Why do people think sex with animals is rape?

[ijustlikewatchinglol]

Thank you, but at the end we don't know each other - one of the pro's of the .nets.
Hopefully you find what you search and reach for - in real life and for long years of duration this time.

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agreed. we dont know each other and most likely never will

just hope we find our happiness before the end.

 

[laplacespace]

Because animals have no way to convey their desires...no! Down girl! Stop flagging your tail and grinding against my leg!... As i was saying, there is absolutely no way that an animal can show consent or desire, because they are unthinking, unfeeling objects that have no will of their own, nor any teeth/hooves/claws that they could EVER use to defend themselves against unwanted advances. Nobody has ever been harmed by an animal for just getting to close to them or ignoring their boundaries, so how could we expect them to defend themselves against unwanted penetration that requires the most sensitive parts of the perpetrator to be laid bare?

(Sarcasm, in case it wasn't obvious. The only time I actually agree with the whole "it's rape" sentiment is when you drug and force an animal, but at that point, no shit sherlock that's rape - it'd be the same with a human, consenting or no)

 

[FloofyNewfie]

In my opinion m human and f dog sex can be rape

It can be, sure. But if you know how to read her wants and desires, it doesn't have to be. Some female dogs are interested in sex, while some are not. If you have sex with an unwilling female dog, then yes, that's rape. If you have sex with a completely willing female dog, than no, this is not rape. We literally have pages upon pages of information about this subject matter. I'd advise you to educate yourself about this matter.

But human f and animal m is never rape

Wrong! I guess you haven't seen what I've seen before. Let me tell you about an "amateur" video I saw a little while back. There was a woman sitting on top of a dog inserting his mostly flaccid penis into her vagina. The dog himself was squirming and trying to get away. The dog was being held down by his neck forcefully by another person while the woman continued to rape him. And yes, this IS rape. You could see it from the fear in his eyes.

And while we're on the subject, you did mention "animal." There is tons and TONS of videos out there of women "playing" with horse cock while the animal himself if drugged out of his mind. The only reason he even has an erection in the first place is because he's on enough muscle tranquillizers to kill a 14 year old child. You'll often see these "actresses" bending the horses cock to a near 90 degree angle, and I've also seen them cut the cock with their nails (ditto with dog cock.) That is rape as well.

 

[PortStallion]

In my opinion m human and f dog sex can be rape because it can be misunderstood and it usually goes this way. But human f and animal m is never rape because animals push them self on doing sex and it's more natural.
In nature some seals fuck penguins too

Very interesting opinion!
To some extent I understand and subscribe your opinion ... I do agree that the will to engage into sexual interaction between a woman and a male animal, can be more natural, sharing mutual lustful will, to engage fucking each other ... although I do think that a female animal can express it's feelings and will, to fuck a male human.

 

[GimmeAMareAfterMidnight]

People are afraid of the unknown, sex sex with an animal for someone who has never felt such a need is something unknown, and due to the sound and pressure of society it may be shocking to someone it can also react aggressively to unknown or follow the stereotype that a zoophile is someone who harms animals just to take sex and give a shit about the animal and the name itself says zoo - animals phillia - a friend but people are simple and if they themselves do not feel the need to be close to the animal, they may not understand it because in their subjective opinion it can also be disgusting as for example, to me, a human female pussy to them horse pussy can be disgusting. The love of horses also helped me to learn their language I spent a lot of time with them and I started noticing their micro-movements and how they communicate with each other, the micro movements they speak (body language) now I don't pay attention to it anymore because their language has entered me like a native one I just know what she says to me, e.g. that she wants to drink water or has a lot of energy and wants to run because she needs it. People do not want to see these micro movements and that the animal talks to them because it is simpler to think that you are the only intelligence on the planet and animals are just a pile of meat, driven by instinct or basic emotions. animals are more intelligent than we think, many species can love or think logically it is not thinking at the level of atomic physics or astronomy, but e.g. horses may be interested in various objects, e.g. guitar and not only can you eat it, or what is behind the forest, other meadow?
Coming back to the languages of animals, as I learned equine, I am open to every species because everyone communicates somehow and you can see it immediately, we, people who have contacts with animals on the level of a partner, come to us easier, we want to understand and learn what they say to us and we want to express attention to it and others do not that's why they say that, for example, a mare cannot give informed consent to sex which is not true because when she is in heat she comes and asks for a stallion or someone who is interested in her, and when she does not want to fuck she take her backside away or shows that she is not currently interested but people are too dumb for it to understand or notice it or they say that sex with someone other than human is something wrong, religion said that, and before that, everyone who wanted to have sex with animals they had sex and that there was a lot of it, religion forbade, but even in antiquity there were orgies with animals and everyone was happy, they always were and will have sex with us, because animals also have sex between species , only man has invented something that is immoral but forgot that he is also only an animal

