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I’m writing a PDF instructional e-book: A Complete Illustrated Guide to Dog Love
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Very nice pdf but please make an option with a black theme because as a person using only the black theme, my eyes hurt from it.
My advice: try not to divide one point into two pages. It looks very strange, it is bad for me to read
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This is wonderful stuff!
K9Curiousgurl
Tourist
I'm really looking forward to your finished book..
allyfitz
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
So I like the general idea of this... however... I'm noticing the same issue that always seems to come up.
Regarding "The Deed"... you're falling into the same trap of only going off of what people have written on a forum which glorifies the act. You're focusing 100% on when things go right and not on any of the downsides or how things can go wrong.
You have not mentioned a single thing about the Baculum and how it is a complication when it comes to sex with a woman. You've not mentioned a single thing about cervical trauma or bruising, hell, you haven't even mentioned the issue of vaginal brusing. You've mentioned that vaginal tearing is rare, but don't also acknowledge that depending on the knot size, there is a slight risk of a torn perineum. Also, you've not mentioned a single thing about the simple geometry that people need to be in so a dog can even penetrate let alone properly knot. It's not as simple as; "the penis goes in, and the knot makes it stay". It's a complex process that needs a bunch of things to line up for it to work properly.
However moving along...
This is bad advice and should be removed. Not only for the reasons you mentioned, but it is bad for a dog because he/she will learn that vagina should taste like peanut butter or whipped cream.
This in turn will make them think something is wrong when you're natural. Dogs like the way humans tastes... that's why they lick us all the time. Our sweat has salt in it which they like. Once a dog learns the natural smell and taste of a woman he'll happily lick her for a very long time. Using other things to get a dog to lick you isn't doing the woman or the dog any favors. A woman will end up continually having to coax their dog to preform oral on them using more and more of whatever substance they used. Because once a dog thinks a vagina takes like Peanut butter... they're not going to want to lick it when it tastes like actual vagina.
Giving women the idea that it will last so long is only going to make them very disappointed when they get a few minutes before the dog pulls out... if they were even able to knot in the first place.
Where was that? I didn't see that at all. I went through 45 pages and didn't see a single citation or credit given?
Regarding "The Deed"... you're falling into the same trap of only going off of what people have written on a forum which glorifies the act. You're focusing 100% on when things go right and not on any of the downsides or how things can go wrong.
You have not mentioned a single thing about the Baculum and how it is a complication when it comes to sex with a woman. You've not mentioned a single thing about cervical trauma or bruising, hell, you haven't even mentioned the issue of vaginal brusing. You've mentioned that vaginal tearing is rare, but don't also acknowledge that depending on the knot size, there is a slight risk of a torn perineum. Also, you've not mentioned a single thing about the simple geometry that people need to be in so a dog can even penetrate let alone properly knot. It's not as simple as; "the penis goes in, and the knot makes it stay". It's a complex process that needs a bunch of things to line up for it to work properly.
'Unpleasent'... that's the word you came up with?
However moving along...
This is bad advice and should be removed. Not only for the reasons you mentioned, but it is bad for a dog because he/she will learn that vagina should taste like peanut butter or whipped cream.
This in turn will make them think something is wrong when you're natural. Dogs like the way humans tastes... that's why they lick us all the time. Our sweat has salt in it which they like. Once a dog learns the natural smell and taste of a woman he'll happily lick her for a very long time. Using other things to get a dog to lick you isn't doing the woman or the dog any favors. A woman will end up continually having to coax their dog to preform oral on them using more and more of whatever substance they used. Because once a dog thinks a vagina takes like Peanut butter... they're not going to want to lick it when it tastes like actual vagina.
I firmly believe that this is a GROSS over estimation based on people on the forums larping and being horny and aroused when they write things. I'm not saying those times cant happen. But offering those as what you can expect... sorry... you're just setting women up to be disappointed. There's enough dog porn out there that shows us that 5-10 minutes is far more realistic as most. That's made with multiple angles of the same act over and over to make it as long as possible... and we still don't see more than ~5-10 min of knotting.
Giving women the idea that it will last so long is only going to make them very disappointed when they get a few minutes before the dog pulls out... if they were even able to knot in the first place.
Call it what it is... Rape.
