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[humananimal]

To my knowledge, this hasn’t been studied. But I’ll give it my best stab!

Many Parasites like Toxocara canis, the canine roundworm, use milk as a transmission method, and are also able to infect humans (though they are very unhappy in us and just wander around to no avail) so I wouldn’t be surprised if transmission was possible. However, at least with Toxocara, the infective stage to humans is the encysted egg, while the infective stage to puppies is the actual larvae. Does this make a difference? I don’t really know, but the best way to prevent it would be to have your dog on good parasite control and medication before engaging in anything, just to be safe.

Wikipedia : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxocara_canis

clip from Wikipedia :

Toxocara canis (T. canis, also known as dog roundworm) is a worldwide-distributed helminthparasite that primarily infects dogs and other canids, but can also infect other animals including humans.[1][2] The name is derived from the Greek word "toxon," meaning bow or quiver, and the Latin word "caro," meaning flesh.[3] T. canis live in the small intestine of the definitive host. This parasite is very common in puppies and somewhat less common in adult dogs.[4] In adult dogs, infection is usually asymptomatic but may be characterized by diarrhea. By contrast, untreated infection with Toxocara canis can be fatal in puppies, causing diarrhea, vomiting, pneumonia, enlarged abdomen, flatulence, poor growth rate, and other complications.[1]

As paratenic hosts, a number of vertebrates, including humans, and some invertebrates can become infected. Humans are infected, like other paratenic hosts, by ingestion of embryonated T. canis eggs.[5]The disease (toxocariasis) caused by migrating T. canis larvae results in two syndromes: visceral larva migrans and ocular larva migrans.[6] Owing to transmission of the infection from the mother to her puppies, preventive anthelmintic treatment of newborn puppies is strongly recommended. Several anthelmintic drugs are effective against adult worms, for example fenbendazole, milbemycin, moxidectin, piperazine, pyrantel, and selamectin.[1]

 

[Deagle113]

Wikipedia : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxocara_canis

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Toxocara canis (T. canis, also known as dog roundworm) is a worldwide-distributed helminthparasite that primarily infects dogs and other canids, but can also infect other animals including humans.[1][2] The name is derived from the Greek word "toxon," meaning bow or quiver, and the Latin word "caro," meaning flesh.[3] T. canis live in the small intestine of the definitive host. This parasite is very common in puppies and somewhat less common in adult dogs.[4] In adult dogs, infection is usually asymptomatic but may be characterized by diarrhea. By contrast, untreated infection with Toxocara canis can be fatal in puppies, causing diarrhea, vomiting, pneumonia, enlarged abdomen, flatulence, poor growth rate, and other complications.[1]

As paratenic hosts, a number of vertebrates, including humans, and some invertebrates can become infected. Humans are infected, like other paratenic hosts, by ingestion of embryonated T. canis eggs.[5]The disease (toxocariasis) caused by migrating T. canis larvae results in two syndromes: visceral larva migrans and ocular larva migrans.[6] Owing to transmission of the infection from the mother to her puppies, preventive anthelmintic treatment of newborn puppies is strongly recommended. Several anthelmintic drugs are effective against adult worms, for example fenbendazole, milbemycin, moxidectin, piperazine, pyrantel, and selamectin.[1]

To re-iterate, the infective part for humans to get visceral/ocular larvae migrans, (which is just the parasites searching around for their appropriate habitat and not finding in, because they are in the wrong species), hits as most common candidates are children and folks who are immunocompromised. The infective stage for them is an embryonated egg—an egg that has been released and developed in the environment to an infective stage.

The form of the parasite released in milk is a larva, which is not the infective form for humans.

 

[Deagle113]

I appreciate that! I didn't know that "ivermectin" could mean different things for different products. How can I know if the active ingredient is the same when doing the kind of drug math that I did?

There’s different formulations and concentrations, but they will all be ivermectin. And then of course you have the horse ones with apple flavoring and other tasty stuff—dogs also like the taste, and this is one of the high risk toxicity situations like I mentioned previously.

If you have time/are able to, can you give me a dosage so I know if I was doing it right?

Nope. In just about every state, prescribing or giving out dosage information is considering practicing veterinary medicine, and is illegal without a valid patient client relationship. Sorry bout that.