 

[funminx]

Woman do not teach a k9 to mount we may adjust positioning to improve the connection but we do not force the male k9. I can only speak for myself I have never used a k9 cock like a dildo or rode a k9. Not all k9’s will mount. Having shown and raised dogs and seen first hand a bitch in heat tear up an interested male k9 twice her size I doubt most of the men into a k9 pussy do so without some form of restraint. If anyone uses restraint for sexual gratification without consent it is rape. Granted this doesn’t apply to the one in a hundred that maybe able to do so. How ever any time you have to restrain woman, animal or man in order for your gradification it is rape.

 

[BitchPussyislife]

Rape is bad. Consent is necessary, but requires observation and analysis. Not all of us have the capacity to engage in observation and analysis. Many of us humans can't see past what we want, what we desire and ignore even some of the most seemingly obvious signs of resistance. When this happens thats rape. I've seen too many videos of guys that are tail pulling, using brute force penetration and totally ignoring the signs of rejection. These types of people don't recognize or respect the animals right to NOT feel pain and discomfort. This is so heinous it can make a person generalize all who engage in zoo sex because it's so disturbing and enraging, it makes them feel like the only way to avoid these types of occurrences is to avoid all occurrences of zoo sex.

There are people that literally don't have the capacity to assess, recognize and humanely respond to an animals stress ( ALL ANIMALS) and to me, sticky traps for rats is just as unacceptable as raping an animal. It speaks volumes about the person's capacity for compassion and lacking diplomacy. No amount of debate or banter changes the nature of such people. This is why people come after zoos with such ferocity, because of the bad apples in the bunch. And unfortunately there is no way to weed them out without trashing a few good apples along the way. Sociopaths and psychopaths look just like everyone else, until they show their true nature you have no idea that they are damaged.

 

[DVDA]

In the same way coercing someone who's intoxicated, mentally challenged, or afraid to say no is rape. Just because they didn't say no doesn't mean they said yes.

Which isn't to say all animal sex is or isn't rape. But at the same time, people aren't always the best judges of animal behavior. Horny dogs will hump just about anything, and an animal in heat is going to be receptive to all types of physical intimacy. Their hormones are going wild and all the know is they want to be bred for the sake of pregnancy. The idea they're 'flirting' with you or demanding some type of sex from a person is attributing human traits to non-human creatures.

While there's plenty of cases of animals and humans having mutually enjoyable sex with one another, there's thousands of self-professed zoos out there who don't seem to know (or care) if the animal's truly enjoying it. Dogs will be showing signs of discomfort, pain, or anxiety and people will react as though they're enjoying it. "They're whining because they want to be fucked harder!" .

Since it's a moral gray area, and animals can't explicitly say "I want you to fuck me!" or "I loved when we fucked last night!" or anything of the like, sometimes you have to err on the side of caution.

 

[BitchPussyislife]

In the same way coercing someone who's intoxicated, mentally challenged, or afraid to say no is rape. Just because they didn't say no doesn't mean they said yes.

