How many are zoo exclusive?

[Snowman]

honestly this kind of brings up a pretty good option. I saw a video awhile back. it was funny but it had a truth ring to it. was based around a straight man wanting to marry another straight man. Never sleep together. they could both see and do who ever they wanted. they just wanted someone to share the household expenses with and get those tax breaks. I feel something similar could work if you are not sexually attracted to other human but do find comfort in being able to have someone around to talk to and things. a similar set up could be formed to that. obvious both would need to be zoo and trust would have to be massive but could work. just a thought

This.

 

[Snowman]

settle... settle. let this remain an easy-going discussion.

i don't mind i can take a bit criticism even if it is not totally founded.

 

[juan_doe_drei]

There is no way I can explain to you how much disgust and hate I felt for myself for years. I thought myself to be Satan himself, some cruel monster. I pushed it down every single day so that no one would notice anything off or wrong. But every night it came back and I'd feel that hate again

totally feel your pain, though i think i was probably a bit less disgusted with myself than you were, so maybe i don't. that said, if you still need to talk about it and want to PM me, feel free (though zoocadia is probably the better place to do so).

 

[juan_doe_drei]

honestly this kind of brings up a pretty good option. I saw a video awhile back. it was funny but it had a truth ring to it. was based around a straight man wanting to marry another straight man. Never sleep together. they could both see and do who ever they wanted. they just wanted someone to share the household expenses with and get those tax breaks. I feel something similar could work if you are not sexually attracted to other human but do find comfort in being able to have someone around to talk to and things. a similar set up could be formed to that. obvious both would need to be zoo and trust would have to be massive but could work. just a thought

this is basically my current situation, actually (minus the two of us dating other humans on the side -- we're both only attracted to non-humans). it works pretty well, but as you say, there needs to be a lot of trust and compromise and planning, etc.

 

[juan_doe_drei]

It's just that I hate when people try to be something they are not because they think it's cool or because they want attention. My dad did that and I hate it.

Edit: this was in response to juan_doe_drei

fair enough.

seems odd to start a separate poll to make the intent more clear, but i admit i'm considering it.

 

[Animale]

this is basically my current situation, actually (minus the two of us dating other humans on the side -- we're both only attracted to non-humans). it works pretty well, but as you say, there needs to be a lot of trust and compromise and planning, etc.

yeah the seeing other humans on the side was pertaining to the video I mentioned with the 2 straight men. FOr zoo exclusive that wouldnt be the case. But you can be with someone and love them in a platonic non sexual way. if you are lucky to find such a person try it out for a few months as roommates and see how it goes. separate bedrooms and all that. obviously marriage is a big step not to be considered lightly but if both are on board those tax benefits are huge. its honestly the thing I miss most about being married lol those tax cuts

 

[juan_doe_drei]

perhaps there are some people with very little people experience to actually be sure what they are haha. sad but there it is.
I mean while fucking i was trying to fantasize about dogs hahahaha but to no avail was not enough

perhaps you _are_ "zoo exclusive", then. it's possible. does it change anything about how you're perceived here? it really shouldn't.

i admit i think @ILoveFemaleGSD's response was a bit harsh, considering the conclusions i came to above, though i have felt exactly as he does for a long time (and who knows, maybe i will again after time has passed, but i hope not).

you responded to me later with "i don't mind i can take a bit criticism even if it is not totally founded." .. and i want to say that i think you're right, it wasn't totally founded and was, again, "a bit harsh".

so on his behalf, i apologize and hope you don't feel unwelcome here because of it.

 

[juan_doe_drei]

yeah the seeing other humans on the side was pertaining to the video I mentioned with the 2 straight men. FOr zoo exclusive that wouldnt be the case. But you can be with someone and love them in a platonic non sexual way. if you are lucky to find such a person try it out for a few months as roommates and see how it goes. separate bedrooms and all that. obviously marriage is a big step not to be considered lightly but if both are on board those tax benefits are huge. its honestly the thing I miss most about being married lol those tax cuts

yes. thus far we have decided not to get married for multiple reasons, but there are (as you point out), good reasons to do so. but there are also negatives we need to keep in mind.

i definitely was lucky. it was like i gained another brother later in my life.