For non intact basement membranes—are you trying to clean out their ears? Or figure out whether or not the membrane itself is intact?

 

[DeliciouslyWhoreable]

Howdy zooville!

I work as a mixed animal veterinarian, and am willing to answer any and all animal health questions you may have to the best of my ability. Keep in mind that I’m only one person, and my medical opinion is just that—an opinion, however well informed it may be.

Anything you’re curious about?

Edit: feel free to Dm me if needed!

I'm so happy we have a veterinarian in here. Your expertise and friendship here is valued. Thank you so much.

 

[GAThrawn]

Nope. In just about every state, prescribing or giving out dosage information is considering practicing veterinary medicine, and is illegal without a valid patient client relationship. Sorry bout that.

Also, isn't it illegal to practice veterinary medicine outside the state you're licensed in? Well, I don't think illegal is the right term. More a question of ethics. I don't think you get thrown in jail for doing so, but you do lose your license. So even if you did have a long distance client, you wouldn't be able to help anyway

 

[yeahwhosasking]

Often about 30 minutes after a hand job, my dog starts whining to poop. Seems urgent and uncomfortable. He has an enlarged prostate and has cummed blood a while ago, if that's related. Why does the bowel movement get triggered? Anything I can do to help?

are you trying to clean out their ears? Or figure out whether or not the membrane itself is intact?

Both. I can clean what I can see easily enough but I can't pour ear cleaner deeper without violating the warnings on all the products that say not to use with dogs that have damaged tympanic membranes.

 

[knotonmywatch]

Hi, not sure if that has been asked already but in most states they require you to spay your dogs. Can they force me or could I just ignore the demand?

 

[Deleted member 283175]

Hi, not sure if that has been asked already but in most states they require you to spay your dogs. Can they force me or could I just ignore the demand?

I think you might be a bit confused. I don’t think there is/are any laws in the US that specifically require you to spay/neuter your pets, HOWEVER - should you choose to rescue your pet from a shelter or humane society, virtually all of those facilities will require the pet to be spayed or neutered prior to being released to their new owner. So, should you adopt from a breeder and raise your dog from a puppy, then there is nothing requiring you to spay or neuter your dog.

 

[Deagle113]

I think you might be a bit confused. I don’t think there is/are any laws in the US that specifically require you to spay/neuter your pets, HOWEVER - should you choose to rescue your pet from a shelter or humane society, virtually all of those facilities will require the pet to be spayed or neutered prior to being released to their new owner. So, should you adopt from a breeder and raise your dog from a puppy, then there is nothing requiring you to spay or neuter your dog.

This is exactly correct! And other than less than professional vets bullying you about it, (after which you should swap medical providers) there is no obligation to spay or neuter your pup.

 

[knotonmywatch]

I think you might be a bit confused. I don’t think there is/are any laws in the US that specifically require you to spay/neuter your pets, HOWEVER - should you choose to rescue your pet from a shelter or humane society, virtually all of those facilities will require the pet to be spayed or neutered prior to being released to their new owner. So, should you adopt from a breeder and raise your dog from a puppy, then there is nothing requiring you to spay or neuter your dog.

Ohhhhh that’s it I think!! Thank you sooo much

 

[GAThrawn]

Ohhhhh that’s it I think!! Thank you sooo much

You MIGHT encounter breeders who force you to sign a spay/neuter agreement prior to selling you a puppy, but I don't know how legally binding that is or how they can even check

 

[Austral]

You MIGHT encounter breeders who force you to sign a spay/neuter agreement prior to selling you a puppy, but I don't know how legally binding that is or how they can even check

That's crazy, specially since you pay for that dog.

I have seen that in the case of puppies that are given away for free, some even 'force' you to spay/neuter a 5 or even 4 m.o, which is insane. I don't know what they can do if you don't do it, if they can take you away the dog, or just harass you on social media.

 

[erphy]

That's crazy, specially since you pay for that dog.

I have seen that in the case of puppies that are given away for free, some even 'force' you to spay/neuter a 5 or even 4 m.o, which is insane. I don't know what they can do if you don't do it, if they can take you away the dog, or just harass you on social media.