Where was that? I didn't see that at all. I went through 45 pages and didn't see a single citation or credit given?
thank you
I'm interested in this project. I've published one book, researched, designed, wrote, etc. and generated the ebook. I use Adobe inDesign to format it. Ultimately, my book was distributed commercially by a university press. I'm a retired attorney, too. Respond here and let me know if interested and we can communicate via email. I am a GWM. I am a newbie zoo, have a BS animal science and law degree.
Wolfspirit
Citizen of Zooville
This is a project I wanted to start years ago but never got around to it. Here's some suggestions from my own prior notes and current observations:
First of all I agree with Pes's comment in that the word "training" should not be used in how-to info even if it's referring to teaching specific techniques for mutual increase in enjoyment. It encourages abusive behavior and discolors and misreperesents everything ZETA stands for. They already know how to have sex and training implies you're trying to MAKE them be a sexual partner which is the last thing animals and the zoo community needs more of. This is about courtship, communicating with the non-human partner that 1. you're available as a mate, 2. how it happens (they may be interested but hesitant because of the differences in anatomy and scents making the concept confusing) and 3. what NOT to do for both of your safety and to keep things secret (i.e., no humping any other human they want) which is mostly an association thing that the human does such as only sex being allowed when the bedroom door is closed and locked, shades are drawn, clothes are off and down on all fours.
Secondly you might have better luck in getting support and contributions if you re-do this post (post again) this time with a different approach. Make this more of a COMMUNITY based project (or make it much more obvious that that's what it and your intent is). You could do things like make the author "by the ZETA zoo community at large" or "by Zooville members" or something else inclusive, and list yourself as something else other than THE author. Your name is the only name on it currently.
You could also maybe offer to include post/comment author references of specific info sources, like usernames and post/comment dates.
Then you can open it up for suggestions and be sure to emphasize this is only the research phase for the first draft. Give members at least a few months from now to contribute before closing the window for text and photo contributions and suggestions.
There's lots of things you can do to make this feel like a genuine community project instead of looking like you're just gathering other people's content and slapping your label on it like indiscriminating zoo porn sites do with other people's homemade content. I know you said it's for organizational purposes, I agree it's important to help make sure essential info gets to readers most of whom who aren't going to read through hundreds of pages of misc comments to find important information not mentioned in the first page or two of comments. That was my intent for this too. But how this is presented and getting the community engaged is equally important for its success in my opinion.
Personally I just want to help make sure people's non-human partners are happy and healthy as new zoos mates. That being said, I and others have recently posted some important comments in the bitchsex how-to thread that were added after your draft was already posted, so that might be worth adding. They're on page 6-7: https://www.zoovilleforum.net/threads/a-complete-guide-to-bitch-sex.460/page-6
Since this is an evolving subject with new little gems, perspectives, techniques and stuff popping up in posts and comments even to this day, it might be wise to make this an evolving project by starting it out with the version number in the title itself. That will also avoid confusion with readers inside and outside of this website.
Lastly but certainly not least, there really should be ino included for the following things:
Zooromanticism and nonsexual zoophilic bonding (purposes, soecies-specific methods). There's more dimensions to zoosexuality and relationships in the animal kingdom than sex. I feel like the book so far could use more heart and depth, otherwise it just promotes the concept that zoophilia is just all about sex.
Discussing ZETA and its importance.
A brief history of zoophilia (because this can end up anywhere online outside of this site).
That we are all literally "animals" and why it's important especially in a zoophilic relationship to cultivate a develop a greater sense of equality with and empathy for our prospective non-human partners.
What NOT to do (like restraining by physical force or using commands aside from while knotted for safety, and no negative reprimand, only positive reinforcement).
Delving into different forms of zoosexuality to help readers delineate between unhealthy zoosexuality in online content that is abusive or can lead to abuse through neglect by users, kinksters, bestialists and of course zoosadists that are prevalent throughout the internet especially commercially produced zooporn vs the healthy types. In other words, use this as an opportunity to help educate new zoos on how to not support abusive practices in the future!
Some additional ideas:
I think it would possibly also be wise to add into the book intro the recomendation for the reader to make sure they obtain the ebook from its original source to ensure they aren't getting a copy that's been tampered with by antis and trolls or contaminated with maleware by antis, and to also make sure they're getting the most up-to-date version.
You have started something here that has the potential be something helpful and important, and even more than just a basic how-to sex book for Zooville newbies. Because this is a downloadable and shareable thing not permanently anchored to this site, including important information and resources relating to zoophilia in general I think would benefit everyone.
