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Why do people think sex with animals is rape?

To my best understanding, it's their requirements for conscious sentience.

Basically, the same reason screwing someone with downs syndrome is frowned upon.

I, personally, go based on sexual identity.

If it could theoretically rape, it can be raped. You can't rape a chair because it lacks the ability to hold an identity sexually. Identities can be as simple as "I am ___. I like sex. Sex feels good."

If they're capable of recognizing the above and are mature physically and mentally, I see no issue.


Other people don't consider sexual identity, so when they think of bestiality, they treat it like they do with mentally stunted people.
 
Courier said:
I’ve always wondered why people (non-zoo people to be precise) view animal sex as rape/non consensual

For male humans penetrating animals, I can understand. With my limited knowledge you can’t understand if an animal, whether male or female, consents to you penetrating/breeding it. So an argument about rape can be made here. But feel free to correct me if I’m wrong and there is a way to figure out if an animal consents or not.

But for male animals penetrating humans? I really don’t understand that. How is it rape if the animal is penetrating a person and having sex with them on their own, as in the person is not forcing them to do it? I don’t get why would people say this is rape if the animal clearly wants to do it and is enjoying its time.

I’d like to hear your opinions about it, in both matters.
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It's an archaic concept where "they" believe that an animal does not have the cognitive capacity for complex thought, and therefore is unable to consent.

Their concept of "complex thought" can be extracted from this scenario.
A wolf is a predatory pack animal, and they'll think like pack animals. If they see a human family, their instinct is to separate one of them, preferably one that will not fight back...which is usually a child. What wolves are not capable of is the foresight that if they do ambush and eat a child, then they should expect a horde of humans 10 times the size of the family they initially encountered to come and wipe the entire pack out.

I know it's a pretty macabre thing to say, but that's just a window into their thought processes.
 
Most people have no idea how an animal's sexuality works.

For example, take a horny mare who is begging for the nearest male to breed her. They wouldn't even know that, when a mare winks profusely, she is showing a readiness to mate. Non-zoos can't really process the thought that she might want to be satisfied, or they may think that only a stallion can do the job.

If you were to tell a non-zoo that a human male could fill the role of a stallion, they would think you're crazy at best, a rapist at worst. They just can't fathom the possibility of an animal enjoying sexual contact from us humans. It boils down to ignorance and viewing animals as exclusive to their own species.
 
Courier said:
Guess that’s where the fun is though, right?
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Uhhh... According to Manfred Mann and his Earth Band, the fun is in the eyes of the sun.

"Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun...
But mama... That's where the fun is!"

Of course, Manfred and his buddies kinda got Blinded by the Light (Not to mention revved up like a deuce - another runner in the night)
 
Firstly, I would say that there are the arguments given by the people that have never taken the time to think of that issue. In that case that the animals can't express consent or lack the faculty to form it. Thoses arguments fall short since it is hard to get why would consent only be applied to non-reproductive sexually motivated acts. For example, what about horses consent to being ridden ? Taking the argument of the absence of consent seriously would mean defending an abolitionnist approach.

For the few that have taken the time to think about zoophilia, the main argument which is close to what @Kazegami said would be that the person having sex with animals is taking advantage of his position to do so. Technically the sole fact of being able to own an animal implies that there is tolerance over the risk caused by the dependance of animals to it's owner.
One approach is to say that bestiality implies sexual interaction with a being on a position of inferiority and dependance and that therefore, even if the animals are taking pleasure from it, they are reduced to sexual objects and thus their dignity is violated.

My critic to this last argument is that it lacks links with reality. Taking again the example of the horse that is being ridden, one could argue that it is being reduced as an object, (here as a means of transportation) but it seems to be the case that such a fact is not sufficient to justify a ban. In my opinion, to justify such a policy, one would have to prouve the existence of psychological impacts on animals that are more severe that the ones that are usually inflicted due to "general handling" (breeding, riding, etc.).

Those who don't think that bestiality is per se rape simply justify bestiality bans by the fact that zoophilia is still considered by some a deviancy and a sexual perversion with a high risk of comorbidities. Their reasonning implies that if bestiality doesn't necessarily constitute rape, the corrupted and perversed nature of zoophiles mean that will mistreat their animals...
 
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Mare Lover 1975 said:
The old double standard of female animals can't consent nor want sex much less enjoy it is as much BS as the argument that all animal sex must be rape itself.

