Zoophilia in history

[Cardinal_syn]

Alas, many perusing these forums do not care. They just want their jollies. Matter of fact, some who have been banned made it clear the more pain, the more screaming, the more suffering, the more excited they get

This is actually covered in that FBI dissertation. People who practice zoophilia tended to fall in to two categories, sexual deviancy and natural predisposition. Deviance had little separation from pedophilia, necrophilia, sexual sadism and sexual predation. People who experienced it as a deviance had little regard for human or animal dignity. The accounts are disputed but I have a clear example, here follows the account of Rachel Hanan, prisoner at Birkenau:

"Besides that, you know, there were other punishments they could do to you. There were specially there were, you know, those dogs. There were those dogs in the camp. They were very huge dogs. We were afraid of those dogs more than the Germans. Because they were trained to make, you know, to make sex with girls. So if they wanted to punish you, they would take these horrible big dogs and enforce you there to make, whatever. In any case, once it happened, it was a French lady, and she had a beautiful daughter of 16, she was really beautiful. And then, you know, they forced the girl - I don't know what she has done wrong - to do that with the dog. The mother was watching. The girl died because the dog was vicious and bad and big and whatever. She died on the spot. And the mother, she couldn't stand it anymore. She went and hanged herself to the barbed wire, you know, electric, and she died as well."

Its not hard to understand what kind of person trained those dogs or what side of the division they stood on. You are right that we need not look further than the forums to find such people. A woman offers her account or experience or identifies her gender, RIP inbox and 20 people post on profile "Oh baby I think about how your lucky doggy puts it in your @%!%& and I could be your lucky doggy".

Some of us talk so remarkably normal and respectful and others its just... creepy. This isn't an attack on the forums but rather a sorta half answer to a question I've seen posted 1000 times. "Why can't I find a partner who is zoo?" See above. Personally I also try to avoid cruelty or sexual dysfunction with my human partners. I feel for the women.

 

[K9sully]

Those are war crimes. None of those people consented to what was done to them so that conversation is not really about zoophilia, but rather torture, rape, coercion, exploitation of people, and the use of animals as weapons. I understand why you're curious, probably the same reason I opened the book at 15, but there isn't anything remotely arousing about what happened there. There are some accounts of what happened in the German camps and they don't differ much from 731.

As an amateur historian, I’m interested from an historical perspective. Nothing I have been able to find even remotely talks about what took place. The other “commune” you referred to in CA is more interesting to me from an arousing point of view. Hope this clarifies.

 

[Frehmelzen]

Those are war crimes. None of those people consented to what was done to them so that conversation is not really about zoophilia, but rather torture, rape, coercion, exploitation of people, and the use of animals as weapons. I understand why you're curious, probably the same reason I opened the book at 15, but there isn't anything remotely arousing about what happened there. There are some accounts of what happened in the German camps and they don't differ much from 731.

You said, "Experiments" not "Torture" nor "War Crimes" that is why I was interested in it. But as you are now talking about a completely different thing, I pass. Experiments with willing participants is something I would read about, War Crimes on the other hand is not my cup of tea.

 

[Cardinal_syn]

You said, "Experiments" not "Torture" nor "War Crimes" that is why I was interested in it. But as you are now talking about a completely different thing, I pass. Experiments with willing participants is something I would read about, War Crimes on the other hand is not my cup of tea.

I feel like the answer was in the punch. If you're asking about anything that happened in Unit 731 you're talking about a group of people who vivisected people without anesthesia, and that's.. the small stuff? Would it surprise you to know many modern advancements in the treatment of burns, frostbite, poisons, and our understanding of anesthesia came from the Nazi and Japanese experiments. The doctors weren't typically tried as war criminals. Even findings in vetinary science were formed there... but at a terrible cost.

The sex camp is a whole nother can of worms though.

