Wolf2
Zooville Settler
Got a source to back that up? Not that I particularly care, but I don’t usually trust people who can’t format sentences properly.
I am very scared of the vegan movement, they will try to take our right away to have companion animals.
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Got a source to back that up? Not that I particularly care, but I don’t usually trust people who can’t format sentences properly.
Wasbitchpolly
Prized Citizen of ZV
Eat meat...ok
Eat fruit and veg....ok
who gives a fuck
Eat fruit and veg....ok
who gives a fuck
HyperWoof
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
You need a source to tell you that meat from a 2000lb animal will be ruined after falling off a cliff? hmm
Animals and Nature
In this book, Rod Preece takes issue with the popular but simplistic view that the Western cultural tradition has encouraged attitudes of domination and exploitation toward the natural world, particularly animals. he contends that the much-maligned Western tradition has far more to commend it...
books.google.ca
The Comanche
Known as excellent horsemen, the Comanche were a warlike plains culture who inhabited the are of north Texas, western Oklahoma, and southwest Kansas.
books.google.ca
Indians, Animals, and the Fur Trade
Exploring the motivations of Indians involved in the fur trade, the contributors to this volume challenge the spiritualist interpretation set forth by Calvin Martin in Keepers of the Game, which dismisses the lure of European goods--the power and leisure that firearms and other tools afforded...
books.google.ca
You're in luck, I came well replied for that response.
Hey vegetables go good with every meat dish I've ever had - so I'm half way on your side
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RoughFucker40
Guest
Already tried wholeheartedly to go vegan and it fucked my health without lube. So if Aluzky 2.0 wants to yell at me for wanting to live then so be it, years as a vegan and what did it get me? Dental issues despite being somewhat obsessive about brushing, liver problems, KIDNEY STONES which were very fun to pass, erectile issues, anemic, gut health was completely nonexistent and my mental health began to suffer. And like my neighbor’s wife I tried everything under the sun short of grazing in a damn field with horses and cows.
And technically I’m already killer though this was in self defense. In my 20s I confronted an intruder that broke into my parents house, got into a fight with the guy and was able use the knife he was wielding against him. I was cut up pretty bad and so was he, he didn’t make it. So @Zoo50, I decided I wanted to live, I want my lover to live as I care deeply about her and her well being. If that bothers you then fine. Try not to suggest a little zoophilia murder/suicide, I’ve heard that shit before from “zoo vegans.”
And technically I’m already killer though this was in self defense. In my 20s I confronted an intruder that broke into my parents house, got into a fight with the guy and was able use the knife he was wielding against him. I was cut up pretty bad and so was he, he didn’t make it. So @Zoo50, I decided I wanted to live, I want my lover to live as I care deeply about her and her well being. If that bothers you then fine. Try not to suggest a little zoophilia murder/suicide, I’ve heard that shit before from “zoo vegans.”
FeralLovin'
Citizen of Zooville
My folks always told me to, "pick out 2 vegies," when I was younger and we had any meat products for supper. Carried that over when I moved out and am eager to get my own greenhouse set up someday to grow my own vegies.
Wolf2
Zooville Settler
You need a source to tell you that meat from a 2000lb animal will be ruined after falling off a cliff? hmm
Animals and Nature
In this book, Rod Preece takes issue with the popular but simplistic view that the Western cultural tradition has encouraged attitudes of domination and exploitation toward the natural world, particularly animals. he contends that the much-maligned Western tradition has far more to commend it...books.google.ca
The Comanche
Known as excellent horsemen, the Comanche were a warlike plains culture who inhabited the are of north Texas, western Oklahoma, and southwest Kansas.books.google.ca
Indians, Animals, and the Fur Trade
Exploring the motivations of Indians involved in the fur trade, the contributors to this volume challenge the spiritualist interpretation set forth by Calvin Martin in Keepers of the Game, which dismisses the lure of European goods--the power and leisure that firearms and other tools afforded...books.google.ca
You're in luck, I came well replied for that response.
You actually didn’t. You listed several books, making you seem educated and like you’ve read them, when in realty you probably just did a quick google search. You have not backed up the claim that animals are virtually unusable after being dropped over a cliff.
HyperWoof
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Click on the links dum dum, it takes you to the section where accounts of such strategies are discussed
caikgoch
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Okay. Let's try a different tack. Have you ever seen an animal after it was hit by a truck on the highway? I remember having to clean up a 120 yard long cow 1 time. How much of that do you think was usable?