Which isn't to say all animal sex is or isn't rape. But at the same time, people aren't always the best judges of animal behavior. Horny dogs will hump just about anything, and an animal in heat is going to be receptive to all types of physical intimacy. Their hormones are going wild and all the know is they want to be bred for the sake of pregnancy. The idea they're 'flirting' with you or demanding some type of sex from a person is attributing human traits to non-human creatures.

While there's plenty of cases of animals and humans having mutually enjoyable sex with one another, there's thousands of self-professed zoos out there who don't seem to know (or care) if the animal's truly enjoying it. Dogs will be showing signs of discomfort, pain, or anxiety and people will react as though they're enjoying it. "They're whining because they want to be fucked harder!" .

Since it's a moral gray area, and animals can't explicitly say "I want you to fuck me!" or "I loved when we fucked last night!" or anything of the like, sometimes you have to err on the side of caution.

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[DVDA]

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Hey, thanks! Always loved dolphins too !

 

[egoldstein]

In the same way coercing someone who's intoxicated, mentally challenged, or afraid to say no is rape. Just because they didn't say no doesn't mean they said yes.

While I agree with this, they can indeed say "yes", just not verbally.

Which isn't to say all animal sex is or isn't rape. But at the same time, people aren't always the best judges of animal behavior. Horny dogs will hump just about anything, and an animal in heat is going to be receptive to all types of physical intimacy. Their hormones are going wild and all the know is they want to be bred for the sake of pregnancy. The idea they're 'flirting' with you or demanding some type of sex from a person is attributing human traits to non-human creatures.

Humans are also driven by their hormones, I can think of a vast number of people who had pregnancies not because they wanted to be "bred for the sake of pregnancy" but because they were horny and didn't plan.

While there's plenty of cases of animals and humans having mutually enjoyable sex with one another, there's thousands of self-professed zoos out there who don't seem to know (or care) if the animal's truly enjoying it. Dogs will be showing signs of discomfort, pain, or anxiety and people will react as though they're enjoying it. "They're whining because they want to be fucked harder!" .

No disagreement, there are some selfish people out there with little concern beyond their own pleasure.

Since it's a moral gray area, and animals can't explicitly say "I want you to fuck me!" or "I loved when we fucked last night!" or anything of the like, sometimes you have to err on the side of caution.

So a mute person can't consent? Non-humans can express a desire to mate, they just lack the ability to do it verbally.

 

[DVDA]

While I agree with this, they can indeed say "yes", just not verbally.

Right, and often times people will attribute the nonverbal cues for anything other than "yes" AS "yes". A cat purrs when its happy but also when it needs to calm itself down. Or, in pain.

Humans are also driven by their hormones, I can think of a vast number of people who had pregnancies not because they wanted to be "bred for the sake of pregnancy" but because they were horny and didn't plan.

Humans also have autonomy over their own bodies and are allowed to handle the consequences as they see fit. Animals do not. Some dogs will consent to sex only because they're yielding to the alpha, but not have any real enjoyment from it.

So a mute person can't consent? Non-humans can express a desire to mate, they just lack the ability to do it verbally.

Again bringing up autonomy and nonverbal cues, a mute person would have the means to resist, or report non-consensual sex without verbal cues.

There was an argument in a different thread about how using peanut butter or treats to coax a dog into sex or oral is non-consensual, since only the person is getting sexual gratification. That sums up my view on animal consent in general. If you're both getting sexual pleasure from the experience and it doesn't cause any confusion, anger, resentment or fear afterwards, then that's fine. But I feel like it's not as common as many zoo's claim.

 

[egoldstein]

Humans also have autonomy over their own bodies and are allowed to handle the consequences as they see fit. Animals do not. Some dogs will consent to sex only because they're yielding to the alpha, but not have any real enjoyment from it.

If you're going to just state that only humans have autonomy, I'll have to leave this as a point we just do not agree on. Many don't have autonomy in human societies, but that's a whole other problem.