 

[Zetaman40]

Considering I've seen a rather noticeable rise in 'who says your soulmate has to be human' posts on social media since last year and even studies suggesting people love dogs more than other humans. I'm gonna drop this here, I have a theory that there is a lot more people into animals than what society is aware of

 

[Frehmelzen]

Considering I've seen a rather noticeable rise in 'who says your soulmate has to be human' posts on social media since last year and even studies suggesting people love dogs more than other humans. I'm gonna drop this here, I have a theory that there is a lot more people into animals than what society is aware of View attachment 168702

My theory is that if it would be legal, socially accepted and moreover encouraged as a population control and STD prevention method, 3 out of 10 people would do it with only animals. 4 out of 7 would do it mostly with animals (irregularly) , and only the remaining 3 would not chose animals, or just experiment with it once-twice.
If it would be legal on the whole planet by tomorrow, it would be still socially unacceptable in most countries, which is the byproduct of centuries of persecution of this behavior. I just hope that in my life, one day it will be accepted as transgenders, gay people and such sexual orientations. Or treated as a fetish, not as a crime.

 

[dirtydirty]

I heard from a couple different sources that native American women sometimes had sex with horses.

 

[Horst Trapper]

My theory is that if it would be legal, socially accepted and moreover encouraged as a population control and STD prevention method, 3 out of 10 people would do it with only animals. 4 out of 7 would do it mostly with animals (irregularly) , and only the remaining 3 would not chose animals, or just experiment with it once-twice.
If it would be legal on the whole planet by tomorrow, it would be still socially unacceptable in most countries, which is the byproduct of centuries of persecution of this behavior. I just hope that in my life, one day it will be accepted as transgenders, gay people and such sexual orientations. Or treated as a fetish, not as a crime.

And how are you going to control the population if you give them the freedom to find the "right" soulmate? How about creating new consumers/workers/voters and putting fear of whatever you like upon their shoulders to keep them in check? Religion was one mean, now we also have the "free market" and your loans to pay.

 

[walcownik]

Klaus Barbie "Butcher of Lyon" had specially trained dogs for attacking male prisoners genitals and rape female prisoners.
And in Roman republic times, wife caught on adultery was sentenced to public exhibition naked or "drove around the town" naked on the donkey. Moreover such convict had to follow mob orders... Historians fight over if sex with donkey was a part of punishment but... naked woman who had to follow angry mob orders and donkey... You can figure out the rest.

 

[canecorso]

The famous poetic anthology book Masnavi by persian poet Rumi, nicknamed the "Quran in Persian", contains a chapter that tells a story of a slave maidservant and her mistress doing the nasty with a donkey. Interestingly the poem doesn't seem to condemn the act itself (unlike, as you know, almost all other literary works from that period), and even hints at some sympathy for the lustful curiosity that drives the women involved. One translation that I found here: http://www.naseeb.com/journals/very-interesting-rumi-poem-x-rated-7756

Spoiler

There was a maidservant
who had cleverly trained a donkey
to perform the services of a man.

From the gourd,
she had carved a flanged device
to fit on the donkey's penis, to keep him
from going too far into her.

She had fashioned it just to the point
of her pleasure, and she greatly enjoyed
the arrangement, as often as she could.

She thrived, but the donkey was getting
a little thin and tired-looking.

The mistress began to investigate. One day
she peeked through a crack in the door
and saw the animal's marvelous member
and the delight of the girl
stretched under the donkey.

She said nothing. Later, she knocked on the door
and called the maid out on an errand,
a long and complicated errand.
I won't go into details.

The servant knew what was happening, though.
"Ah, my mistress," she though to herself,
"you should not send away the expert.

When you begin to work without full knowledge,
you risk your life. Your shame keeps you
from that to join with this donkey.
There's a trick you don't know!"

But the woman was too fascinated with her idea
to consider any danger. She led the donkey in
and closed the door, thinking, "With no one around
I can shout in my pleasure."

She was dizzy
with anticipation, her vagina glowing
and singing like a nightingale.

She arranged the chair under the donkey,
as she had seen the girl do. She raised her legs
and pulled him into her.

Her fire kindled more,
and the donkey politely pushed as she urged him to,
pushed through and into her intestines,
and without a word, she died.

The chair fell one way,
and she the other.

The room was smeared with blood.

Reader,
have you ever seen anyone martyred
for a donkey? Remember what the Quran says
about the torment of disgracing yourself.

Don't sacrifice your life to your animal-soul!

If you die of what that leads you to do,
you are just like this woman on the floor.
She is an image of immoderation.

Remember her,
and keep your balance.

The maidservant returns and says, "Yes, you saw
my pleasure, but you didn't see the gourd
that put a limit on it. You opened
your shop before a Master
taught you the craft."

