Are all you folks already on the new forum (Zoocadia)?
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Wolfnyx
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MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
You are a funny guy.Zoocadia fulfills a need, but it's likely redundant. The concept of forums for exclusive groups isn't ideal; instead, a social bubble equivalent or forum groups with a filter for relevant topics would suffice. Unfortunately, Zoocadia lacks sections in other languages, which could pose challenges for those struggling with local regulations. Having been part of communities for over 15 years, I've noticed repetitive conversations even in purist forum groups. Perhaps a neatly organized FAQ-style website (not a wiki) filled with expert-contributed topics (e.g., debunking myths, comprehensive pet care guides) would better address basic questions.
but I don't want to get into criticizing an initiative, it's good to try something.
give me 1gb of disk space, 1 database and a subdomain and we'll get started
valleyyote
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I wont join simply because they are splitting hairs and treating folks just as others on other forums and sites treat every zoo. I have learned that it is simpler to ignore those types you do not like and those things you do not like and let them have their place and space. it is arrogant and very elitist to make a sight that is suppose to celebrate the freedom of loving animals and other people who enjoy it as well and than get pissed off when folks exercise that freedom and go running off to create something "better" that really is not . This is is exactly how the us went from being a truly amazing free country to the absolute nightmarish, restrictive, craphole that it is now, too many people wanting it their way.
MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
It annoys you that there are people who hate the continuous dickpic avatars and read about it 10 times every day, how the butt is stretched apart a knot, how many liters of sperm flow on the ground or how wild it is to fuck a smelly male pig, how many people swapping fuck a female dog.
Life in zoophilia consists of other things besides sex. These people went to another forum to talk to each other. And now you are jealous that forum is working and more active than expected.
If they stay here and you would be chased out of here with the restriction of fetishes by amending the regulations, you would be upset. But not. We went ahead and made our own forum, and left this one untouched for you. But you don't like that either, you disparage.
Fuck off.
I've wanted to ignore you before, but now I actually do.
Life in zoophilia consists of other things besides sex. These people went to another forum to talk to each other. And now you are jealous that forum is working and more active than expected.
If they stay here and you would be chased out of here with the restriction of fetishes by amending the regulations, you would be upset. But not. We went ahead and made our own forum, and left this one untouched for you. But you don't like that either, you disparage.
Fuck off.
I've wanted to ignore you before, but now I actually do.
kye whiting
Zooville Settler
But then isn't this post a bit pointless in a way it's going to get more people like zoosadists to join the site. Plus people can just pretend to be someone there not when that join be changing usernames.
Repreive
Tourist
I haven't been a part of this community for terribly long, so I'm not totally certain I understand whether I fit into those categories or not...
Zoosadism aside, if only because that one is obvious and I really can't stand such shit.
I'm into beasts in a sexual capacity and somewhat romantic? I wanna git a stallion wifey and I have a sexual attraction to some other animals such as pigs and canines... But I don't know what that makes me.
Zoosadism aside, if only because that one is obvious and I really can't stand such shit.
I'm into beasts in a sexual capacity and somewhat romantic? I wanna git a stallion wifey and I have a sexual attraction to some other animals such as pigs and canines... But I don't know what that makes me.
OffgridK9lover
Prized Citizen of ZV
Why I never attack spelling, some time shit is neurological, they know how to do it, but the brain fails to tell the fingers where to go or what have you.
So long as it is reasonably comprehensible and not utter word salad, critiques says more about the critiquer's inability than it does the poster!
kye whiting
Zooville Settler
A mare wifey not a stallion that's a husbandey
OffgridK9lover
Prized Citizen of ZV
it really isn't any idea how hard on the back it is, that's why you switch to kicking! Easier on the back and lets you really put the Glut's to work
Friendly tip of the day !
amorousdog5
Citizen of Zooville
Here's some definitions:
Definitions
There is a lot of confusion around terms used in the zoo community, so here is how science defines these terms: Bestialist: There are the “bestialists” who have one or a few sexual contacts with an animal, or they use animals when a more “normal” outlet is not available. (2002, Understanding...
www.zoovilleforum.net
Basically if you care about your animals and have formed or are interested in forming an emotional bond with them that goes beyond just sex, you're a zoophile.
