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Veterinarian here: ask me anything!

OffgridK9lover said:
Team up I can provide the Ether n Chloroform!

Do they still use Chloral Hydrate in any medications, I know it been mostly superseded by newer meds, In humans it is still used in children as a pre-surgery anxiety tamper, and in adults for same or to treat some sleep issues.

been trying to find medical studies in more detail as to mechanisms of action in ruminants and the half life.
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Chloral Hydrate—I had to look it up! We don’t use it in my mixed practice for ruminants. Looks like there’s some interesting new stuff being done with laboratory rodents as of last year.

As I’m sure you’ve found, anesthesia of ruminants lags woefully behind our knowledge of small animals. I adore cows, and wish I had enough money to personally fund the kind of precise anesthetic and surgical research knowledge we have on dogs in our ruminants, but sadly the production world doesn’t really care, so that funding would have to come from bovine athletes (like rodeos) or research animal models or something else.
 
The dog is certainly going to be more apt to bite again if biting got the dog it's way. IMHO biting should be met with a strong, terrifying response no matter what the reason. (Except maybe clear cases of self defense..etc) A dog who bites is a dead dog. Some poor kid steps on the dogs tail and now the kids getting his face stitched together.... your dog is dead. Same with horses and kicking.... Your can't put someone in the hospital for bumping into you at Walmart....
 
OffgridK9lover said:
It doesn't stop but competes for the metabolic path way, same way that Alcohol stops the body from metabolizing Ethylene Glycol (antifreeze) as it is a competitive binder that the enzyme is better tuned to act upon, so it leave the glycol to be removed by the kidneys.

Funnily enough antifreeze is totally harmless inside the body until the liver gets a hold of it, back in the logging camp we had a couple bottles of 195 proof vodka, it was labeled "Emergency use only" a lot of guys would laugh at that and ask what emergency could there be that alcohol would help. Well, one guy found out, some idiot filled a pop bottle with antifreeze and never labeled it and he drank it thinking it was juice of some sort.

Not precise but ensuring they're drunk till they hit the hospital ensured 100% recovery, other then the head ache from the alcohol, luckily it was discovered fast, thus the very good out come. Luckily this works for dogs too, if you know they drank any amount a dosage of alcohol sufficient to see an observable affect will ensure the glycol is out competed by the ethanol.
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I have been know to practice this drill on the weekends , you know to be sure I know how to deal with potential ethylene glycol poisoning if that ever were to happen to me!
 
erphy said:
I have been know to practice this drill on the weekends , you know to be sure I know how to deal with potential ethylene glycol poisoning if that ever were to happen to me!
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You can absolutely add everclear to an IV bag—and I have—in cases of ethylene glycol poisoning!
 
Deagle113 said:
Howdy zooville!

I work as a mixed animal veterinarian, and am willing to answer any and all animal health questions you may have to the best of my ability. Keep in mind that I’m only one person, and my medical opinion is just that—an opinion, however well informed it may be.

Anything you’re curious about?

Edit: feel free to Dm me if needed!
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Impressive an additional 5 pages and grunches (great big bunches) of comments and queries since page 2! Of course, unsurprisingly, the large majority deal with canines with only a very small smattering of large animal questions. How much of your practice deals with large animals, specifically equines?
 
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EponasDevotee said:
Impressive an additional 5 pages and grunches (great big bunches) of comments and queries since page 2! Of course, unsurprisingly, the large majority deal with canines with only a very small smattering of large animal questions. How much of your practice deals with large animals, specifically equines?
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Probably a third, with the opportunity to increase that. I started out working with another doc who had all the horse knowledge of a seasoned veteran, but he’s since moved on, leaving me as the sole equine person (along with one of my nurses) in the practice. It’s been a huge learning curve and very humbling—I never thought I would deal with horses as much during veterinary school, so took more bovine classes and have had to catch up in my knowledge while also being thrown into the ocean of horse medicine, so to speak.

Thankfully, my clients have been wonderfully understanding, and I’m slowly building competency and experience—lots of the medicine is comparative, a suture is a suture, but all the unique quirks and traits of horses are fascinating and sometimes intimidating!
 