If you're both getting sexual pleasure from the experience and it doesn't cause any confusion, anger, resentment or fear afterwards, then that's fine. But I feel like it's not as common as many zoo's claim.

Without any data, who knows?
Edit: My anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise, but I'm selective in who I associate with. I personally don't consider most of the members here to be zoophiles. It seems to me the majority are just guys who want to see a woman with a non-human.

 

[DVDA]

Without any data, who knows?

To be fair, my opinion’s based on what I’ve seen in videos and comments sections of various zoo sites since the late 90s. It might be skewed, but I’ve seen many videos be warmly accepted even if the animal is showing clear annoyance, confusion, or fear. Some people don’t recognize abuse when it’s not overt.

Edit: My anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise, but I'm selective in who I associate with. I personally don't consider most of the members here to be zoophiles. It seems to me the majority are just guys who want to see a woman with a non-human.

Sadly, true. Just look at this part of the forum. It’s always “ladies, why do you like dogs?” “Ladies, would you have sex with a goat?” “How does the knot feel? WOMEN ONLY”, followed by replies that are all almost exclusively men. The M/Animals porn section is mostly homemade content, but go on the F/Animals sections and its all horny guys trying to stalk people (“who is she? Any more of her?”) and reposting their leaked zoo stuff.
Beastforum had its issues, sure, but at least they tried to tamp that down as often as possible. Here, and any other zoo site, it’s all you ever see.

 

[FloofyNewfie]

followed by replies that are all almost exclusively men.

That's almost correct. It's more like 2 or 3 replies from women or "women" and 25 horny ass dudes commenting effectively "OMG that's so hawt!!!!!!! Ur my dream girl!!!!"

 

[egoldstein]

To be fair, my opinion’s based on what I’ve seen in videos and comments sections of various zoo sites since the late 90s. It might be skewed, but I’ve seen many videos be warmly accepted even if the animal is showing clear annoyance, confusion, or fear. Some people don’t recognize abuse when it’s not overt.

I've seen that too, but having been a moderator at other places it's been my experience that those people and the typical zoophiles don't have a lot of overlap. You see a lot of the same names on those threads and I think more importantly, there are even more names you don't. Often a vocal group seems the norm due to the sampling bias of their visibility.

 

[DVDA]

I've seen that too, but having been a moderator at other places it's been my experience that those people and the typical zoophiles don't have a lot of overlap. You see a lot of the same names on those threads and I think more importantly, there are even more names you don't. Often a vocal group seems the norm due to the sampling bias of their visibility.

That's true. It's relatively rare to see people who keep the same name and online presence the same throughout the years. And even then, there's a high probability of fake accounts or other people attempting to pose as other well-known zoos.
It's inevitable, but it's also equally disappointing, that there's so few genuine zoophiles and animal-care activists in a sea of dirty perverts.

 

[Dulge]

Based on the -Legal- definition of "consent".. by law, nobody under the legal age of consent can give consent. Even those above the age of consent can have their right to consent revoked, sometimes even retroactively, if they're under 18.

So.. Nobody, by default has the -right- to even give consent. Right, let this concept sink in. You are not allowed to give somebody legal permission to have sex with you. Even if you say "Yes please", anybody who you have sex with is legally raping you.

If you are an adult, then you are -given- this right. If you are mentally vulnerable, drunk, high, psychotic, retarded etc, this right can be revoked, and anyone you had sex with during your time of vulnerability technically, legally raped you.

This isn't exactly how things are defined in the books, but I feel like it's an accurate representation of the attitude, or the "spirit of the law".

Now, as far as animals go, they can't consent. Not legally. They haven't been given that right. Animals have no rights, except for animal protection rights. The right to consent is not one of those rights.

That's the way it is. I don't necessarily agree with it, but that's how it is on the books, by law. Right or not, that's what the law is.

