just introduce human pesticide to clear out the pesky hairless apes before they move in.
many of you didnt say the same thing.... some here just cursed the OP and everyone else --- thats not explanation
when i tried to discuss -- something intellegent humans do --- the issue I got also stupid answer except from allyfritz and now tammca which by the way both said non human sperm can be somewhat of a contraceptive due to it flooding the vagina and blocking the human sperm
and in my question to you i asked specific things to really hear your answer because you seemed atleast at the first massage someone to be able to have back and forth
then we got about the egg barrier which ally explained there ZP's are not suitable from a dog -- fine, then i went to the AI chat and borught the list of the most similar animals in condition which all the contraceptive pills women take are based on expriements on them so yes it sounds interesting that if you take medicine based on them then does thier sperm passes the egg barier --- this for example is not something that was answered nor discussed previosuly totally based on the topic and science nothing "dellusional" about talking if there is a possible animal that can pass the egg barrier if all our medicine is tried on some of them (apes,monkeys, roudents)
Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Yes, that was the original point I made, and why I agreed with what you said. If you don't have that, there is no possibility of any kind of compatibility.
EDIT: Sorry, I misread that response. Same Family and sub Family. Donkeys and horses are different in this same way, I think?
Last edited:
SxaBeast
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
They have different chromosome numbers
Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
They do. Still the same family and sub family though. I'm not entirely sure, but I think Us and Neanderthals also have a differing amount of chromosomes as well. I *think* I read that somewhere but I'd have to look to see if that's true.
That link you shared earlier mentioned a doubling of chromosomes via hybridization but I don't remember exactly what it was relating to.
EDIT: It was the link I posted and it refers to Wheat.
Goattobeloved
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Both in the Equus genus, different species.
Classification is nice, but sort of fluid in that it is sometimes wrong snd needs to be corrected.
If animals related only on family level are able to interbreed. Well, it IS possible, but are likely more closely related than presently attributed.
I wont be surprised if one day they change them to Bos bison...
Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Yes, just looked up the chromosomes. I know they inter-bred, I couldn't remember if the chromosomes were the same number.
They are.......I mixed it up with the fact that most or all other Great Apes have 48>46. That was the difference I was mixing it up with.
Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I agree. Life, in general, is too highly specialized to really allow these types of inconsistencies.
Truth is, it's really little more than a general guide to those of us with less specialized understanding than someone with specialized Genetic education.
In the same way that I understand math, but once we jump to high level physics or Quantum anything, I can only follow the math far enough and close enough to know intuitively that I am missing entire layers of understanding.
allyfitz
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
No. the ZP proteins are still species specific. They are 'similar' enough to be cataloged as ZP1, ZP2, ZP3, etc... but they are not the same cross species. Gene expression differences between species make for differing behaviors between the ZP proteins and how they behave and what they will interact with.
It's kinda comical how the moment I bring up ZP2... you just repeating it like its some magic incantation that gives you argument support. You clearly dont understand microbiology, so stop making comments about things that you don't understand.
Here's some advice...
1) Put your dick down...
2) Spend some time researching what proteins are and what they do for a living organism.
3) Spend some time researching human fertilization
4) Spend some time reading up on research literature on differing traits of ZP Proteins between species...
After you have done that... then you can talk about ZP2.
Last edited:
amorousdog5
Citizen of Zooville
Since covid, I no longer think of this as a likely doomsday scenario. Covid was very contagious, yet to this day the number of total cases is less than 10% of the world population... even with a 100% mortality rate, that wouldn't be enough to cause societal breakdown. Not to mention killing the host reduces the chance for a disease to spread, and you can be damn sure humans would take such a deadly disease way more seriously than even covid.
So in my mind, doomsday by pandemic is out. Doomsday by nuclear war still in play!
did not say anything about wiping out the whole of the human race. but it only takes one artificially if unintended viral strain to possibly kill off a billion people in this age where world travel could spread such even before it's an observed pathogen