Lisadlov said:
Getting knotted /stuck with male dog and human female in sex is that normal?
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Ya know, not having those parts myself I can’t help you there XD.

My suspicion is you have to keep the dog in place based on the anatomical confirmation of human females, but again I wouldn’t know—don’t want to give you incorrect advice.
 
Are spayed girls more prone to get UTIs than intact ones? The first family dog I had would get a UTI every time I did oral and other spayed girls would have similar reactions. But my last girl, who was not spayed, never got one. Is it breed specific or is a dog not able to produce as much helpful bacteria when they're spayed?

Also, a spayed girl tastes a lot different (not good lol) than an intact one and I'm not sure why.
 
the lack of hormones weaken the urethra sphincter which makes it more easy that bacterias can enter, u can give a spayed girl artifical hormones called ,,incurin,, to prevent that

and the change of hormones can change the vaginal flora too - which could lead to a change in taste
 
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GAThrawn said:
Are spayed girls more prone to get UTIs than intact ones? The first family dog I had would get a UTI every time I did oral and other spayed girls would have similar reactions. But my last girl, who was not spayed, never got one. Is it breed specific or is a dog not able to produce as much helpful bacteria when they're spayed?

Also, a spayed girl tastes a lot different (not good lol) than an intact one and I'm not sure why.
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As @Cookiecaretaker so succinctly mentioned, part of the strength of the urethral sphincter (what keeps urine in the bladder and bacteria out) is dependent on the action of estrogen. Remove a bunch of it, and you get a weakening of the muscle, which increases your UTI chance for spayed female dogs.

Treatment wise, Estriol (Incurin) is an estrogen therapy option that works quite well, as mentioned. Although other estrogen formulations have been used for spay incontinence, estriol is the only FDA-approved estrogen for the condition in the US. FDA approval ensures compound safety and effectiveness, as well as quality and consistent manufacturing and monitoring processes for the entirety of its production.

Taste wise: tons of things affect urine composition, from bacterial flora, to diet, to hydration status. I wouldn’t be surprised if these differed for your two different girls—but I’d be hesitant to tack it all up to reproductive status.
 
Austral said:
Hey, I was doing this survey https://www.zoovilleforum.net/threads/2024-rmc-zoophilia-ethics-study-ground-breaking.101508

I read this two questions in it and put don't know, what's your opinion?

What your opinion about it?

How familiar do you think veterinary medical professionals are with zoophilia.​

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Personally? Quite familiar—My dogs would agree. XD.

I can only speak from my US based experience. We never once discussed it in veterinary school and it has never come up during practice. Just about the only even vaguely reproductive comments I usually hear on most days are “wow that dog is still intact those need to come off” or answering the occasional questions about canine smegma.

How much training do you think veterinary medical professionals get about sexual contact between humans and animals?

Absolutely none. We get some training on how to recognize abuse, like healed rib fractures, or burns, or head trauma from horrible human beings abusing their animals, but sexual stuff wasn’t mentioned.
Everything zoo I’ve learned has been from other more experienced zoos, my own experience, and extrapolating from specializing in and reading a ton of literature about animal reproduction.
 
Do jerking a dog off, humping its back, and other less involved acts contribute to hypersexual or unusual sexual behavior in animals? If so, do they impact their mental health or functioning in animal societies, perhaps physically agitating them?
 
NakedLunch said:
Do jerking a dog off, humping its back, and other less involved acts contribute to hypersexual or unusual sexual behavior in animals? If so, do they impact their mental health or functioning in animal societies, perhaps physically agitating them?
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I’m sure your doggo doesn’t see being given manual stimulation a less involved sexual act XD.

But in all seriousness. It helps if you remove sex from its cultural and religious contexts that have changed the meaning and actions for us humans. If you have a lab, say, he’s going to see plunging his entire self in a lake, eating a delicious and tasty meal, and sexual stimulation as essentially all amazing and fun activities that have the same “enjoyment” status, particularly when done with you.

Dogs can learn self control, in sex and any other activity—it’s an important part of their development as adults and good canine citizens of society! Being able to teach them when are appropriate and inappropriate times to ask for sex is something pretty much every zoo has to learn, but I wouldn’t worry about “hypersexual” behavior occurring because of general stimulation.