Cry all you want about how "animals totally can consent", show me all the videos of animals being horny (really, please do, it's kind of my kink). It doesn't matter. Your arguments are invalid. Legally, they can't consent.

Animals are in a peculiar place within the law. They are living, breathing creatures with thoughts, emotions, and free will. Yet they are treated as objects, resources, property.

This is where a lot of the anti-zoos draw the line. They say "it's wrong because the law says so". In reality, it's the law because people say it's wrong.

 

[Dulge]

Technically, having sex with an animal isn't really rape either. I don't think you can be charged with rape unless it's a human. The law doesn't really make any distinction between forcing yourself sexually upon an animal, vs dropping your pants and getting railed by a very enthusiastic and willing animal. It all falls under bestiality as far as the law is concerned, or "lewd acts of indecency" etc if there are no specific laws against bestiality in your region.

Be sure to remember folks, that just because bestiality isn't specifically illegal in a particular regeon, doesn't mean it's legally permissable. It doesn't mean bestiality is legally protected. You can still be charged under more broad terms.

 

[KerryKaverga]

Since animals cant tall, the only way to confirm femqle consent is if they start the thing

 

[egoldstein]

Since animals cant tall, the only way to confirm femqle consent is if they start the thing

Them initiating it isn't necessary, but one needs to understand the response (and respect it if that response is "no"). A man that speaks only German and a woman who speaks only Chinese can negotiate consent. They don't share a spoken language, but they have shared body language which each understands. If one if desires communication with another species, it pays to study their language to facilitate understanding. The better you understand the signals, the better you can express your intent.....and I don't mean "I want to fuck you", there's a lot more to say well before you get to that point.

 

[zooeth]

I’ve always wondered why people (non-zoo people to be precise) view animal sex as rape/non consensual

For male humans penetrating animals, I can understand. With my limited knowledge you can’t understand if an animal, whether male or female, consents to you penetrating/breeding it. So an argument about rape can be made here. But feel free to correct me if I’m wrong and there is a way to figure out if an animal consents or not.

But for male animals penetrating humans? I really don’t understand that. How is it rape if the animal is penetrating a person and having sex with them on their own, as in the person is not forcing them to do it? I don’t get why would people say this is rape if the animal clearly wants to do it and is enjoying its time.

I’d like to hear your opinions about it, in both matters.

The problem stems from animal rights activists. I'm sure if things were really scrutinized, people would be astounded at how messed UP everything is. The next time I am in court defending any zoo, the jurors will watch some passionate zoo porn. ?

 

[egoldstein]

The problem stems from animal rights activists. I'm sure if things were really scrutinized, people would be astounded at how messed UP everything is. The next time I am in court defending any zoo, the jurors will watch some passionate zoo porn. ?

Amusingly there's an Australian TV show, I believe it's "The Rake"(?), in which the lawyer shows and keeps showing a clip to desensitize the jury.

 

[Riotinthesheets2]

Even with male animals, there are several people who train or coerce their pets to do such acts. Some breeds of dogs will do anything to please their people, others are more standoffish and harder to force. But training can still occur in other ways. Slathering peanut butter or another food stuff on your parts to entice the dog to lick is training and coercion no matter which way you look at it.
If a human gets on all fours for the first time and the dog doesn't mount, the minute the human takes the dogs paws or body and places it on top, or uses their voice/hands to entice the dog to jump on the back, it is coercion. If the dog happens to jump up on their own and hit home, without any gestures or guidance from the human, it's not forced and natural. i

 

[Riotinthesheets2]

i also agree with female animals in regards to female animals being penetrated being rape. it is a lot harder to read a dog. From what I have seen on this forum, these owners barely grasp dog behavior as it is, assigning human emotions and behaviors to their dogs. Dogs flirt at certain times to certain dogs they want to mate with. When male humans force themselves on the female dogs alluding to their false idea that their pet is showing signs of wanting it because that is what the human is feeling, it is nothing short of rape. Panting is a sign of stress, so are whines, yelps, grumbles and low barks, it is not a sign of sexual arousal like a human female moaning during sex. this is an example of how these owners assign human emotions to dogs based on interactions with other humans. Dogs do not communicate the way we do, their signs are different.