 

[Animale]

yes. thus far we have decided not to get married for multiple reasons, but there are (as you point out), good reasons to do so. but there are also negatives we need to keep in mind.

i definitely was lucky. it was like i gained another brother later in my life.

def some negatives as well especially if for what ever reason it has to end. But Im thrilled for you that you found that person. I hope everything works out for you both

 

[ILoveFemaleGSD's]

so on his behalf, i apologize and hope you don't feel unwelcome here because of it.

I apologize on my own behalf, @Snowman . I was most certainly way too harsh about it and I do hope you don't feel unwelcome here

 

[Animale]

I just want to say for whats its worth Im proud of you guys. Its not easy to admit when we do something wrong. It makes me happy to be a part of the community. I am by no means zoo exclusive and have a wonderful woman in my life but at the end of the day were all zoo's. So thank you for bringing back a civil and insightful conversation <3

 

[ILoveFemaleGSD's]

That's how I try to be, but sometimes I slip. In this case, I think what kinda set me off was the unexpected extreme backlash. Not that that is an excuse, but I'm just spewing for myself what I think caused it so I can try to avoid this type of situation again, no matter where it may be

 

[Animale]

That's how I try to be, but sometimes I slip. In this case, I think what kinda set me off was the unexpected extreme backlash. Not that that is an excuse, but I'm just spewing for myself what I think caused it so I can try to avoid this type of situation again, no matter where it may be

all we can do is try to be a better version of ourselves tomorrow than we are today. there will always be those that choose to insult and instigate. dont stoop to their level. let them stay down there by themselves looking like the fool. it not always easy. trust me I know that I loose my shit sometimes too when Im passionate about something. were only human so dont beat yourself up to much

 

[Snowman]

I apologize on my own behalf, @Snowman . I was most certainly way too harsh about it and I do hope you don't feel unwelcome here

Belief me ive been around for a while and seen some rude people that still run their mouths here and actually scare new people off asking questions they seem stupid or fake.
your not one of em.
Mostly read stuff here since i have to be careful as i live in a small country and one personal picture for example says a lot.
So freedom to talk about stuff is limited in a way.

 

[bonevoyage]

I'm zoo exclusive... human relationships have too much nuance and I'm pretty direct. I have been attracted to women but mostly after we've spent alot of time together and attempted a couple of relationships. It's just not worth the hassle for me. I wouldn't mind marrying another zoo exclusive for friendship and companionship though.

 

[ILoveFemaleGSD's]

It wasn't an attack, and you were the one who posted most recent to when I cake across this thread.

 

[Rainbowgazer]

right, but what he meant was it won't stop other people from saying to you "you just haven't met the right human".

Btw: Would that be a good point to make to zoo haters? I mean telling them: You haven't met the right animal yet.

 

[Rainbowgazer]

It's just that I hate when people try to be something they are not because they think it's cool or because they want attention. My dad did that and I hate it.

I personally wouldn't say that I hate it, I rather consider it stupid and in my head I label such ppl as idiots. But you could also pity them because they are not happy with who they are in reality.

 

[Rainbowgazer]

totally feel your pain, though i think i was probably a bit less disgusted with myself than you were, so maybe i don't. that said, if you still need to talk about it and want to PM me, feel free (though zoocadia is probably the better place to do so).

Also in reply to I love female GSD: I wonder why you guys hated yourself so much. Perhaps it's somewhere in this thread where you explain it. Has it got to do with upbringing, with the expectations of your parents or society? I mean, I was probably lucky because I began to "create" myself at a very early age already. I think it was mostly in the lyrics of songs I heard at that time, e.g. Iron Man by Black Sabbath, Don't let it show by Alan Parson's Project, Rough and Ready by Saxon, I can survive by Triumph, and the like, supported by several books and texts. One was "The Little Prince" where a scientist dressed in the traditonal clothes of his country made a presentation about the Prince's home planet, and nobody would listen to him. Some time later he did the same dressed up in a suit "and everybody agreed to what he said". That told me very early how stupid ppl are for example by judging other ppl according to the clothes they wear. And that's why I began building my own standards and not worrying so much about what other ppl think or say. But of course that's not always easy as we all are social beings and want to be accepted.