Another persian literary classic Haft Awrang by poet Jami also contains a story on a zoophilic encounter of a man and a camel, included with an illustration of the scenario. This time the story definitely doesn't bother with any degree of sympathy: https://archive.org/details/sultanibrahimmir00simp/page/92/mode/2up

Spoiler

A man in the desert is overcome by lust. After a long search he finds a female camel and mounts
her by binding a stick across her legs. While he is thus occupied, Iblis (Satan) appears and begins
to curse him for this act. “Before people reproach you,” rails the devil, “they will blame me, and
that would be giving me a bad name. By God, such a trick has never entered my heart, and such
vileness has never come to my mind.”
The section of text immediately preceding the illustration concerns two of the four pillars of
gnostic devotion: seclusion and prolonged silence. Jami ends his description of the latter by praise
ing those who in their wisdom keep silent and speak and listen only to God. Whoever does not
uphold these pillars, the poet warns, is corrupt and acts and talks as Satan’s deputy, even outdoing
and astonishing the devil himself. This, of course, is the theme of the story of the man mounting
the camel. This daftar of the Silsilat al-dhahab contains many references to the sin of sodomy.

There's been some controversial rumors/theories on whether or not syphilis originated as a disease transmitted sexually from llamas (or other SA camelids), as the disease's first major outbreak in Europe happened in 1494/1945 and Columbus returned from his first voyage in 1493, and I can't dig out a proper citation again at the moment but I believe I've read that there actually is a disease analogous to syphilis among llamas, but it's a different species of Treponema bacterium than the human syphilitic agent Treponema pallidum (although was that also the case in 1493 or did it mutate since? Research on the origin of syphilis is still not finalized). Ancient Peru had a law forbidding unmarried men from keeping female alpacas, a fact that was presented as evidence suggesting that they knew of the danger in some way. These theories have been majorly dismissed, but it still could be a matter worth looking into. Take all of it with a huge grain of salt however.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1468-3083.1994.tb00080.x (I'm probably not allowed to post the actual paper here)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_syphilis

 

[Porky]

I wonder if he had one about dogs, too?

File:Persian woman with an animal Wellcome L0033282.jpg - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[canecorso]

Not sure if you'd consider this "history" per se, but I came across a tweet made by Nigeria's ex-minister of culture (source here) claiming that local herders have some tradition of sex with cows for gratification and ritual purposes prior to slaughter. By "herders" he's probably referring to the Fulani people, which from what little I gather might have some stereotypical reputation of zoophilia in the region (analogous in the west to "Welsh and their sheep" perhaps?). There is some dispute in the comments on how true it really is.

 

[DarkBull]

Very interesting thread, thanks

 

[Pillar]

Not sure if you'd consider this "history" per se, but I came across a tweet made by Nigeria's ex-minister of culture (source here) claiming that local herders have some tradition of sex with cows for gratification and ritual purposes prior to slaughter. By "herders" he's probably referring to the Fulani people, which from what little I gather might have some stereotypical reputation of zoophilia in the region (analogous in the west to "Welsh and their sheep" perhaps?). There is some dispute in the comments on how true it really is.

Remind me not to eat cow meat in Nigeria...

 

[Farmponies]

Remind me not to eat cow meat in Nigeria...

Man cum would add extra flavour to the cow meat...like extra mayo!

 

[Horst Trapper]

Only if eaten raw.

 

[WarHorse]

Another persian literary classic Haft Awrang by poet Jami also contains a story on a zoophilic encounter of a man and a camel, included with an illustration of the scenario.

Since my first encounter, I suspected the Bedou and their camels. More power to them. Don't know if I could get past the smell, myself.

 

[Fox420]

Here you go

Loki's Equine Offspring: Birthing the Eight-Legged Sleipnir - Reactor

Everyone in my social-media feed is excited about Thor: Ragnarok these days, including the office staff at Tor.com. Somewhere amid the post-Halloween festivities, the conversation turned to Loki—because who doesn’t love Loki?—and someone happened to recall one of Loki’s more interesting...

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I heard about about this story I just love the petty nature of loki.