Black_Unicorn
Citizen of Zooville
I had a good laugh at the TV a few months ago with a short news article where a scientist from CSIRO who had identified a decreased intelligence associated with Veganism stated the only factor they had not yet defined as to when the decrease had occurred.
It was a science based insult using hard data.
FeralLovin'
Citizen of Zooville
Kind of contradictory sentences there. It would have made more sense to say, "that's true, but it's also true that there's pasta made without eggs."
I also wouldn't say "some." As someone that has bounced around working at major chain grocery stores and one of the 2 whole foods here after high school, I can say that there are far more pastas out there that have eggs in them than ones that don't.
FeralLovin'
Citizen of Zooville
Contradicting is above. Even if "some" pastas contain eggs, then saying it's not true is false.
FeralLovin'
Citizen of Zooville
Normal people don't immediately think of salads containing meat unless they're called a chef's salad or tuna salad, but that one doesn't really contain salad stuff, so we'll let the chicken of the sea slide out of this one. Also, the "vegans don't eat meat" part of that statement would be true.
FeralLovin'
Citizen of Zooville
I can't believe you're comparing sentient, complex conscious beings (such as pigs, humans, dogs, etc.) to plants and beans -- that is ridiculous. Plants can't feel pain/suffering the way animals do, and they don't have consciousness, a brain, or a nervous system.
What the Bible says is irrelevant -- it's just the musings of monks from thousands of years ago (i.e. archaic).
Yes, humans can be part of the food chain in the wild -- but remember that animals such as lions don't understand morality, therefore what they do is not morally wrong. Humans have a choice to not kill animals -- and, since humans understand complex things like morality, they can decide to do the least harm (meaning, not killing living beings).
You are stubborn because you are refusing to acknowledge that harming an animal is not necessary, and slaughter obviously involves harm. As I said earlier, you probably wouldn't want to see a human killed, and you probably wouldn't want to see a dog killed -- so what makes killing a pig or a cow acceptable then?
A plant is a living thing. BTW they do have a nervous system. I'm not comparing I'm only saying that you too must kill something in order to eat.
I don't have a problem killing something and eating it no more than any animal has a problem with it. I do not consider a cow or a pig or goat to be on the same level as a human. The practice of eating meat, or animals, harvesting their hides for other uses, and even more uses since other ways have been discovered, this practice has been going on ever since man was on this planet. There is nothing wrong with it. There is no moral complication. And you are entitled to your opinion just as I am.
Regarding the sentence I highlighted in bold -- that is a speciesist statement -- meaning, you value human life more than non-human life, which is wrong. Humans are morally equal to other living beings, such as pigs and cows. A cow has a right to live, in the same way that a human has a right to live. The reason for this is that both cows and humans have an interest in living, and both cows and humans have an interest in not experiencing pain and suffering.
(The word "speciesism" generally means treating beings differently based on their species membership -- it is a form of discrimination, and in this case, it is about "human supremacy". You ought to stop being a speciesist and realize that non-humans are worthy of moral value in the same way that humans are.)
You ought to think about why you have speciesist views, and consider getting rid of those prejudices. Why do you think humans are above other species? (Which is, by the way, an asinine view).
Also, you are wrong. It doesn't matter how long humans have been doing something. Just because humans have been doing something a long time doesn't make it right. And as I said earlier, killing an animal (for slaughter, hunting, etc.) is wrong, and "using" (exploiting) their dead bodies is wrong as well.
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caikgoch
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I have no problem with that. Which is why I'm willing to put myself out there to fuck or be fucked, kill or be killed. In fact, I'd rather make my exit the old fashion way. That means being eaten by some hungry animal.
I do value human life much higher than any animal life. But that is not without saying that I value some animals as higher in value then other animals. I'm not a speciesist - I'm a realist. When I can hire a horse to ride out on the range and herd in my cows then I will view them the same as the cowhands that do the job. When I can hire a pig to bale the hey or feed the other animals then I will place more value on them.
Just because something is alive you can not view it in the same way as other living things. It is not the same. The value is not the same either.
In my opinion you are very wrong. You would be best in a community of monks who view many things the same as you do. They will just brush aside the cockroach that is crawling around the edge of their plate of corn mesh porage. They don't kill anything either. You would fit right in.
I brought up the Bible because it is one of the oldest documents regarding how men should live. YOU immediately dismiss it and say only that it is irrelevant. In fact everything I say is irrelevant to you. This is because you are so stubborn and set in your own way that you think you can disrespect what others say because it is not in line with your closed minded opinion.