You said it yourself that it can't be rape if the animal is clearly enjoying it, female animals enjoy sex just as much as humans do and are just as capable of having multiple orgasms from sex or foreplay, and will actively seek those who can give them pleasure.

Female animals consent in their own ways just like they would with a male of their own species, learning their body language is a must for any and all lovers of female animals, and equines and canines are perfectly capable of saying no and enforcing it, my mare could easily cripple or kill me with a single kick yet she is the one who starts our sexual activities more often than not.
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So how can you convince others it's not rape
 
Imagine youre from America. Imagine you take a trip to France. You meet a sexy man/woman who doesnt speak English and you dont dont speak French, yet you end up having sex. How do you know they consented if you cant understand their language?

Thats how this works.
 
Lisalee said:
In my opinion m human and f dog sex can be rape because it can be misunderstood and it usually goes this way. But human f and animal m is never rape because animals push them self on doing sex and it's more natural.
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Keep telling yourself that.

Post in thread 'The abusive porn cleanup project' https://www.zoovilleforum.net/threads/the-abusive-porn-cleanup-project.26696/post-1057790

There's been tons of videos removed of women raping male dogs or otherwise sexually abusing them.
 
As if misuse, abuse or rape were ever based on a specific sexual constellation..
Life is not that simple and abuse can occur in all types of sexual encounters, no matter the sex of participants. ?‍♂️
 
Regarding the self-serving solitude of humans he is quite right.
But this doesn't even include self-serving of all humans similar, they tend to categorize in ways smaller target-assigned groups or even individuals.

And being somewhat troll-ish like our beloved @Reconscope (even if just as a boxing bag for some) proves this quite well: he is the insufferable sack of shit - still human tho - which in the opinion of many best would be excluded from the right to live, eat, exist.. whatever. :husky_wink:

Best example of why self-serving solitude is based on individual opinions (and the potential power connected to those).

Reconscope said:
Dogs are better people than people normally.
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They are better animals, not people. Humans are worse animals. And sometimes they resemble people, but more often I wonder if there's a kill-switch integrated in this flaw of logic called "people" which I could use to.. :husky_ohmy:
 
YanchaOkami said:
Regarding the self-serving solitude of humans he is quite right.
But this doesn't even include self-serving of all humans similar, they tend to categorize in ways smaller target-assigned groups or even individuals.

And being somewhat troll-ish like our beloved @Reconscope (even if just as a boxing bag for some) proves this quite well: he is the insufferable sack of shit - still human tho - which in the opinion of many best would be excluded from the right to live, eat, exist.. whatever. :husky_wink:

Best example of why self-serving solitude is based on individual opinions (and the potential power connected to those).



They are better animals, not people. Humans are worse animals. And sometimes they resemble people, but more often I wonder if there's a kill-switch integrated in this flaw of logic called "people" which I could use to.. :husky_ohmy:
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Yes they have a bigger heart than people realize besides their primal nature. If only there is a "kill switch" to those who actually promotes suffering. You're right about this part ??

We just have to develop the right button.
 
Courier said:
I’ve always wondered why people (non-zoo people to be precise) view animal sex as rape/non consensual

For male humans penetrating animals, I can understand. With my limited knowledge you can’t understand if an animal, whether male or female, consents to you penetrating/breeding it. So an argument about rape can be made here. But feel free to correct me if I’m wrong and there is a way to figure out if an animal consents or not.

But for male animals penetrating humans? I really don’t understand that. How is it rape if the animal is penetrating a person and having sex with them on their own, as in the person is not forcing them to do it? I don’t get why would people say this is rape if the animal clearly wants to do it and is enjoying its time.

I’d like to hear your opinions about it, in both matters.
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educate yourself kid
 
ijustlikewatchinglol said:
reconscope is a sad sad man

nothing more than that
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Not the worst thing to be. Maybe he's even happy being labeled the sad sad man, who knows.

BTT:
Regarding sex with animals and "rape" it's proven repeatedly that it doesn't have to be rape and that animals are easily capable of signalling / showing their interests or disinterest. ?‍♂️

For humans it is quite easily possible to rape - true. But as this is not a necessary feat in any sexual relationship between humans and sexual partner X - human or animal - it's just projection of what one wants to see reestablished as an imaginary proof if statements like "human sex A and animal sex B are (mostly) rape!" occur.