Can confirm. Pup has such contract, worded as "you do not fully own your dog until you provide spay/neuter evidence no later than 18mos of age" . I doubt they would ever try to take you to court to enforce such contract especially if there is no injury to the fact to them. Goes on to state that any accidental breedings , they are entitled to 80% of the sale of any puppies, etc. It is mostly to give them options to go after people looking to buy breeder dogs for backyard puppy mill use and they find out about it. Without such contract they would have no legal recourse to go after such people.

 

[Deleted member 283175]

Can confirm. Pup has such contract, worded as "you do not fully own your dog until you provide spay/neuter evidence no later than 18mos of age" . I doubt they would ever try to take you to court to enforce such contract especially if there is no injury to the fact to them. Goes on to state that any accidental breedings , they are entitled to 80% of the sale of any puppies, etc. It is mostly to give them options to go after people looking to buy breeder dogs for backyard puppy mill use and they find out about it. Without such contract they would have no legal recourse to go after such people.

That’s alarming. Though, I can’t imagine how on god’s green earth they could ever hope to enforce that. I mean, why don’t they just have a questionnaire for new puppy owners like they do with handguns?

“Do you plan on ever having sexual intercourse with this dog once she is fully grown?” No way! C:

 

[TheKnottedFox]

might be a bit of an odd one for you Deagle113, getting a leonberger within the next year, in your experience, any major things I should watch out for? have of course studied the breed, read up on online materials about it. but you might have seen stuff in the clinic that isn't much talked about.

 

[erphy]

That’s alarming. Though, I can’t imagine how on god’s green earth they could ever hope to enforce that. I mean, why don’t they just have a questionnaire for new puppy owners like they do with handguns?

“Do you plan on ever having sexual intercourse with this dog once she is fully grown?” No way! C:

Only way the breeder can enforce is to file a breech of contract lawsuit and attempt to have the dog confiscated, as the contract stipulates that you do not retain full ownership of the dog until you present proof of spay/neuter. So they will claim that the dog is still theirs under the terms and the "owner" has to return it. That being said, it sounds dubious as the full price has been paid already for the pup, and unless you are breeding the dog and making bank off of the offspring, the breeder can't really claim any damages from such a breach. They would probably spend 10K in legal fees and years of waiting for the court system to try in the first place, so I really doubt they would. I can only see this happening if they find the dog is being used by a rival breeder under fraudulent conditions. The contract is their protection mechanism against their bloodlines being exploited that way, otherwise they wouldnt have a leg to stand on if another breeding outfit bought up some pups and put them to work.

 

[Deleted member 283175]

Only way the breeder can enforce is to file a breech of contract lawsuit and attempt to have the dog confiscated, as the contract stipulates that you do not retain full ownership of the dog until you present proof of spay/neuter. So they will claim that the dog is still theirs under the terms and the "owner" has to return it. That being said, it sounds dubious as the full price has been paid already for the pup, and unless you are breeding the dog and making bank off of the offspring, the breeder can't really claim any damages from such a breach. They would probably spend 10K in legal fees and years of waiting for the court system to try in the first place, so I really doubt they would. I can only see this happening if they find the dog is being used by a rival breeder under fraudulent conditions. The contract is their protection mechanism against their bloodlines being exploited that way, otherwise they wouldnt have a leg to stand on if another breeding outfit bought up some pups and put them to work.

Well, that does make sense, and I can understand why they would want to take steps to defend/maintain their lines. It just sounds bogus in practice, but like you said, is probably hardly ever enforced, unless there were an obvious example of breeding going on with the pup.

 

[yeahwhosasking]

Small claims is quick and cheap.

Only way the breeder can enforce is to file a breech of contract lawsuit and attempt to have the dog confiscated, as the contract stipulates that you do not retain full ownership of the dog until you present proof of spay/neuter. So they will claim that the dog is still theirs under the terms and the "owner" has to return it. That being said, it sounds dubious as the full price has been paid already for the pup, and unless you are breeding the dog and making bank off of the offspring, the breeder can't really claim any damages from such a breach. They would probably spend 10K in legal fees and years of waiting for the court system to try in the first place, so I really doubt they would. I can only see this happening if they find the dog is being used by a rival breeder under fraudulent conditions. The contract is their protection mechanism against their bloodlines being exploited that way, otherwise they wouldnt have a leg to stand on if another breeding outfit bought up some pups and put them to work.