valleyyote
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
If this site annoys you so much than why the hell don't you just stay away? I got news for you hypocrisy is an ugly thing and everybody's crap stinks. A zoo is a zoo period! you can't dress it up and make it different just because you say so. You would be shot just as quickly as me if some folks found out about it. Dictators like you disgust me they always feel everything has to be their way. No you disparage and disrupt because you and your cohorts keep coming back here and stirring the pot so to speak you are the ones who are upset because no one would listen to your unreasonable demands. Life isn't just about you and your way. A real adult understands this. This is the kind of crap that has people killing each other over politics, religion, and any other crap you can think of. It is also the thing that has gotten zoo anything band almost everywhere in the world. Mine is an open mind and heart.
Um yeah look up the true definition of zoophila it means sex with animals nothing else. Anything else where animals are concerned is defined as love, compassion, companionship etc.. those outside the zoo community at large make this distinction very clearly. They would never lump zoophilla in with anything else. They use it exclusively to call us out by name. Trust me I know because I have made the mistake of opening up to some I thouhgt were friends and they called me all sorts of horrible things and mde it clear our kind was fith and it would be jst awesome if they could do unspeakable things to the whole lot of us. Hell even my ultra hertro father who love my gay younger brother said all zoos should be shot on more than one occassion, he even said it would be awesome if bad stuff were allowed to happen to them, pretty harsh words considering they cam from a seventh day adventist. I do not appreciate getting constantly crapped on by hollier then though fellow zoos who think it is their right to dictate policy to everyone else becuse I already get that crap from outside the community. Jealous? Hell no i would never be jealous of something so obnoxis, ugly, and truly hypocritical.
So you are saying you would simply run everyone out simply to have it your way? How uterly childish, selfish, self serving, immature, closed minded, and hearted of you. You made your own forum simply becuse you didn't get to have it your way nothing else. You could have asked them to include a section for you at this open, friendly round table and let everyone else have their enjoyment and freedom in peace but no you kept badgering, heckling, being rude and disruptive. etc.. even to the point of hurting peoples feelings and doing things hetros have done to them everywhere else.
BTW I am not a zoo sadist or anything of that sort and I believe that animals shoud be treated wit the utmost love, kindness, and respect. They are truly wonderful beings that should be treated as any human wishes to be treated. I give them their space and their choice and have never met one that did not ablsolutely adore me on first site or after they got to know me. I tolerate others because it is supposed to be a free world especially in these kinds of settings, websites die becuse of your kind.
I am sorry you hate me but brother I do not hate you in the slightest on the contrary I love you just as any human should love another. We all need to stick toghether because if one falls we all fall at some point.
I hope you have a most beautiful Monday and a most awesome rest of the week!
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Root
Tourist
Wait really?
Root
Tourist
Fair enough I guess
amorousdog5
Citizen of Zooville
Nope. But you can't trust me anymore than you can him, so I recommend you actually have a look for yourself rather than relying on the words of others.
nekdoneco123
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
if you translate boring as "no porn, no personal ads"
amorousdog5
Citizen of Zooville
Especially with such controversial and ever-evolving topics, dictionary definitions are not all that exist in heaven and earth. The definitions I linked are from the writings of social scientists who have studied these topics, and they define these terms in these ways for better clarity.
In fact he didn't say that. He said we made our own place because it's a much better solution than that.
All of these ideals align with those of Zoocadia, so what is it exactly you have a problem with? No vague nonsense about discrimination now; here at ZV we "discriminate" against animal abusers for very good reason and you don't object to that. So it is not discrimination itself, but something specific that is being discriminated against that must be your problem if your arguments are to make any sense. So specifically, what is it that you think Zoocadia discriminates against unjustly?
valleyyote
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Yeah no. You prove the point that some folks just wont accept that their acts are no better than anyone else an therefore your going to try and claim higher ground well there is none to be claimed in the world of zoos.You can not just way your magical Social scientist wand and say I now change this definiton because! Wordds ahve meaning and it does not change simply to suit ones needs, wants, and desires. Zoophilla like Pedophillia means exactly what it infers. the orginators gave it a defintion and that cannot be changed no matter how hard you try. Why becuse I do not ever see any one changing the term pedophilla simply because in the world at large no one accepts messing around with children. Thus logically they same would apply to animals. Fact a large percent of zoos are pedofiles experts have studied this sick fact for years it proves out in the furry commuity with all the baby fur crap. Also to prove a point by definion and animal cannot give consent becuase they do not have the mental faclties and understnding to do so, their actions are an impulse to certain stimuli that goes to their basic intincts. So yeah any zoo is going to fall into the same category if you wish to be logical and honest about it.