That's all I've got for you off the top of my head. I've got more info in my notes. If what I've said so far sounds good to you, maybe we can collab on this. DM me. I've got more info in my notes and I'll dig them up for you if you're interested.
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Understand the need for caution. Been gay for 40 years so I understand living under the radar when necessary. I don't share photos of a sexual nature from life-long caution. Not actively zoo thus, nothing criminal. I agree collaborating on a project like this requires care.
Wolfspirit
Citizen of Zooville
I havent read completely through the e-book yet but so far it seems much of the critisism is valid BUT that's a very good thing, the more community involvement there is in this project the better. Many people dont seem to see the need for this kind of resource but I certainly do and have for years prior in the way I've envisioned. Whether it's the OP or someone else who picks up the reigns on this, it's something important that I believe can help counteract the trash and animal abuse online circulating around popular zoosexual social media sites and everywhere else!
Side note here, with regard to visuals in the book, I think as long as we gain permission from the actual owners of media content up to rated R level, and find someone to contribute drawings for everything beyond that level, the this book can avoid being categorized as illegal pornography from a legal standpoint which I think would be helpful to the project overall and it's evolution into the future.
Ultimately, my vision for this is more about the animals and mitigating the culture of abuse that's been worsening as the zoo community has been growing over the years. As long as the vision for this project is 100% ZETA in every respect, I'm willing to assist in whatever limited way I possibly can. Otherwise, I'll just put this back on the backburners and wait till I have more time on my hands to make a thread to find people who share my vision and desire to help.
Side note here, with regard to visuals in the book, I think as long as we gain permission from the actual owners of media content up to rated R level, and find someone to contribute drawings for everything beyond that level, the this book can avoid being categorized as illegal pornography from a legal standpoint which I think would be helpful to the project overall and it's evolution into the future.
Ultimately, my vision for this is more about the animals and mitigating the culture of abuse that's been worsening as the zoo community has been growing over the years. As long as the vision for this project is 100% ZETA in every respect, I'm willing to assist in whatever limited way I possibly can. Otherwise, I'll just put this back on the backburners and wait till I have more time on my hands to make a thread to find people who share my vision and desire to help.
Ted Danson Machine
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Honestly could not have said it better. Every single one of these points should be addressed.So I like the general idea of this... however... I'm noticing the same issue that always seems to come up.
Regarding "The Deed"... you're falling into the same trap of only going off of what people have written on a forum which glorifies the act. You're focusing 100% on when things go right and not on any of the downsides or how things can go wrong.
You have not mentioned a single thing about the Baculum and how it is a complication when it comes to sex with a woman. You've not mentioned a single thing about cervical trauma or bruising, hell, you haven't even mentioned the issue of vaginal brusing. You've mentioned that vaginal tearing is rare, but don't also acknowledge that depending on the knot size, there is a slight risk of a torn perineum. Also, you've not mentioned a single thing about the simple geometry that people need to be in so a dog can even penetrate let alone properly knot. It's not as simple as; "the penis goes in, and the knot makes it stay". It's a complex process that needs a bunch of things to line up for it to work properly.
'Unpleasent'... that's the word you came up with?
However moving along...
This is bad advice and should be removed. Not only for the reasons you mentioned, but it is bad for a dog because he/she will learn that vagina should taste like peanut butter or whipped cream.
This in turn will make them think something is wrong when you're natural. Dogs like the way humans tastes... that's why they lick us all the time. Our sweat has salt in it which they like. Once a dog learns the natural smell and taste of a woman he'll happily lick her for a very long time. Using other things to get a dog to lick you isn't doing the woman or the dog any favors. A woman will end up continually having to coax their dog to preform oral on them using more and more of whatever substance they used. Because once a dog thinks a vagina takes like Peanut butter... they're not going to want to lick it when it tastes like actual vagina.
I firmly believe that this is a GROSS over estimation based on people on the forums larping and being horny and aroused when they write things. I'm not saying those times cant happen. But offering those as what you can expect... sorry... you're just setting women up to be disappointed. There's enough dog porn out there that shows us that 5-10 minutes is far more realistic as most. That's made with multiple angles of the same act over and over to make it as long as possible... and we still don't see more than ~5-10 min of knotting.
Giving women the idea that it will last so long is only going to make them very disappointed when they get a few minutes before the dog pulls out... if they were even able to knot in the first place.
Call it what it is... Rape.
Where was that? I didn't see that at all. I went through 45 pages and didn't see a single citation or credit given?