 

[Valkiria]

Doctor, help!
My neighbours quarrelled very bitterly. She told him he was a filthy sick pig, and he called her a whole lost sick bitch. And now it's not clear to me, if they really are sick, are they your patients?

 

[erphy]

Small claims is quick and cheap.

True but is typically limited to a remediation of a payment of money for damages. So the breeder would have to claim some kind of damage as a result of breach of contract. If you aren’t breeding and selling puppies what damage have you done to the breeder to force a monetary payment to them? The other avenue would be return of property which the breeder could try to claim that the terms of the contract indicate the dog is not owned by the purchaser until it is spayed/neutered. A dog that was paid for, raised, cared for, and owned for over 1.5 years. I can’t see a judge accepting that argument regardless of the contract fancy wording. Small claims generally can’t force “specific performance” either , as in forcing you to have the surgery done to the dog.

 

[Dogdaddy69]

It's always going to depend on the mentality of the individual breeder or breeder corporation, whatever their business set up is, but, in general, those contracts are ironclad and bulletproof. It's Contract Law. Business Law. The Legal reasons for them you'll get is protecting bloodlines, genetics, responsible breeding, yada yada yada. What it boils down to is a business protection. They make their living breeding and selling dogs, cats, livestock, whatever. If YOU have a breedable animal, that potentially cuts into their revenue stream.

Dogs are really small chump change in comparison to livestock bloodlines. Those things, you're looking at many millions, billions even, depending on the sizes of any given business entity. And, case law, legal precedent, can and does have drastic downline effects, so in general you dont often see much deviation from previous legal decisions. Because even a small deviation can have drastic and chaotic effects on entire sectors of business and industry. Think of it like The Butterfly Effect, right?

You won't break one of those contracts legitimately, legally, in one lifetime. You may violate one, but no one here is ever going to have enough time or money to crack one legally. There's too much at stake in the bigger picture. That being said, for purposes of this conversation, you own 1-2 dogs, any given breeder may decide to haul your ass into court, or not. And some will be lax while others might be very vigorus about legal action. It's a coinflip really. How much money do they want to spend tying you up in court, how much can you spend fighting it?

In the livestock version of things you have billion dollar industry going after billion dollar industry spending hundreds of millions in court cost and legal fees for years and years and years and moving the needle one way or another only in tiny increments, if at all.

Another thing to keep in mind is that most of the time, this isn't about the animal, it's the principle. There are and have been cases where the animal in question has been remanded by law enforcement, per court order. And also cases where the animal in question is destroyed. I mean, what are you gonna do? Hold off the sheriffs deputies or eventually a swat team over a dog?

 

[erphy]

It's always going to depend on the mentality of the individual breeder or breeder corporation, whatever their business set up is, but, in general, those contracts are ironclad and bulletproof. It's Contract Law. Business Law. The Legal reasons for them you'll get is protecting bloodlines, genetics, responsible breeding, yada yada yada. What it boils down to is a business protection. They make their living breeding and selling dogs, cats, livestock, whatever. If YOU have a breedable animal, that potentially cuts into their revenue stream.

Dogs are really small chump change in comparison to livestock bloodlines. Those things, you're looking at many millions, billions even, depending on the sizes of any given business entity. And, case law, legal precedent, can and does have drastic downline effects, so in general you dont often see much deviation from previous legal decisions. Because even a small deviation can have drastic and chaotic effects on entire sectors of business and industry. Think of it like The Butterfly Effect, right?

You won't break one of those contracts legitimately, legally, in one lifetime. You may violate one, but no one here is ever going to have enough time or money to crack one legally. There's too much at stake in the bigger picture. That being said, for purposes of this conversation, you own 1-2 dogs, any given breeder may decide to haul your ass into court, or not. And some will be lax while others might be very vigorus about legal action. It's a coinflip really. How much money do they want to spend tying you up in court, how much can you spend fighting it?

In the livestock version of things you have billion dollar industry going after billion dollar industry spending hundreds of millions in court cost and legal fees for years and years and years and moving the needle one way or another only in tiny increments, if at all.

Another thing to keep in mind is that most of the time, this isn't about the animal, it's the principle. There are and have been cases where the animal in question has been remanded by law enforcement, per court order. And also cases where the animal in question is destroyed. I mean, what are you gonna do? Hold off the sheriffs deputies or eventually a swat team over a dog?