Give me a break, it only happend because for so long you all tried very hard to get the mods to see it your way and destroy it for the rest of us. It started not too long after the site was formed in fact. He explained that very clearly when he got disgusted with me. Had he gotten things to go his way alot of people would have been selfishly forced out simply becuae we saw things in a differnt light and had a diffrent opinion on the matter. But those who are selfish and stubbern will not adult up and will therefore blame everyone else and claim they were the better person. Well let me tell you what that is not the case at all. by continuing to come back here and argue the point and beat a dead horse you prove the point. A better person would have left and never come back and would not keep trying to recruit others to your cause.
If you own carnivores of any kind you are a zoo sadist by default becuse you have to feed your pets don't you? Do you yourself consume meat? I grew up in the country and understand how how food animals are treated I also know how big commercial industries treat their animals. Do you consume any products that come from animals, or from places the use animals as farm labor? Do you use comsetics or any number of other items that come into being via the use of animal testing? Do you keep any of your animals pinned up, do you have filthy living quarters for your animals, is their outdoor area large enough for them, is it nice or is it a nasty mudhole? Do your inside pets ever get to go outside on their on and have ample space to excercise? I could go on and on but if you answered yes to any of these questions you are guilty of cruelty yourself. Oh btw do not give me the bullshit answer of well food animals and work animals fall under a totally diffrent definiton becuse they do not . They are all living, breathing sentient beings all worhty of equal treatment. I can not fault others becuse i am no better in that I do consume animal products and things that come from all that I metioned above. I would be very hypocritcal if I did. there is a thing called freedom and everyone is entitled to it on their own terms.
I can not agree with you or take yor side because non of us is guiltless of any of the reasons you claim for creating your new, "better" site, in fact many of you are hypocrites because I knew damn well many of you are hiding dark sins from each other. It is how zoophilla works at its core. I'm never going to sugar coat it for anyone. I know becuse I have been a pansexul, meat consuming zoo since I was a child in gradeschool.
Give me a break, it only happend because for so long you all tried very hard to get the mods to see it your way and destroy it for the rest of us. It started not too long after the site was formed in fact. He explained that very clearly when he got disgusted with me. Had he gotten things to go his way alot of people would have been selfishly forced out simply becuae we saw things in a differnt light and had a diffrent opinion on the matter. But those who are selfish and stubbern will not adult up and will therefore blame everyone else and claim they were the better person. Well let me tell you what that is not the case at all. by continuing to come back here and argue the point and beat a dead horse you prove the point. A better person would have left and never come back and would not keep trying to recruit others to your cause.
If you own carnivores of any kind you are a zoo sadist by default becuse you have to feed your pets don't you? Do you yourself consume meat? I grew up in the country and understand how how food animals are treated I also know how big commercial industries treat their animals. Do you consume any products that come from animals, or from places the use animals as farm labor? Do you use comsetics or any number of other items that come into being via the use of animal testing? Do you keep any of your animals pinned up, do you have filthy living quarters for your animals, is their outdoor area large enough for them, is it nice or is it a nasty mudhole? Do your inside pets ever get to go outside on their on and have ample space to excercise? I could go on and on but if you answered yes to any of these questions you are guilty of cruelty yourself. Oh btw do not give me the bullshit answer of well food animals and work animals fall under a totally diffrent definiton becuse they do not . They are all living, breathing sentient beings all worhty of equal treatment. I can not fault others becuse i am no better in that I do consume animal products and things that come from all that I metioned above. I would be very hypocritcal if I did. there is a thing called freedom and everyone is entitled to it on their own terms.
I can not agree with you or take yor side because non of us is guiltless of any of the reasons you claim for creating your new, "better" site, in fact many of you are hypocrites because I knew damn well many of you are hiding dark sins from each other. It is how zoophilla works at its core. I'm never going to sugar coat it for anyone. I know becuse I have been a pansexul, meat consuming zoo since I was a child in gradeschool.
