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It's always going to depend on the mentality of the individual breeder or breeder corporation, whatever their business set up is, but, in general, those contracts are ironclad and bulletproof. It's Contract Law. Business Law. The Legal reasons for them you'll get is protecting bloodlines, genetics, responsible breeding, yada yada yada. What it boils down to is a business protection. They make their living breeding and selling dogs, cats, livestock, whatever. If YOU have a breedable animal, that potentially cuts into their revenue stream.

Dogs are really small chump change in comparison to livestock bloodlines. Those things, you're looking at many millions, billions even, depending on the sizes of any given business entity. And, case law, legal precedent, can and does have drastic downline effects, so in general you dont often see much deviation from previous legal decisions. Because even a small deviation can have drastic and chaotic effects on entire sectors of business and industry. Think of it like The Butterfly Effect, right?

You won't break one of those contracts legitimately, legally, in one lifetime. You may violate one, but no one here is ever going to have enough time or money to crack one legally. There's too much at stake in the bigger picture. That being said, for purposes of this conversation, you own 1-2 dogs, any given breeder may decide to haul your ass into court, or not. And some will be lax while others might be very vigorus about legal action. It's a coinflip really. How much money do they want to spend tying you up in court, how much can you spend fighting it?

In the livestock version of things you have billion dollar industry going after billion dollar industry spending hundreds of millions in court cost and legal fees for years and years and years and moving the needle one way or another only in tiny increments, if at all.

Another thing to keep in mind is that most of the time, this isn't about the animal, it's the principle. There are and have been cases where the animal in question has been remanded by law enforcement, per court order. And also cases where the animal in question is destroyed. I mean, what are you gonna do? Hold off the sheriffs deputies or eventually a swat team over a dog?
 
It's always going to depend on the mentality of the individual breeder or breeder corporation, whatever their business set up is, but, in general, those contracts are ironclad and bulletproof. It's Contract Law. Business Law. The Legal reasons for them you'll get is protecting bloodlines, genetics, responsible breeding, yada yada yada. What it boils down to is a business protection. They make their living breeding and selling dogs, cats, livestock, whatever. If YOU have a breedable animal, that potentially cuts into their revenue stream.

Dogs are really small chump change in comparison to livestock bloodlines. Those things, you're looking at many millions, billions even, depending on the sizes of any given business entity. And, case law, legal precedent, can and does have drastic downline effects, so in general you dont often see much deviation from previous legal decisions. Because even a small deviation can have drastic and chaotic effects on entire sectors of business and industry. Think of it like The Butterfly Effect, right?

You won't break one of those contracts legitimately, legally, in one lifetime. You may violate one, but no one here is ever going to have enough time or money to crack one legally. There's too much at stake in the bigger picture. That being said, for purposes of this conversation, you own 1-2 dogs, any given breeder may decide to haul your ass into court, or not. And some will be lax while others might be very vigorus about legal action. It's a coinflip really. How much money do they want to spend tying you up in court, how much can you spend fighting it?

In the livestock version of things you have billion dollar industry going after billion dollar industry spending hundreds of millions in court cost and legal fees for years and years and years and moving the needle one way or another only in tiny increments, if at all.

Another thing to keep in mind is that most of the time, this isn't about the animal, it's the principle. There are and have been cases where the animal in question has been remanded by law enforcement, per court order. And also cases where the animal in question is destroyed. I mean, what are you gonna do? Hold off the sheriffs deputies or eventually a swat team over a dog?
If they want to take it that far to have the sherrif come and confiscate my dog , then obviously would do what I have to do. That being said small claims typically won't have that as a remedy , typically confined to a monetary sum being awarded based on damages. Taking it to big boy court will give them such a judgment option.

It is up to the breeder to take a customer not wanting to spay/neuter for health reasons to that extreme. I can see that happening if they find out the dog is being bred for profit as they have to protect their business.
 
If they want to take it that far to have the sherrif come and confiscate my dog , then obviously would do what I have to do. That being said small claims typically won't have that as a remedy , typically confined to a monetary sum being awarded based on damages. Taking it to big boy court will give them such a judgment option.

It is up to the breeder to take a customer not wanting to spay/neuter for health reasons to that extreme. I can see that happening if they find out the dog is being bred for profit as they have to protect their business.
Yeah, it depends on the level of escalation in every situation. Like I mentioned, it's going to vary based on a lot of factors and one of those also is what level of court, which is value dependent. $10K in most cases, but can be as much as $35K in some cases, it varies by state here in the US.

In truth, dogs are not going to be looked at in the same light as even minor league livestock patenting/bloodline/breeding rights type stuff either, but will be effected by laws that govern those types of contracts, which was really the only reason to even mention that as it is otherwise not really relevant in the case of K9 breeder contracts.