In fact, I think a dog with a regular, positive sexual life would be better adjusted in animal societies in the same way that a human would! Good, species specific enrichment always improves canine behavior and well being, and sexual enrichment is no different.

Caveat: If this question is to determine how much you can get away with on a dog that isn’t your own—intimacy and an interspecies relationship is 3000% better with your own companion! Most folks who own dogs actively dislike them showing any kind of sexual behavior, and encouraging them to do so isn’t doing the dog any favors.
 
Is there any mental issues we might be introducing regarding having sex with our dogs? I often wonder if there is an adverse effect from bluring the lines from "master" to "sexual partner"
 
ZooDogLover320 said:
Is there any mental issues we might be introducing regarding having sex with our dogs? I often wonder if there is an adverse effect from bluring the lines from "master" to "sexual partner"
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Great question!

I don’t think there should be “master” lines when in a relationship with another species. You’re taking in another creature and deciding to share your life with it.

Sure, dogs depend on you for food and pretty much everything else, as well as guidance as they grow (if you start with a puppy) in how to be good citizens of society. But that relationship doesn’t need to come with artificial constraints on animal free will and choice just because you are the human.

For example: there are some good situations where it’s good to teach your dog to heel on a walk and be right beside you. But you don’t need him to heel and never stop and sniff anything at all because you “want to exercise.” That’s denying autonomy simply for your own desires, and it’s something thousands of people who walk their dogs do every day.

Dogs relate to the world through their noses—not sniffing while on a walk is like you going for a stroll and keeping your eyes closed the whole time.

So much of the rhetoric around “being the dogs alpha” is in error, and not rooted in canine behavior or knowledge, and draws from falsified research on wolves done by a scientist during WWII looking to establish a “scientific” basis for racial dominance that justified killing other people—if your dog has sex with you you aren’t somehow loosing your alpha status if you never had it to begin with.

No more “pretending to eat the dog bowl because I have to show him who is boss before he gets dinner.”

Don’t worry at all about blurring the lines. Become a student of canine behavior instead, and pay attention to all your companions little quirks. Teach them impulse control, how to relate well to humans and other animals, fill their lives with multiple different kinds enrichment, and as long as both of you are enjoying yourselves, have as much sex as you want! ❤️
 
Deagle113 said:
I’m sure your doggo doesn’t see being given manual stimulation a less involved sexual act XD.

But in all seriousness. It helps if you remove sex from its cultural and religious contexts that have changed the meaning and actions for us humans. If you have a lab, say, he’s going to see plunging his entire self in a lake, eating a delicious and tasty meal, and sexual stimulation as essentially all amazing and fun activities that have the same “enjoyment” status, particularly when done with you.

Dogs can learn self control, in sex and any other activity—it’s an important part of their development as adults and good canine citizens of society! Being able to teach them when are appropriate and inappropriate times to ask for sex is something pretty much every zoo has to learn, but I wouldn’t worry about “hypersexual” behavior occurring because of general stimulation.

In fact, I think a dog with a regular, positive sexual life would be better adjusted in animal societies in the same way that a human would! Good, species specific enrichment always improves canine behavior and well being, and sexual enrichment is no different.

Caveat: If this question is to determine how much you can get away with on a dog that isn’t your own—intimacy and an interspecies relationship is 3000% better with your own companion! Most folks who own dogs actively dislike them showing any kind of sexual behavior, and encouraging them to do so isn’t doing the dog any favors.
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It's good to hear a professional perspective about this. I may seek opinions from veterinarians with different biases as well, but it's nice to confirm that dogs at least are normally sexual and social creatures.
 
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NakedLunch said:
It's good to hear a professional perspective about this. I may seek opinions from veterinarians with different biases as well, but it's nice to confirm that dogs at least are normally sexual and social creatures.
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Absolutely gather as many different professional opinions as you can to make an informed decision. Mine is going to come from a position that sexual behavior isn’t something that should be “trained out” or corrected unless it is misdirected, and that it’s a perfectly normal part of canine life.
 