If they want to take it that far to have the sherrif come and confiscate my dog , then obviously would do what I have to do. That being said small claims typically won't have that as a remedy , typically confined to a monetary sum being awarded based on damages. Taking it to big boy court will give them such a judgment option.

It is up to the breeder to take a customer not wanting to spay/neuter for health reasons to that extreme. I can see that happening if they find out the dog is being bred for profit as they have to protect their business.

 

[Dogdaddy69]

If they want to take it that far to have the sherrif come and confiscate my dog , then obviously would do what I have to do. That being said small claims typically won't have that as a remedy , typically confined to a monetary sum being awarded based on damages. Taking it to big boy court will give them such a judgment option.

It is up to the breeder to take a customer not wanting to spay/neuter for health reasons to that extreme. I can see that happening if they find out the dog is being bred for profit as they have to protect their business.

Yeah, it depends on the level of escalation in every situation. Like I mentioned, it's going to vary based on a lot of factors and one of those also is what level of court, which is value dependent. $10K in most cases, but can be as much as $35K in some cases, it varies by state here in the US.

In truth, dogs are not going to be looked at in the same light as even minor league livestock patenting/bloodline/breeding rights type stuff either, but will be effected by laws that govern those types of contracts, which was really the only reason to even mention that as it is otherwise not really relevant in the case of K9 breeder contracts.

Even small claims court can cause someone some serious monetary damage if you get an aggressive party seeking to make a point. The bar for burden of proof is lower, but you have to GET to the judgement first. Motions, motions, motions......legal fees add up rapidly for normal people. Court costs themselves are chicken shit to the point where you end up with monetary judgements, but fucking legal fees can get to daunting level pretty fast, relatively speaking.

Dog quality too is going to play a role. "Pet" quality is one thing while "Show" quality is something else entirely.It really does depend on the entity you buy from, not all breeders are equal. I've seen MULTIPLE breeders out there who don't have the reproductive clauses in their contracts. And a some too that will SELL you the reproductive rights also. Problem is, most people don't read contracts or do any homework at all. And, the newsflash is to get the puppy, you have to sign the contract, and once you sign the contract, tough shit, you're legally bound by that for better or worse. Enforcement of contracts, runs from lax to Terminator level.

I won't buy from a breeder. I always advise against buying from a breeder. To everyone, not just people on this website. And, the fact is, most people want a dog, not a showpiece or an investment. And there's no need to even bother with breeders when you can buy or even freely get a dog from any number of places without all that bullshit that comes prepackaged with a breeder. Let's be real here, even a couple thousand dollars in legal fees is too fucking much for the average person just so they don't have to spay or nueter, regardless of WHY you don't want to do that. Only reason I even made a post on this is because people seem to think these contrcts are a joke, they aren't. They're solid, enforceable, and for the most part, unbreakable legally. Why would anyone, especially anyone HERE, willingly put themselves in any situation like that? Especially here. That's more potential scrutiny than anyone here really wants and completely unneccessary.

I'm adding a link to this post simply because it mentions some extremely stupid and completely ridiculous examples of things enshrined in some breeder contracts that anyone with an ounce of sanity would laugh at and avoid if at all possible.

Everything You Need to Know About Breeder Contracts – American Kennel Club

Most reputable breeders will require you to sign a contract before you bring your new puppy home. How do you know what's typical in a breeder contract?

www.akc.org

 

[erphy]

Yeah, it depends on the level of escalation in every situation. Like I mentioned, it's going to vary based on a lot of factors and one of those also is what level of court, which is value dependent. $10K in most cases, but can be as much as $35K in some cases, it varies by state here in the US.

In truth, dogs are not going to be looked at in the same light as even minor league livestock patenting/bloodline/breeding rights type stuff either, but will be effected by laws that govern those types of contracts, which was really the only reason to even mention that as it is otherwise not really relevant in the case of K9 breeder contracts.

Even small claims court can cause someone some serious monetary damage if you get an aggressive party seeking to make a point. The bar for burden of proof is lower, but you have to GET to the judgement first. Motions, motions, motions......legal fees add up rapidly for normal people. Court costs themselves are chicken shit to the point where you end up with monetary judgements, but fucking legal fees can get to daunting level pretty fast, relatively speaking.