 

[FloofyNewfie]

i also agree with female animals in regards to female animals being penetrated being rape. it is a lot harder to read a dog. From what I have seen on this forum, these owners barely grasp dog behavior as it is, assigning human emotions and behaviors to their dogs

There definitely are clear signals for when a female canine wishes to mate. For example: flagging, vulva twitching, and backing her rear end into you. With flagging she's basically telling you "you're allowed access to my genitals" with vulva twitching she's basically aligning her tract so that the male has easy access in.

My girl does this both in and out of heat. No matter how much you want to claim "All sex with female dogs is rape!" There's a lot of evidence that proves this statement as inaccurate. Does rape occur? Yes. Is all sex with female canines rape? No. And yes, whining, tail tucking, sitting, moving away from you, step dancing, and back slouching are all indicators that she's not interested and doesn't wish to be touched down there. Any seasoned zoophile that gives a damn about the consent of their female canine partner should be able to point out when they are or are not interested.

If any of my girls displays this type of aversion, sex doesn't occur. She's allowed to reject any and all advances. But, more often than not, my Newfie is usually interested because she's pretty much addicted to it. Like most women, an orgasm feels good. Sans medical alterations, women and canines share the same sexual organs. In the case of my doggy girl she normally has 2-3 orgasms. After the deed has been done we usually snuggle and cuddle. She appears to be in a blissful state.

Now tell me, does that sound like rape to you?

 

[egoldstein]

i also agree with female animals in regards to female animals being penetrated being rape. it is a lot harder to read a dog.

As @FloofyNewfie laid out, rape can happen, but not all sex is rape. It's the same with humans, it's possible to rape, but that doesn't mean every sexual encounter is rape, it's the communication that happens that differentiates it. They're adults with adult desires unless they've been neutered before adulthood/ppuberty (which itself opens a question on why sex is bad, but nobody asks if they want to be neutered, or if the cow wants to be butchered, etc). It's not at all hard to "read" a dog, but it does require a person to study and learn, to be cognizant of more than their own selfish desires, something I would expect any dogzoo who truly loves dogs to do as a part of wanting to be around dogs. Most people here aren't zoos, they're just here for porn or wanting to find a woman they can watch have sex with a dog.

 

[juan_doe_drei]

here's the point i always like to bring up ...

what about sex between two non-humans? a female non-human has to show that she consents to the male somehow, right? or all mating in the entire animal kingdom is rape. so why is it so impossible to believe that a female non-human can't show consent to a male of a different species? or a human, to be specific in our case?

 

[UR20Z]

here's the point i always like to bring up ...

what about sex between two non-humans? a female non-human has to show that she consents to the male somehow, right? or all mating in the entire animal kingdom is rape. so why is it so impossible to believe that a female non-human can't show consent to a male of a different species? or a human, to be specific in our case?

Too easy: That doesn't agree with the preconceived notion that causes people to claim that all human/animal sex is rape.
As in, "My mind is made up - don't bother me with facts".

 

[Budo]

Creo que es circunstancial. Es difícil explicar el consentimiento con respecto a los animales, pero creo que es consensuado cuando un perro macho inicia el quién, intentando ansiosamente empujar su polla lasciva dentro de mí. En todo caso, los perros son más parecidos a los violadores, ya que no dejarán de criarme si cambio de opinión a la mitad y trato de retractarme, o si me duelen sus embestidas brutales y descuidadas.

Hola, respeto tu opinión. No comparto que compares un instinto animal con un perro y agrego que el ser humano fue así en el desarrollo de nuestra evolución ha cambiado
pero el violador actúa para su satisfacción personal de una manera no consentida y agresiva, lo que generalmente se suma al daño.