 

[juan_doe_drei]

Also in reply to I love female GSD: I wonder why you guys hated yourself so much. Perhaps it's somewhere in this thread where you explain it. Has it got to do with upbringing, with the expectations of your parents or society? I mean, I was probably lucky because I began to "create" myself at a very early age already. I think it was mostly in the lyrics of songs I heard at that time, e.g. Iron Man by Black Sabbath, Don't let it show by Alan Parson's Project, Rough and Ready by Saxon, I can survive by Triumph, and the like, supported by several books and texts. One was "The Little Prince" where a scientist dressed in the traditonal clothes of his country made a presentation about the Prince's home planet, and nobody would listen to him. Some time later he did the same dressed up in a suit "and everybody agreed to what he said". That told me very early how stupid ppl are for example by judging other ppl according to the clothes they wear. And that's why I began building my own standards and not worrying so much about what other ppl think or say. But of course that's not always easy as we all are social beings and want to be accepted.

damn, i wish i would have read "the little prince" when i was young and understood it's meaning. sounds like you're the exception to the rule, honestly. i can't speak for others, but yes, society at large and parents and family and religion .. all told us we were not supposed to like animals the way we did, and that we should be ASHAMED, terribly _ashamed_ for even thinking such things... really sucks. it gets internalized in the absence of others who have been through that and come out the other side with self understanding and self confidence and self love .. turns to confusion, doubt and self hate.

it's (part of) why i spend time in spaces like this -- to try to help others who are struggling spend less time struggling before they reach self acceptance.

 

[AllyKatt]

Not a Zoo exclusive but have never really dated much either so I guess for me right now only doing stuff with my dog but also would be open to dating a human

 

[Cloud 9]

I don't know that I would self-describe as exclusive, but I'm past the part of my life where I'm willing to compromise. It's an important part of my life, and if I'm going to be steady with someone, I need him to understand and accept it- or ideally, be a zoophile himself.

 

[feralredneckpigperv]

I want to be but I’m struggling finding my parthere ughhh

 

[Syncronia1213]

Humans are too difficult to understand. At least with dogs there's no middle way.

 

[Fishbase]

Not zoo exclusive but finding a suitable human partner is not the easiest thing in the world.

 

[sparkthelilwonder]

Not exclusive
Would love zoo partner too

 

[HappyTeef]

Exclusive for the moment.

 

[unoluna]

Not yet

 

[Rainbowgazer]

damn, i wish i would have read "the little prince" when i was young and understood it's meaning. sounds like you're the exception to the rule,

Do you really think there are so few zoos who didn't hate themselves for who they are? i have no idea but i hope it's not so. Is there a thread somewhere here that is about that problem of struggling with your zoo identity?

honestly. i can't speak for others, but yes, society at large and parents and family and religion .. all told us we were not supposed to like animals the way we did,

I can't remember for sure, but I think when I was young that topic of zoophilia never came up in talks with other people like parents, friends or so. In fact I got caught once when in the neighbour's stable when I was about 12-14, and he wanted to know what I did with the animals and I answered "not much, just some petting" which was quite the truth as I was still far from sexual approaches. I never found out whether he ever told my parents, but they were good friends and I always had the impression that my mother knew something, especially later when I was around 18 and often came home late at night, but she never spoke of it which is probably a typical way of parents to deal with it, i.e. ignore the fact and then it doesn't exist. Same for some of the folks in my village, I suppose. Good old times (?) when ppl still didn't care too much about such things and accepted the people as they were.

and that we should be ASHAMED, terribly _ashamed_ for even thinking such things... really sucks.