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From my experience of zoocadia, it is a chill place where people discuss mostly mundane everyday stuff. Like lawnmowers. Sexual discussions do not happen much. There is some porn sharing, but not much.
There are obviously some pet related threads and some zoo related threads.
Newly registered people who would like to use zoocadia the same way you can use zooville do not stick around for long because you can not use the forum that way.
There is a small amount of hostility towards fetishists who generally do not find the forum interesting on their own no matter what small amount of comments they get because it is not zooville and you can not use it for hookups and the porn section is almost empty.
Overall this makes the forum interesting only for people who want the kind of interaction it offers. It is it's own thing with it's own audience.
There are obviously some pet related threads and some zoo related threads.
Newly registered people who would like to use zoocadia the same way you can use zooville do not stick around for long because you can not use the forum that way.
There is a small amount of hostility towards fetishists who generally do not find the forum interesting on their own no matter what small amount of comments they get because it is not zooville and you can not use it for hookups and the porn section is almost empty.
Overall this makes the forum interesting only for people who want the kind of interaction it offers. It is it's own thing with it's own audience.
MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Not man, who doesn't have a good lawnmower.
amorousdog5
Citizen of Zooville
Sorry... are you implying that a man who rapes and beats his dogs is the same as a man who has mutually enjoyed and loving sex with his dogs?
Ah, I forgot. Language is immutable and never changes for any reason. Thanks for reminding me.
A zoosadist is one who derives sexual pleasure from exacting cruelty upon animals. It's not a person who eats meat or feeds meat to their dogs. Farmers are not required to take any form of pleasure in killing their livestock, and in fact can be prosecuted by law if they exhibit animal cruelty towards their livestock.
It's also wrong to say that a person who fails their dog in any way is being cruel to them. People are not perfect, and we cannot provide perfection to our dogs. Saying that we are cruel when we fail to do the impossible is simple stupidity.
Is that so? Can't honestly say I feel at all sinful for having a loving sexual relationship with my dog. What kinds of sins do you get up to, valleyvote?
Root
Tourist
No I mean the just being 3 people part.
VolkaSoyuza
Citizen of Zooville
I might check it out!
Goattobeloved
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Starts to look as it was "this" or "that".
It is not a choice but an option.
You can be on both at no addiotional cost. Even as staff ?.
Then post on each as it fits for the site and your interests.
It is not a choice but an option.
You can be on both at no addiotional cost. Even as staff ?.
Then post on each as it fits for the site and your interests.
Repreive
Tourist
Ah, then I guess I'm a zoophile?Here's some definitions:
Definitions
There is a lot of confusion around terms used in the zoo community, so here is how science defines these terms: Bestialist: There are the “bestialists” who have one or a few sexual contacts with an animal, or they use animals when a more “normal” outlet is not available. (2002, Understanding...
Basically if you care about your animals and have formed or are interested in forming an emotional bond with them that goes beyond just sex, you're a zoophile.
As much as I lust for beasts, I do enjoy their company and affection outside of perversion.
Was caring for and riding horses (non-lewd-ly) for a while in my teens, loved 'em. Real shame I couldn't stick around for more than a few months.
Repreive
Tourist
Nope. Stallion-wifey is only a husband if he's my hubby.
He'd be my wife. My pseudo-mare with a lil extra.
He might be male and have a fatter cock'n'balls than me... But he would be, in every regard, my wifey.
Repreive
Tourist
...I can't say I've heard of animals being used for testing cosmetics in like, several decades. At least not in the nation I live. It'd be absurd.
As for eating meat or feeding a carnivore...
There is a BIG difference between enjoying food made of animals...
And enjoying the suffering of animals. Most folks that eat meat don't do so for the sake of causing suffering, they eat meat because the meat itself tastes good, because it satisfies their hunger and nutrition needs, and because the alternative is often so prohibitively expensive or lacking in quality that they cannot afford it. Literally and figuratively.
Trying to equate such things to sadism of any kind is intellectually dishonest worst, painfully ignorant at best.
As for animal care... It depends on whom you ask? Typically those caring for greater numbers of animals care less about individual suffering and focus on making sure they live healthy and safe lives, something they couldn't achieve if they weren't domesticated and were left to fend for themselves in the wild. This sort of care, even if not equal to that which humans give to their children, is still worth seeking; this is proven by the wolf's ancestors becoming the most widely-known socially-symbiotic species tied to mankind's existence.