I'm sure that you too are guilty of using animal products some where in your current life. Animal products are in almost everything so it would almost be impossible to not have something today that has animal products in it.
However with all that said I am getting hungry. I love talking to you so much because when I sit down to eat my steak dinner it will be so much sweeter.
Wolf2
Zooville Settler
Have you done the math and verified that a truck ramming an animal at 65 MPH is the same as a buffalo falling from a cliff? I would imagine the physics to be at least a little bit different. In order to calculate the speed a falling object drops however, you have to use calculus, which becomes tricky. I took calculus in college, did you graduate high school?
TogglesHappyZoo
Tourist
I don't think I said I was vegan, just to be clear.
Wasbitchpolly
Prized Citizen of ZV
I had anal sex and when he pulled out he had a pea on the end of his cock ? does that make me a vegan ?
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Tailo
Guest
I don't believe that.
caikgoch
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
In what universe? v=sqrt2gd isn't calculus, which I took in grade school.
FeralLovin'
Citizen of Zooville
I just saw in post #197 that you said you were compelled to try the veganism thing, so I was wishing you luck with that.
ashamedmisanthrope
Tourist
You don't get that veganism is a slow transition, do you? Each person who goes vegan decreases the demand for animal products a little less. If veganism is never mandated then it will affect the farm animal populations slowly. No releasing all the farm animals all at once. And who said anything about letting them back into the wild to breed more? They can be sterilized and kept safe by humans until they disappear entirely.
And if not all farm animals can be kept safe, as that may or may not be realistic in the future, I'm fine with them being euthanized. Better than them being beaten and raped in farms.
caikgoch
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
And you have just proven the thesis of the OP, you are trying to take away our right to have animals for whatever reason.
1KnottyGirl
Zooville Settler
I had said:
Sorry guys but I tried the vegetarian thing for 2 years and went back to eating meat a year ago. I have lots more energy, sleep better at night, and have clearer skin. Plus I don't have near as many headaches even though I have a more stressful job now. I feel much healthier now.
It may offend you but as for me I'll be a meat eater the rest of my life.
People like you piss me off. You didn't listen to anything I said. You call me selfish when I had said I tried going without meat in my diet for over 2 years. I gave it a try so how is that selfish? And You're not convinced? Who the hell are you? Fuck off!
All of those things that were not so good in my life changed immediately when I changed my diet back to include meat. Nothing else changed. The fact is that my body improved almost overnight when I returned meat to my diet.
You think I am just making excuses to keep eating meat? So you would sentence me to a life filled with headaches, low energy, and someone that does not sleep well at night. Again who the fuck do you think you are? Some God of infinite wisdom? You condemn someone that gives it a try, and a good try for 2 years and when it fails to work they return to eating meat. You don't even consider that I tried, You just say I am making excuses to keep eating meat.
Why don't you try listening to the things people say instead of being so narrow minded and acting like you are superior?
Sorry guys but I tried the vegetarian thing for 2 years and went back to eating meat a year ago. I have lots more energy, sleep better at night, and have clearer skin. Plus I don't have near as many headaches even though I have a more stressful job now. I feel much healthier now.
It may offend you but as for me I'll be a meat eater the rest of my life.
People like you piss me off. You didn't listen to anything I said. You call me selfish when I had said I tried going without meat in my diet for over 2 years. I gave it a try so how is that selfish? And You're not convinced? Who the hell are you? Fuck off!
All of those things that were not so good in my life changed immediately when I changed my diet back to include meat. Nothing else changed. The fact is that my body improved almost overnight when I returned meat to my diet.
You think I am just making excuses to keep eating meat? So you would sentence me to a life filled with headaches, low energy, and someone that does not sleep well at night. Again who the fuck do you think you are? Some God of infinite wisdom? You condemn someone that gives it a try, and a good try for 2 years and when it fails to work they return to eating meat. You don't even consider that I tried, You just say I am making excuses to keep eating meat.
Why don't you try listening to the things people say instead of being so narrow minded and acting like you are superior?
TogglesHappyZoo
Tourist
Oh, my, I'm not sure I'm ready to give up dairy. Let's take it really slow x3 Start with eating less meat, and see if I can get that far.
But thanks for the well-wishes.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
He's the sole arbiter of all that is moral, proper, and good. Sheesh, can't you figure that out, you stupid, selfish, unethical meat-eating moron???
(In case the reader can't figure it out for him/herself, that was deliberate over-the-top sarcasm - but those of you who have the smarts to read for comprehension probably figured that out before reaching the end of the sentence)