As mentioned in my former posting I was lucky not to give too much of a damn to what ppl say, and that already at a young age. I agree that when you are younger you are much more dependent on the opinion of others, and unfortunately most people still are even as a ripe and grown-up person. Therefore books like "The little Price" should be promoted and discussed at school: easy to understand, simple language, and with great insights. However, the messages are so unspectacular and simple that probably nevertheless many readers will fail to internalize them, or they simply don't care. If you haven't read it yet I recommend doing so. Apart from the good examples for human's stupidities it has a nice chapter about how to build a friendship (episode with the fox). Again something that is so basic and simple that readers may not understand the importance of the procedure.

it gets internalized in the absence of others who have been through that and come out the other side with self understanding and self confidence and self love

Almost impossible to meet such a person in real life, I would say, and I wonder how many online examples there are.

.. turns to confusion, doubt and self hate.

Sad but understandable. If you've learned that you ought to be like everyone else (an idea that is very prominent in the US, but probably also in every other society), and you can't because you notice that you are different and noone supports you in your individuality you will get in mental trouble. Fortunately not only with the internet there are many places where you may find support and assistance.

it's (part of) why i spend time in spaces like this -- to try to help others who are struggling spend less time struggling before they reach self acceptance.

That's a good motivation. I wonder, though, how many zoos really come here to talk about their problems. Perhaps it is already enough for them to see that there are other ppl like themselves?

 

[presenting_softsquishyzoo]

Do you really think there are so few zoos who didn't hate themselves for who they are? i have no idea but i hope it's not so. Is there a thread somewhere here that is about that problem of struggling with your zoo identity?


I can't remember for sure, but I think when I was young that topic of zoophilia never came up in talks with other people like parents, friends or so. In fact I got caught once when in the neighbour's stable when I was about 12-14, and he wanted to know what I did with the animals and I answered "not much, just some petting" which was quite the truth as I was still far from sexual approaches. I never found out whether he ever told my parents, but they were good friends and I always had the impression that my mother knew something, especially later when I was around 18 and often came home late at night, but she never spoke of it which is probably a typical way of parents to deal with it, i.e. ignore the fact and then it doesn't exist. Same for some of the folks in my village, I suppose. Good old times (?) when ppl still didn't care too much about such things and accepted the people as they were.


As mentioned in my former posting I was lucky not to give too much of a damn to what ppl say, and that already at a young age. I agree that when you are younger you are much more dependent on the opinion of others, and unfortunately most people still are even as a ripe and grown-up person. Therefore books like "The little Price" should be promoted and discussed at school: easy to understand, simple language, and with great insights. However, the messages are so unspectacular and simple that probably nevertheless many readers will fail to internalize them, or they simply don't care. If you haven't read it yet I recommend doing so. Apart from the good examples for human's stupidities it has a nice chapter about how to build a friendship (episode with the fox). Again something that is so basic and simple that readers may not understand the importance of the procedure.


Almost impossible to meet such a person in real life, I would say, and I wonder how many online examples there are.

Sad but understandable. If you've learned that you ought to be like everyone else (an idea that is very prominent in the US, but probably also in every other society), and you can't because you notice that you are different and noone supports you in your individuality you will get in mental trouble. Fortunately not only with the internet there are many places where you may find support and assistance.

That's a good motivation. I wonder, though, how many zoos really come here to talk about their problems. Perhaps it is already enough for them to see that there are other ppl like themselves?

It's nothing to be ashamed of in fact you should feel better , freedom of being zoos for me is that you can make fun healthy relationships with any animals and do even more in private because they also have needs and want a pleasurable experience,to compliment being content and comfortable with you dogs are so much fun I can't seem to find a single one that didn't like me and I could just pet even complete strangers dogs ,but I refrained from interaction with more distant friends pets since it takes some time for them to see if they like you ,even with dogs that bite or snap I would talk to them and they calm down enough I could pet and make friends ,I don't really have bad motives so I just am a friendly person to animals when you can get through to aggressive ones it's kind of satisfying and you feel like you've earned it.