@Deagle113 Question on puppy vaginitis. A buddy told me a vet told them to put a small smear of plain yogurt on the vagina (not in) to "help replenish the flora". I'm all into pro and pre - biotics and do give my dogs an animal formulated probiotic every morning. I know yogurt is known to have beneficial bacteria, I'm just not sold on the idea. What are your thoughts?
 
erphy said:
@Deagle113 Question on puppy vaginitis. A buddy told me a vet told them to put a small smear of plain yogurt on the vagina (not in) to "help replenish the flora". I'm all into pro and pre - biotics and do give my dogs an animal formulated probiotic every morning. I know yogurt is known to have beneficial bacteria, I'm just not sold on the idea. What are your thoughts?
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So I will caveat this by saying vets are like pickles—ya go to the aisle and there’s a whole bunch them in a whole lot of different flavors, and you pick the one you like, but the one you like doesn’t of course invalidate the other pickles. You may like the homespun wisdom of a veterinarian who puts yogurt on stuff. Anyway.

I myself am very much into evidence based medicine—meaning things backed up by scientific data. Putting yogurt near the vulva to “re-establish the flora” based on the fact that yogurt has lactobaccilus bacteria in it isn’t evidence based. We have no studies or research that has even found many of the bacteria that colonize yogurt to be a normal part of the vaginal microflora.

The best thing to to with puppy vaginitis is to allow the dog’s immune system to naturally clear it, which it does 90% of the time with no intervention whatsoever aside from occasional cleaning of the area and careful monitoring.
 
Deagle113 said:
So I will caveat this by saying vets are like pickles—ya go to the aisle and there’s a whole bunch them in a whole lot of different flavors, and you pick the one you like, but the one you like doesn’t of course invalidate the other pickles. You may like the homespun wisdom of a veterinarian who puts yogurt on stuff. Anyway.

I myself am very much into evidence based medicine—meaning things backed up by scientific data. Putting yogurt near the vulva to “re-establish the flora” based on the fact that yogurt has lactobaccilus bacteria in it isn’t evidence based. We have no studies or research that has even found many of the bacteria that colonize yogurt to be a normal part of the vaginal microflora.

The best thing to to with puppy vaginitis is to allow the dog’s immune system to naturally clear it, which it does 90% of the time with no intervention whatsoever aside from occasional cleaning of the area and careful monitoring.
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Thanks for the info. Yep, she pretty much over it, and the only thing I have been doing is helping keeping her clean in the area with some human vag wipes, non-scented. Of course just the outside area.

And yes I agree on your "pickle variety" (now I want some pickles, good thing I have some fresh dills in the fridge! ) ?comment, vets and human doctors alike all have differing opinions on medical matters. I try my best to do my own research to be well informed about any treatments, routines, drugs, diagnosis, etc that any of them tell me.
 
Deagle113 said:
So I will caveat this by saying vets are like pickles—ya go to the aisle and there’s a whole bunch them in a whole lot of different flavors, and you pick the one you like, but the one you like doesn’t of course invalidate the other pickles. You may like the homespun wisdom of a veterinarian who puts yogurt on stuff. Anyway.

I myself am very much into evidence based medicine—meaning things backed up by scientific data. Putting yogurt near the vulva to “re-establish the flora” based on the fact that yogurt has lactobaccilus bacteria in it isn’t evidence based. We have no studies or research that has even found many of the bacteria that colonize yogurt to be a normal part of the vaginal microflora.

The best thing to to with puppy vaginitis is to allow the dog’s immune system to naturally clear it, which it does 90% of the time with no intervention whatsoever aside from occasional cleaning of the area and careful monitoring.
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I can't help but wonder if the size and shape of the developing puppy's vulva sometimes can contribute or exacerbate this issue? Like perhaps urine and other excretions which would normally exit the vagina on their own accord are being trapped due to a vulva that is folded oddly, or is of a smaller size for her age? Have you seen occurrences of this in your travels, and have they ever required any type of intervention other than monitoring and cleanliness?

Sorry to piggyback here, but I also have a young retriever bitch who does get some very mild irritation from time to time, but I am hoping that will change for the better once she is past her first heat cycle.
 
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