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I’m writing a PDF instructional e-book: A Complete Illustrated Guide to Dog Love

So my criticism here is valid.
pes said:
I can already see something I will not like about this book.
Sexual training:
"further training the dog to not engage sexually until told to."

I will repeat what I have said a few times here and I stand by it:
Training animals for sex is wrong. The act must be consensual and ideally initiated by the animal, you must never use any treats, peanut butter, commands, or training methods to make an animal have sex with you or anyone else.
The reasoning behind that is simple, you can teach a dog to let a vet take his blood or trim his nails, clean ears... a clearly unpleasant possibly painful procedure that the dog will endure because there will be a reward in the end.
Bringing this to sex would completely rob you of any valuable feedback and you may end up doing something against the dog's will unknowingly or even worse, knowingly and the dog will withstand that for the reward.
Do not teach animals to have sex with people.

Moreover I went through it quickly and did not see any chapter on masturbation. You should start with the basics of how to actually handle a dog penis and how it works. You have already started with having sex.
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underdoge said:
I don't doubt you and saddle could be a good contributors for a zoo bible. I wouldn't have called on your otherwise. However, taking on a project like OP did takes more than just the knowledge of being around here for a while and experiences. It takes organizational skills, writing, leadership, vision, time, attention to detail, and more.

I respect your contributions. Writing what you want when you want with no expectations or goals is just not the same.
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Lemme ask you this, other than them coming out and saying they aren't or refuse to. What makes you think they haven't at least thought about it? You're also assuming, only knowing them on the internet, that they posses none of these skills?

You do realize the time it takes to put this stuff together, while also having to deal with being a real life adult right?
 
underdoge said:
Sorry, the random gif reversal website failed me :p
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You owe me 7 advils for that.

But yes.. My point

are you ready to throw down into research, or help combine knowledge? Would you be ready to contribute to said project? You called someone out, so now I am calling you out.
 
underdoge said:
I was always supporting the potential future of OP's project so I'm not in the same position, and I will contribute to pez's work if he decides to help the community in this way.
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Excellent answer. No need to reply to my expanded point, I just felt I left it a little hollow.
 
underdoge said:
I don't doubt you and saddle could be a good contributors for a zoo bible. I wouldn't have called on your otherwise. However, taking on a project like OP did takes more than just the knowledge of being around here for a while and experiences. It takes organizational skills, writing, leadership, vision, time, perseverance, attention to detail, and more.

I respect your contributions. Writing by yourself what you want when you want with no expectations or goals is just not the same.
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Why ? because a bunch of brats cannot be bothered lifting even one cheek to let the gas out? You dolts alienated every adult in your world but now you feel like you can ask for help?
oh....I have to speak newspeak....

tldnr
Read a damn book, bud. The local physical library has all sorts of info on this. Get out from behind your screen, walk down a real street and up the stairs between the Lions.

People like YOU busted me two years ago when banana boy announced his proyecta....and I asked why....because all he could do was crib and plagiarize, and steal other peoples work. If hed done that much this project might have turned out better than it did.
So, big boy, get off your ass and start writing. See you in two years


oh....in case you still want to bitch about my lazy ways....

The health of your critters, and you.

For all who actually care about their health, and the health of their critters Over my years here, I've noticed an increasing sense of unwillingness to believe that our little hobby can do anyone harm. Bestiality is one of the oldest expressed Paraphilias in the Human experience, if cave...
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Who the HELL did you think wrote and put THIS together? It was pirated and my info stripped from it when it was posted here. After I screamed, they condescended to put my name on it. In damn small letters.


Come on, dude....I just showed YOU mine, and a minefield....Show us yours....the clock is ticking
 
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underdoge said:
I was always supporting the potential future of OP's project so I'm not in the same position, and I will contribute to pez's work if he decides to help the community in this way.
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I am not going to decide to do this though.
Because I can only provide information about the stuff I can do. I do not have a vagina and therefore the entire section about women+dogs would be theoretical.
I like to base my information on real evidence, either research or actual personal experience.
The information I could provide is in my articles.
 
underdoge said:
Saddles, I missed in there how you absolved yourself of any responsibilities of helping to run out the one guy who was trying to makes things better. I can't make you be helpful but know that people who only complain and do nothing are "shadow-banned" in the minds of everyone who is not like-minded with you. I don't wish to continue talking about it with you because I know it won't end otherwise.

Pez, I understand. That is where the leadership aspect would come in: getting someone smart like allyfitz and others to contribute what you don't know.
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Still cant read, can you sonny.....got a stackin swivel? Ive done my time...its YOUR TURN, bubba....
 
underdoge said:
Saddles, I missed in there how you absolved yourself of any responsibilities of helping to run out the one guy who was trying to makes things better. I can't make you be helpful but know that people who only complain and do nothing are "shadow-banned" in the minds of everyone who is not like-minded with you. I don't wish to continue talking about it with you because I know it won't end otherwise.

Pez, I understand. That is where the leadership aspect would come in: getting someone smart like allyfitz and others to contribute what you don't know.
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oh..now theres something new....He got run out? by whom? because sunny jim, I havent commented even once, since I said I wouldnt. Not even sub rosa. You need his guide, I guess....you obviously cant comprehend what you read, beyond "See Spot run".
 
Redbananared said:
All,

Despite non-constructive, super toxic attitudes from Boomers saying essentially, "I had to learn the long, hard, embarrassing, painful way, and so should you," I've continued to work on this and despite some delays, I've finished the first section (with full photographs!):

A Complete Guide to Dog Love: Female Human: Male Dog (Section 1: 45 Page PDF)

IT IS STILL IN BETA!
IT IS STILL A ROUGH DRAFT!
THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE PRODUCT!

It is not as thorough as I want it to be. It is not as well-formatted as I want it to be. It takes a lot of time to distill, compile, and edit, from all of the sources (BeastForum, ZooVille, Veterinary Books, etc) that I use, and I want community input because want it to be a true community resource. For the record, I do, in fact respond to and address all constructive criticism.

If you have tips/sections that you think should be included, please send me a PM. I'm not going to address the haters who respond here anymore.

- RedBananaRed
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So, went through the rough draft section. It was quite interesting. Not sure if I would agree with all of the advice given, but the fact that an actual PDF is being worked on and made as informative and attractive as possible is in any case, a tremendous feat. Seeing some of the back and forth feedback, some areas may need to be revised, but that is, of course, why it is titled a 'rough draft'.

Best of luck to the rest of your project. May the end result be many times better than the draft (which again, is tremendous even if some advice given might warrant revision or possibly removal.)! Thank you for putting the time in to make something like this.
 
pes said:
So my criticism here is valid.
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Although it does come accross as an ad for the "zoo lifestyle" made by someone who's somewhere in between a caring zoophile with misconceptions and a wanker with good intentions, this concept should not be discouraged especially if we can make it a collaborative group effort authored by all the knowledgeable and caring zoos on here and the Zoocadia forum, which is what I've been hoping emerges out of this! When it comes to helping to decrease abusive practices carried over from old commercial zoo porn industry practices, I think there's a lot of potential good that can come out of having a resource like this, if properly done, for newbies whether they're on here or Zoocadia or not. Something that is totally self-contained, not requiring days of searching through threads and still never getting the full picture, and in a format like pdf that can be easily shared without the need to stay glued to a zoo website reading through endless comments to find the gems of unique, helpful tips and perspectives that so many on both forums have to offer but whose gems constantly get buried and lost amid the noise.
 
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