Even small claims court can cause someone some serious monetary damage if you get an aggressive party seeking to make a point. The bar for burden of proof is lower, but you have to GET to the judgement first. Motions, motions, motions......legal fees add up rapidly for normal people. Court costs themselves are chicken shit to the point where you end up with monetary judgements, but fucking legal fees can get to daunting level pretty fast, relatively speaking.

Dog quality too is going to play a role. "Pet" quality is one thing while "Show" quality is something else entirely.It really does depend on the entity you buy from, not all breeders are equal. I've seen MULTIPLE breeders out there who don't have the reproductive clauses in their contracts. And a some too that will SELL you the reproductive rights also. Problem is, most people don't read contracts or do any homework at all. And, the newsflash is to get the puppy, you have to sign the contract, and once you sign the contract, tough shit, you're legally bound by that for better or worse. Enforcement of contracts, runs from lax to Terminator level.

I won't buy from a breeder. I always advise against buying from a breeder. To everyone, not just people on this website. And, the fact is, most people want a dog, not a showpiece or an investment. And there's no need to even bother with breeders when you can buy or even freely get a dog from any number of places without all that bullshit that comes prepackaged with a breeder. Let's be real here, even a couple thousand dollars in legal fees is too fucking much for the average person just so they don't have to spay or nueter, regardless of WHY you don't want to do that. Only reason I even made a post on this is because people seem to think these contrcts are a joke, they aren't. They're solid, enforceable, and for the most part, unbreakable legally. Why would anyone, especially anyone HERE, willingly put themselves in any situation like that? Especially here. That's more potential scrutiny than anyone here really wants and completely unneccessary.

I'm adding a link to this post simply because it mentions some extremely stupid and completely ridiculous examples of things enshrined in some breeder contracts that anyone with an ounce of sanity would laugh at and avoid if at all possible.

 
Yeah, it depends on the level of escalation in every situation. Like I mentioned, it's going to vary based on a lot of factors and one of those also is what level of court, which is value dependent. $10K in most cases, but can be as much as $35K in some cases, it varies by state here in the US.

In truth, dogs are not going to be looked at in the same light as even minor league livestock patenting/bloodline/breeding rights type stuff either, but will be effected by laws that govern those types of contracts, which was really the only reason to even mention that as it is otherwise not really relevant in the case of K9 breeder contracts.

Even small claims court can cause someone some serious monetary damage if you get an aggressive party seeking to make a point. The bar for burden of proof is lower, but you have to GET to the judgement first. Motions, motions, motions......legal fees add up rapidly for normal people. Court costs themselves are chicken shit to the point where you end up with monetary judgements, but fucking legal fees can get to daunting level pretty fast, relatively speaking.

Dog quality too is going to play a role. "Pet" quality is one thing while "Show" quality is something else entirely.It really does depend on the entity you buy from, not all breeders are equal. I've seen MULTIPLE breeders out there who don't have the reproductive clauses in their contracts. And a some too that will SELL you the reproductive rights also. Problem is, most people don't read contracts or do any homework at all. And, the newsflash is to get the puppy, you have to sign the contract, and once you sign the contract, tough shit, you're legally bound by that for better or worse. Enforcement of contracts, runs from lax to Terminator level.

I won't buy from a breeder. I always advise against buying from a breeder. To everyone, not just people on this website. And, the fact is, most people want a dog, not a showpiece or an investment. And there's no need to even bother with breeders when you can buy or even freely get a dog from any number of places without all that bullshit that comes prepackaged with a breeder. Let's be real here, even a couple thousand dollars in legal fees is too fucking much for the average person just so they don't have to spay or nueter, regardless of WHY you don't want to do that. Only reason I even made a post on this is because people seem to think these contrcts are a joke, they aren't. They're solid, enforceable, and for the most part, unbreakable legally. Why would anyone, especially anyone HERE, willingly put themselves in any situation like that? Especially here. That's more potential scrutiny than anyone here really wants and completely unneccessary.

I'm adding a link to this post simply because it mentions some extremely stupid and completely ridiculous examples of things enshrined in some breeder contracts that anyone with an ounce of sanity would laugh at and avoid if at all possible.

Yep, i'm going to see what happens. If the breeder starts getting hostile about sending "proof of neuter/spay", it doesn't stipulate what type of neuter spay, so everyone always has an option of vascectomy or tubal ligation/OSS. So there are options to keep the dog "intact" just not able to reproduce anymore, as has been discussed quite a bit in this thread!
 