Personally, having cared for hens, I cared a great deal for them. Whenever they died of old age or in the rare case due to things such as the bird flue, I'd end up in an emotional fugue. In terms of their conditions... I'd say it's not a house line that which I live in, but it's definitely a place they enjoy living. Animals don't have the exact same desires, instincts and standards as humans do.
Hens enjoy sand, fluffy dirt, straw and such when it comes to materials in their shelters. They like to dig lil divots out to lie in and sprawl on a bit of a tilt when it's hot out and enjoy the shade. They have a funny preference for 'wild water' rather than more pure and clean water, as I've observed when I let them out to peck the yard.
...Getting a bit off track, but...
My point is that I enjoy eating meat. I like the taste and I need it to remain healthy, as do obligate-carnivores.
To deny an animal their dietary needs is feckless, idiotic cruelty. To claim owning or caring for a carnivore is immoral is even more rarted given that, if they had to kill to feed themselves, they'd likely cause far more drawn out and excruciating pain than is endured by those animals which humans farm. Farmed meat is, with proper standards of case, the best possible moral answer to the problem of 'how to not-starve with a belly full of leaves and beans'. Not to mention the stress and pain they might suffer during a hunt, whether or not they succeed.
Supplements are NOT replacements. Pills cannot fulfill your needs perfectly, they can only help offset them temporarily.
Plants which contain proteins do not contain the variety nor quality of proteins found in meats and dairy. The result of lacking in both is that in order to get all the proteins you need in addition to getting enough... Is that you have to eat a LOT. Like, so much it would bloat you.
Also be aware that not everyone can even absorb the vital nutrients found in various nutritional supplements and plant-based alternatives.
Many have tried to be vegan. Long-term, the majority cannot and eventually return to eating meat. It's not a choice; we need to eat meat.
Most people aren't aware, but humans aren't true carnivores; we can digest vegetables and the like, but it's more of a fall-back survival strategy when meat is scarce and all we have left is greenery. As a species, we're less restricted in diet than any other carnivorous animal... But we're far from being herbivorous in terms of our evolution and dietary roots.
TL;DR
Eating meat is not sadistic.
Slowly and thoroughly torturing an animal before killing it, or killing it in a brutal fashion...
Enjoying the act of torture and ending a life in and of itself? That is sadism.
P.S.
Valleyote, I believe you may be woefully misinformed on a number of topics... Particularly regarding the care and use of animals in various industries. While the poultry industry and other agricultural giants are known for their terrible conditions and careless workers, most actual small-scale farmers are far more humane, love their animals. I would literally stumble out of bed, grab a stick from the yard and try to fight off a mangy coyote than risk allowing my precious, dopey lil feathery babies to be harmed.
Also, as regards pedophilia, folks with paraphilias tend to have more than one or two.
The fact is that pedophilia has strong correlation with any form of sexual deviancy from the heterosexual 'norm' and 'vanilla sex'.
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Spirals_Of_Fourth_Wall
Tourist
Thank you for this sane, informative response. And uh... wait what? Are you implying that pedophilia is prevalent among zoos? I'm not saying that incredulously, I agreed with pretty much everything else you said. If that's true, then I was blissfully unaware of something extremely major about this community
amorousdog5
Citizen of Zooville
Take what Reprieve said with a pinch of salt. While I agree with some of his points, his claims about veganism are demonstrably false. It is true to say maintaining nutritional balance is more difficult for vegans, and requires them to take supplements. It is not true to say that people NEED meat to be healthy, nor is it true that supplements only provide a temporary solution. There are a number of professional athletes that have maintained a vegan lifestyle for many years yet still get all the nutrition they need to maintain the peak physical fitness required to be among the best (if not the best) in their sports. Ultramarathon Champion Scott Jurek, NBA Star Chris Paul, and NFL defensive end Deatrich Wise, Jr. to name only a few.
As for pedophilia... not in THIS community. Any show of support for pedophilia will result in an instant ban, no warnings. Just as it should be.
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Indeed it will, just like the half dozen that I banned earlier this morning for posting/liking a clearly underage video. There are no warnings or second chances for pedos here.