Dog quality too is going to play a role. "Pet" quality is one thing while "Show" quality is something else entirely.It really does depend on the entity you buy from, not all breeders are equal. I've seen MULTIPLE breeders out there who don't have the reproductive clauses in their contracts. And a some too that will SELL you the reproductive rights also. Problem is, most people don't read contracts or do any homework at all. And, the newsflash is to get the puppy, you have to sign the contract, and once you sign the contract, tough shit, you're legally bound by that for better or worse. Enforcement of contracts, runs from lax to Terminator level.

I won't buy from a breeder. I always advise against buying from a breeder. To everyone, not just people on this website. And, the fact is, most people want a dog, not a showpiece or an investment. And there's no need to even bother with breeders when you can buy or even freely get a dog from any number of places without all that bullshit that comes prepackaged with a breeder. Let's be real here, even a couple thousand dollars in legal fees is too fucking much for the average person just so they don't have to spay or nueter, regardless of WHY you don't want to do that. Only reason I even made a post on this is because people seem to think these contrcts are a joke, they aren't. They're solid, enforceable, and for the most part, unbreakable legally. Why would anyone, especially anyone HERE, willingly put themselves in any situation like that? Especially here. That's more potential scrutiny than anyone here really wants and completely unneccessary.

I'm adding a link to this post simply because it mentions some extremely stupid and completely ridiculous examples of things enshrined in some breeder contracts that anyone with an ounce of sanity would laugh at and avoid if at all possible.

Everything You Need to Know About Breeder Contracts – American Kennel Club

Most reputable breeders will require you to sign a contract before you bring your new puppy home. How do you know what's typical in a breeder contract?

www.akc.org

Yep, i'm going to see what happens. If the breeder starts getting hostile about sending "proof of neuter/spay", it doesn't stipulate what type of neuter spay, so everyone always has an option of vascectomy or tubal ligation/OSS. So there are options to keep the dog "intact" just not able to reproduce anymore, as has been discussed quite a bit in this thread!

 

[Dogdaddy69]

Yep, i'm going to see what happens. If the breeder starts getting hostile about sending "proof of neuter/spay", it doesn't stipulate what type of neuter spay, so everyone always has an option of vascectomy or tubal ligation/OSS. So there are options to keep the dog "intact" just not able to reproduce anymore, as has been discussed quite a bit in this thread!

Absolutely

 

[Obs3cur]

Question #2 There's a popular video among the M/M anal sex zoos that I have always found particularly disturbing and yet it always gets shown as "proof" on this forum and everywhere else that male dogs love anal sex from men. It's two dogs on their backs filmed from above, being pounded hard by two men anally, their penises are protruding but never get hard so they're not being sexually stimulated at least not fully, and it's almost like there's some other non-sexual physiological process happening there that possibly relates more to the "erections" that some males sometimes get when having a bowel movement. What would your take be on that?

What is the video? If it isnt banned or something?

 

[Deagle113]

might be a bit of an odd one for you Deagle113, getting a leonberger within the next year, in your experience, any major things I should watch out for? have of course studied the breed, read up on online materials about it. but you might have seen stuff in the clinic that isn't much talked about.

First of all, lovely dog choice! Leo’s are wonderful dogs.

Health wise, you’ll run into typical big dog problems— Hip and elbow dysplasia, bloat, etc. they also get their own inherited polyneuropathy that affects peripheral nerves and can be quite bad, most breeders test for it, however. I would advise you to learn into your local breed specific club—a lot of those folks are incredibly knowledgeable about the health issues of their breed as well as full of amazing breed tips.

 

[Deagle113]

Doctor, help!
My neighbours quarrelled very bitterly. She told him he was a filthy sick pig, and he called her a whole lost sick bitch. And now it's not clear to me, if they really are sick, are they your patients?

While pigs do have sweat glands, they aren’t very effective at cooling them down, meaning they have to use other methods, like cooling mud—maybe a bit filthy, but nothing for me to look into!

 

[ThatOneTabaxi]

Out of curiosity, what made you want to be a veterinarian? And a zoo supporter at that? Were you a zoo before you became a vet, or did your journey as a veterinarian influence your opinions on zoos?

 

[Lesman]

Hello, I saw this red bump on my dogs shaft and was wondering what it might be or if it's anything to worry about