Yep, i'm going to see what happens. If the breeder starts getting hostile about sending "proof of neuter/spay", it doesn't stipulate what type of neuter spay, so everyone always has an option of vascectomy or tubal ligation/OSS. So there are options to keep the dog "intact" just not able to reproduce anymore, as has been discussed quite a bit in this thread!
Absolutely
 
Question #2 There's a popular video among the M/M anal sex zoos that I have always found particularly disturbing and yet it always gets shown as "proof" on this forum and everywhere else that male dogs love anal sex from men. It's two dogs on their backs filmed from above, being pounded hard by two men anally, their penises are protruding but never get hard so they're not being sexually stimulated at least not fully, and it's almost like there's some other non-sexual physiological process happening there that possibly relates more to the "erections" that some males sometimes get when having a bowel movement. What would your take be on that?
What is the video? If it isnt banned or something?
 
might be a bit of an odd one for you Deagle113, getting a leonberger within the next year, in your experience, any major things I should watch out for? have of course studied the breed, read up on online materials about it. but you might have seen stuff in the clinic that isn't much talked about.
First of all, lovely dog choice! Leo’s are wonderful dogs.

Health wise, you’ll run into typical big dog problems— Hip and elbow dysplasia, bloat, etc. they also get their own inherited polyneuropathy that affects peripheral nerves and can be quite bad, most breeders test for it, however. I would advise you to learn into your local breed specific club—a lot of those folks are incredibly knowledgeable about the health issues of their breed as well as full of amazing breed tips.
 
Doctor, help!
My neighbours quarrelled very bitterly. She told him he was a filthy sick pig, and he called her a whole lost sick bitch. And now it's not clear to me, if they really are sick, are they your patients?
While pigs do have sweat glands, they aren’t very effective at cooling them down, meaning they have to use other methods, like cooling mud—maybe a bit filthy, but nothing for me to look into!
 
Hello, I saw this red bump on my dogs shaft and was wondering what it might be or if it's anything to worry about
 

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Hello, I saw this red bump on my dogs shaft and was wondering what it might be or if it's anything to worry about
It’s hard to make out, but looks like it may be a bruise or small hematoma of some kind, from bumping it the wrong way—keep an eye on it and you should be ok, nothing I’m thinking is serious.
 
Out of curiosity, what made you want to be a veterinarian? And a zoo supporter at that? Were you a zoo before you became a vet, or did your journey as a veterinarian influence your opinions on zoos?
Great question!

I’m a veterinarian because I think animals and humans are both incredible—and those relationships and bonds are, to me, some of the most valuable things in life. I get to maintain that by taking care of companions and helping people understand and help them, and that means the world to me. I also love science, and figuring things out, both of which I do a lot of in my job.

I think folks are probably born zoo, though we may never get research to clarify this. Zoo wise, I was in that initial weird guilty stage before vet school where I denied who I was and tried to change it. Once I was in vet school, learning about animal behavior and spending a lot of time thinking about the ethics of medicine and caring for animals, it made absolutely no sense for sexual stuff to somehow be off the table. Though as humans we attach a lot of meaning to it, sometimes to our detriment, animals absolutely don’t see it this way—it’s a really fun activity that deepens our relationship together.

Done well, with respect, autonomy and consent, zoo is a fabulous way of deepening the human animal bond far beyond what it was before, and it’s a natural continuation of my passion for the species we are put on this earth with. ❤️
 
What do you think about this @Deagle113 ?


 
Often about 30 minutes after a hand job, my dog starts whining to poop. Seems urgent and uncomfortable. He has an enlarged prostate and has cummed blood a while ago, if that's related. Why does the bowel movement get triggered? Anything I can do to help?
Have you gotten that checked out? I would ultrasound that prostate to make sure everything’s okay in there. There are several other causes of an enlarged prostate that aren’t as benign.
 
Howdy zooville!

I work as a mixed animal veterinarian, and am willing to answer any and all animal health questions you may have to the best of my ability. Keep in mind that I’m only one person, and my medical opinion is just that—an opinion, however well informed it may be.

Anything you’re curious about?

Edit: feel free to Dm me if needed!
What is the earliest we can play with our puppy to get him used to our mouths and touching him. He’s 11 weeks
 
It doesn't stop but competes for the metabolic path way, same way that Alcohol stops the body from metabolizing Ethylene Glycol (antifreeze) as it is a competitive binder that the enzyme is better tuned to act upon, so it leave the glycol to be removed by the kidneys.

Funnily enough antifreeze is totally harmless inside the body until the liver gets a hold of it, back in the logging camp we had a couple bottles of 195 proof vodka, it was labeled "Emergency use only" a lot of guys would laugh at that and ask what emergency could there be that alcohol would help. Well, one guy found out, some idiot filled a pop bottle with antifreeze and never labeled it and he drank it thinking it was juice of some sort.