 

[Johnnyk9]

A few years ago, I watch a sensible, normal documentary about Roman gladiators. All good and vanilla (and very interesting). At one point, the aspect of pleasing the crowd was reviewed. This was early showbiz, after all. People wanted to see more ferocious lions, more athletic gladiators, indeed more of everything. If watching humans losing their lives was viewed as entertainment (albeit the modern Hollywood action movie is the equivalent nowadays), the bar was set low on what would be permitted. And that included slave girls, according to the documentary, herded into the arena to be mated by dogs as the crowd cheered and jeered to show the depravity of barbarians. I would love to say the slave girls were granted their freedom and paraded on shoulders through the streets for their magnificent role in zoophilia history. Sadly, no such luck. After being mated, they had their throats cut. To those about to mate, we salute you.

In relation to the slave girls, it was a common punishment to be fucked by babboons and apes..

 

[knottycutieee]

Anybody have any information on ancient egypt? I heard they had a developed zoo culture with jackals and crocodiles if im not mistaken.

 

[Frehmelzen]

Anybody have any information on ancient egypt? I heard they had a developed zoo culture with jackals and crocodiles if im not mistaken.

As I know ancient Egypt healing practices involved sex with animals to cure different diseases. Crocodiles were flipped before they had sex with them to increase fertility. I do not know if it was Egypt or Greek but they tried to cure nymphomaniacs by forcing them on animals.
Also sex with different animals were used to worship different gods. Goats in the Temple of Mendes and bulls in Memphis (or the other way around?) big cats in the Temple of Sekhmet.
And fun fact that Bestiality was punishable by slow torture to death despite all this. But it was rare that someone was sentenced.
Greeks were worse/better as it was not just legal to engage with an animal but almost every celebration and festival involved sex with animals and they had every kind of animal.
Roman women used snakes while the husband had fun with sheep and goat. In Rome men and women were often had sex with animals just to amuse audience during performances. Not to mention the intro and outro for gladiator games.
Arabian fathers encouraged their sons to have sex with donkeys to grow their penis bigger, or increase their virility. Also they believed it will cure a few diseases.
African and Canadian tribes used bestiality as a rite of passage for men, mostly using cattle, but sometimes they caught wild animals.
And I didn't mention the cave drawing from ~30k years picturing animals and mostly men having sex.

So bestiality was pretty common at the dawn of civilization and used not just for fun but for variety of purposes.

 

[YanchaOkami]

Wonder if it was ever mentioned in this thread, as the connection is at the moment too slow to load all the images and pages:

The tales of Gilgames(h) and Enkidu from Mesopotamian history are quite extensive cases of human-animal friendships. To what amount one would call them "wild humans" or "animals" is unsure (if one leaves out of view the bull-appearance often mentioned), but there are proofs for their different participation in the viewers eyes:

It's clearly mentioned that the "priestess" (more like a holy prostitute figurine) Shamhat was sent to seduce Enkidu into becoming something more human after weeks with her.

 

[Luci]

Anybody have any information on ancient egypt? I heard they had a developed zoo culture with jackals and crocodiles if im not mistaken.

The High Priestess of Mendes had intercourse with a ram, which was the personification of the ram god Chnum.

 

[Luci]

This is from the Khajuraho temple in Chatarpur, India. 10th-11th Century CE.

 

[Frehmelzen]

This is from the Khajuraho temple in Chatarpur, India. 10th-11th Century CE.

Having an ordinary orgy back in the 10th century.

 

[Austral]

Having an ordinary orgy back in the 10th century.

And the girl behind is covering her face

 

[Frehmelzen]

And the girl behind is covering her face

Maybe this is the history's first photobombing. Too bad "suddenly having sex with an animal in front of you just to ruin your photo" isn't a thing today. But it seems in the 10th century if you wanted a stone statue about yourself the risk was high that two dudes dragging a horse between you and the artist and starts to having sex with it. And your only option from that moment is a double facepalm and sigh "not again!", while you stand still for the next hour or so.

 

[Luci]

And the girl behind is covering her face

Probably a man also. But there are women in the Kandariya Mahadeva temple having sex with animals also. Below is a bigger picture of that scene and in the middle row there is a woman getting fucked by a dog (right side).

 

[Luci]

As for zoo sex in India, I found this also. A tablet, which dates back 766 years, depicts a carving of a cow on top, and below that a donkey having sex with a woman in various poses.

www.ancient-origins.net/news-general/ancient-tablet-depicting-lewd-scene-becomes-object-veneration-india-002290

 

[canecorso]

On the topic of India, some notes on the legislature of zoophilia in ancient India are described in this link: https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/15478/what-is-hinduisms-stand-on-bestiality