They are not relevant in reality, a "possibility that rape might occur physically" doesn't mean sh*t for individual relationships on a sexual level. ?‍♂️

And as such: if rape occurs, then the individuals participating in it are to be judged, not "constellation X of animal / human" universally.
 
YanchaOkami said:
Not the worst thing to be. Maybe he's even happy being labeled the sad sad man, who knows.

BTT:
Regarding sex with animals and "rape" it's proven repeatedly that it doesn't have to be rape and that animals are easily capable of signalling / showing their interests or disinterest. ?‍♂️

For humans it is quite easily possible to rape - true. But as this is not a necessary feat in any sexual relationship between humans and sexual partner X - human or animal - it's just projection of what one wants to see reestablished as an imaginary proof if statements like "human sex A and animal sex B are (mostly) rape!" occur.

They are not relevant in reality, a "possibility that rape might occur physically" doesn't mean sh*t for individual relationships on a sexual level. ?‍♂️

And as such: if rape occurs, then the individuals participating in it are to be judged, not "constellation X of animal / human" universally.
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I just need a doggy girl similar how I had my mate and I will have some semblance of happiness again.

I know for a fact humans can't fulfill that. It's mostly temporary anyways
 
Reconscope said:
I just need a doggy girl similar how I had my mate and I will have some semblance of happiness again.

I know for a fact humans can't fulfill that. It's mostly temporary anyways
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Good thing you have found some goals!

But be honest with yourself: doesn't such a "community" which mostly consists of purely incompatible types of humans (due to the matter of fact that their animals don't write here) just keep you from reaching your goals?

I'm online once all 1-6 weeks nowadays and that's something okay, even if most I see each time is a further bunch of stacks and dumps of useless crap, which motivates me into building another array of twelve more facepalm-robotic arms to do just what is necessary in this situation without having to use my own arms. ?‍♂️

Probably should just close the tab and forget about this, it never worked out fine in the last 30+ years and it never will work out fine due to conflict-ridden humans craving for one thing or another.

One solution to permanently avoid useless topics like "ain't this always rape?" "can't the animals / humans get pregnant?" "who wants to meet / mate / love me?" and so on would probably be a strictly science-based knowledge platform like ScienceDirect which doesn't support individual opinions but research studies related to the relevant zoosexual topics.

But I am quite sure this is a) offtopic (even if the rape aspect still relates to the topic) and b) the people mostly craving in such a platform won't be interested in reading scientific studies all so much, let alone starting studies them self.


As such my thoughts related to your unfortunately gone doggy girl and you: write your goals on a paper note and nail it to your bed rooms door frame - from both sides. Keep focus on reaching those goals: find a new dog girl, find happiness in life.

And such & soon all those useless topics here lose their importance, their relevance for your existence. That's a good thing. Leave who ever needs this stuff just here to "enjoy" it - who cares. ?‍♂️
 
YanchaOkami said:
Good thing you have found some goals!

But be honest with yourself: doesn't such a "community" which mostly consists of purely incompatible types of humans (due to the matter of fact that their animals don't write here) just keep you from reaching your goals?

I'm online once all 1-6 weeks nowadays and that's something okay, even if most I see each time is a further bunch of stacks and dumps of useless crap, which motivates me into building another array of twelve more facepalm-robotic arms to do just what is necessary in this situation without having to use my own arms. ?‍♂️

Probably should just close the tab and forget about this, it never worked out fine in the last 30+ years and it never will work out fine due to conflict-ridden humans craving for one thing or another.

One solution to permanently avoid useless topics like "ain't this always rape?" "can't the animals / humans get pregnant?" "who wants to meet / mate / love me?" and so on would probably be a strictly science-based knowledge platform like ScienceDirect which doesn't support individual opinions but research studies related to the relevant zoosexual topics.

But I am quite sure this is a) offtopic (even if the rape aspect still relates to the topic) and b) the people mostly craving in such a platform won't be interested in reading scientific studies all so much, let alone starting studies them self.


As such my thoughts related to your unfortunately gone doggy girl and you: write your goals on a paper note and nail it to your bed rooms door frame - from both sides. Keep focus on reaching those goals: find a new dog girl, find happiness in life.

And such & soon all those useless topics here lose their importance, their relevance for your existence. That's a good thing. Leave who ever needs this stuff just here to "enjoy" it - who cares. ?‍♂️
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If it means anything you're important to me (in terms of advice and stuff). But yes that's going to be my focus
 
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