Not precise but ensuring they're drunk till they hit the hospital ensured 100% recovery, other then the head ache from the alcohol, luckily it was discovered fast, thus the very good out come. Luckily this works for dogs too, if you know they drank any amount a dosage of alcohol sufficient to see an observable affect will ensure the glycol is out competed by the ethanol.
That is wildly useful information. Lost a cat years back when a Radiator had cracked and leaked a puddle of the stuff onto the garage floor. Lil sterling thought the stuff tasted great apparently and was found very dead the next day after he found one of his hidy holes to try and sleep off his forbidden kool-aid. Not sure how I'd have gotten him to injest enough alcohol if I had found out about his escapade sooner but now I know it's an option if my dogs find their way into it. Maybe a syringe with a flexible tube?
 
That is wildly useful information. Lost a cat years back when a Radiator had cracked and leaked a puddle of the stuff onto the garage floor. Lil sterling thought the stuff tasted great apparently and was found very dead the next day after he found one of his hidy holes to try and sleep off his forbidden kool-aid. Not sure how I'd have gotten him to injest enough alcohol if I had found out about his escapade sooner but now I know it's an option if my dogs find their way into it. Maybe a syringe with a flexible tube?
As far I know humans are strange / special in the respect, that they are quit tolerant to alcohoi, while most animals aren’t. That is why alcohol can be used to slow down the metabolism of ‘woodalcohol’=methanol and ethylenglycole too.
But I fear that a load of alcohol would be very dangerous to a dog.
Let’s hear an opinion from the vet, please.
 
As far I know humans are strange / special in the respect, that they are quit tolerant to alcohoi, while most animals aren’t. That is why alcohol can be used to slow down the metabolism of ‘woodalcohol’=methanol and ethylenglycole too.
But I fear that a load of alcohol would be very dangerous to a dog.
Let’s hear an opinion from the vet, please.
Oh no of course definitely a last resort when way out in the boonies to maybe buy time if their condition has deteriorated to the point that it might slow down that metabolic processing of the glycol. But even by then I guess it might be too late regardless really.
 
I know a guy who woke up to find his penis involuntarily moving so he went to the doctor and the finding was a parasite and the doctor said it is because either he had sex with animal or he had sex with someone that had sex with animal.

How do we avoid parasites, and such things, when intimate with our companions?
 
As far I know humans are strange / special in the respect, that they are quit tolerant to alcohoi, while most animals aren’t. That is why alcohol can be used to slow down the metabolism of ‘woodalcohol’=methanol and ethylenglycole too.
But I fear that a load of alcohol would be very dangerous to a dog.
Let’s hear an opinion from the vet, please.
Dogs can handle it fine, just takes a lot less, why I say, apply enough to see an affect, so long as there is enough to see altered behavior you got enough to protect the body from bad shit (Calcium Oxalate crystals is the main damage done in case of glycol)
 
Dogs can handle it fine, just takes a lot less, why I say, apply enough to see an affect, so long as there is enough to see altered behavior you got enough to protect the body from bad shit (Calcium Oxalate crystals is the main damage done in case of glycol)
I've definitely seen other folks pour into a bowl a bit of beer for their dogs while eatin on the porch after a long day and they were never worse for wear. Next day that dog would be runnin alongside the tractor after having ate and slept better than I usually did lol. Not sure how it affects cats but dogs definitely handle alcohol pretty well all things considered. Wish I had half the energy of that old mutt, not a clue what she had mixed together.
 
I've definitely seen other folks pour into a bowl a bit of beer for their dogs while eatin on the porch after a long day and they were never worse for wear. Next day that dog would be runnin alongside the tractor after having ate and slept better than I usually did lol. Not sure how it affects cats but dogs definitely handle alcohol pretty well all things considered. Wish I had half the energy of that old mutt, not a clue what she had mixed together.
Can you tell how much ‘a bit of bear’ is ? So we can figure out how much the dog drank.
 
Can you tell how much ‘a bit of bear’ is ? So we can figure out how much the dog drank.
Oh less than a quarter can from what I remember. 1 or 2 fluid ounce probably.

EDIT: she was a big ol girl so that 1 or 2 ounces went into a 70-80 pound dog. She didn't show signs of altered behavior after a while either she just liked budweiser as a treat which she got after her dinner bowl was empty instead of a milk bone or other such treats.
 
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As far I know humans are strange / special in the respect, that they are quit tolerant to alcohoi, while most animals aren’t. That is why alcohol can be used to slow down the metabolism of ‘woodalcohol’=methanol and ethylenglycole too.
But I fear that a load of alcohol would be very dangerous to a dog.
Let’s hear an opinion from the vet, please.
Best option is IV administration of alcohols—and we use sterile stuff. That has the most rapid bioavailability and also let’s us monitor kidney function and a whole lot of other useful things during treatment.
 
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