Ted Danson Machine
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
MAYBE, started, but if it's necessary every time there is a larger issue in my opinion
allyfitz
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
No, you don't need to use PB to get them to lick you. Dogs will lick pretty much any part of your body if you point to or tap it and give them a verbal queue. To them you're showing them something and they want to investigate... so they'll sniff and then lick.
And if a woman isn't just right out of the shower and so has her natural smell... a dog will naturally be curious when you signal for them to explore. Dogs are incredibly smart, and they can read your body language and your vocal intonations to know that you're asking them to do something. Add on top of that when you spread your legs and give them vocal and other body queues... they're going to know what you want. You just have to be relaxed and positive an give the queues that you want them to do it.
Add into that if you've been playing with yourself and have built up some grool... it's not hard to get them to lick you. As I said before dogs like the way we taste, that's why they're so eager to lick us anywhere and everywhere. Though most owner try to put a stop to that as soon as they can. But licking releases endorphines for a dog, its a weird analogy, but I kinda consider it similar to how most people enjoy cuddling.
With positive praise an affection after your dog licks you they'll realize its an ok thing for them to do and that you like it. Yea initially you might have to coax them into it, but they learn pretty quick. Max first started licking me out of natural curiosity when I was masturbating. I get very wet and I'm sure the scent I was giving off was very strong, which made him curious.
The most important thing is for a woman to not over react when they start licking you. I know you guys like that in videos, but unless a dog has experience, if a girl starts instantly moaning the moment his tongue touches her... he's going to stop. He doesn't know if he's hurting you or not. A dog is not a human male. They don't instinctively understand the noises a woman will make when she's being sexually pleasured. They need time to learn that. They will learn it but you've got to give him (assuming its a male dog) time to figure that out. Yes a girl might want to scream out in pleasure when she first feels that amazing long lick that somehow covers every part of your vulva and you can feel it on your vaginal opening and your clit at the same time... but you've got to hold that in until he knows its ok. Then you can slowly start introducing your vocalizations into the mix... and yes they will learn from your vocalizations what you like. It's kinda funny in a way. Max learned how to read my vocalizations about what I like better than guys I've been with in the distant past.
Dogs are smart, dogs will learn. You just have to give them time. Trying to short cut the process of them learning to lick you and enjoy your natural scent with PB or some other stuff is a bad idea. Mammals in general learn the most when we are first exposed to something. We all may not learn it deeply, but the foundationals of that knowledge get laid down during initial exposure. This is why when people had a bad experience with something as a kid, they commonly feel the same way even late into their lives. So if the first exposure to vuvla and vagina is peanut butter... that association is going to be burned into their brain early. Remember Dogs are much more scent based than we are. SCENT MATTERS!
Sure using PB might get you somewhere a little faster, but you're going to seriously limit your long term pleasure by giving a dog the wrong belief about what a vagina will taste like... and you're going to have to put in much more effort later to try to overcome the dogs learned understanding that vag should taste like PB and something is wrong when it doesn't.
This is some fascinating insight. I'm new to all this, so this was a hell of a read.
BeastLover
Tourist
Great work ?. I love the pictures used throughout the pdf.
I am really looking forward for the "Human Male - Dog Female" section.
I am really looking forward for the "Human Male - Dog Female" section.
PussiesR4Dogs
Tourist
Great stuff to read, well done!
pricklypear
Tourist
I've read both samples and find it pretty well done! One thing I'd recommend, though, is omission of unnecessary gendered language. This guide is about interaction between human and animal genitalia, and the human's assumed gender identity is entirely irrelevant to this. You often say "women" where you could simply say "person," or just omit the noun entirely and still have the sentence make grammatical sense with good flow. On that matter, I assume you might place anal sex in the male section? Just as not everyone with female anatomy is a woman, not everyone who might want to have anal with a dog is male. So it could be its own "Anal-MDog" section, given it's largely sex irrelevant? (Prostates exist but they're just a bonus and people without them often enjoy anal too)
NerdNeck
Tourist
Very informative! Where csn i find the rest?
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hockydad1960
Guest
Thank You so much. Very well done.
saddlebum66
Supreme Citizen of ZV
About what I expected.
saddlebum66
Supreme Citizen of ZV
Anyone taking bets for a completion date in this C.?
A long time ago I read a bit of this. Maybe it is better that it is not finished.
saddlebum66
Supreme Citizen of ZV
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Training animals for sex
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