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The abusive porn cleanup project

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underdoge said:
I believe a dog is intelligent enough to not get "tricked" by yogurt and to make an informed choice of what to do for himself.
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Have you read the article I posted above?

Training animals for sex

1. Training animals for sex. 2. Preventing animals from requesting sex in awkward moments. 1. Training animals for sex with people: This question does come up from time to time and people often have different opinions about it. I am going to present an explanation of what it means to train...
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The problem of training behaviors is not that you are tricking an animal to do something but that you are making the animal to do something it may not want to do. The informed choice here will be that the reward is more valuable than avoiding the discomfort of lets say having a bath or cutting the nails.
Using these methods to train sexual behaviors will take away the choice to not engage in the action. If a dog does not want to lick you then using bait to overcome it means that the reward is more valuable because it is tasty than avoiding the licking of something that maybe does not smell appetizing.
It is shifting the informed choice to a different subject.
On top of that once training is completed a failure to fulfill a command is perceived as a potentially punishable and generally undesirable outcome by the animal making refusal difficult because the owner will be unhappy about it which the animal does not want to happen.

All of this is fine for behaviors which are necessary like calling your dog back on the street, but completely wrong in sex which is supposed to be a mutually agreed and pleasurable experience.
All of this is explained in the article, please read it.
 
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underdoge said:
I don't want to derail this thread any further. If you want to continue talking about it over pm that would be okay with me.
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Thanks of preventing unnecessary conflict and igniting a dumpster fire.

Finally the decision whether to remove any content depends on the opinion of the moderator who is reviewing the report. None of these people have been involved in this animal training discussion.
If you feel that some content should be explicitly allowed by the rules, absolutely feel free to take this request to one of the administrators who are in charge of the rules. Current rules do not explicitly prohibit the use of bait for licking or training for sex unless it falls under "forced sex" of Media Content Rules which depends on the opinion of the moderator.
If you want to continue this discussion with mods, feel free to create a separate thread for it.
 
In my opinion the line of reasoning that a dog only follows his instinct when licking something he likes of a surface and is therefor forced to lick is flawed and follows a very crude model of how any animal acts. Actually how can you call yourself a zoo if you basically think an animal is a kind of machine with a behavior forced on it by overriding simple programs ? Why would sex be an exception in any case at all ? Sex is viewed as an instinct by those who believe in that crude "instinct" hypothesis that honest science only uses in a very lax way as it simply would conflict with reality too often otherwise. You're basically using anti-zoo reasoning here while mentally excepting everything you do from the picture.
 
Ookami said:
In my opinion the line of reasoning that a dog only follows his instinct when licking something he likes of a surface and is therefor forced to lick is flawed and follows a very crude model of how any animal acts. Actually how can you call yourself a zoo if you basically think an animal is a kind of machine with a behavior forced on it by overriding simple programs ? Why would sex be an exception in any case at all ? Sex is viewed as an instinct by those who believe in that crude "instinct" hypothesis that honest science only uses in a very lax way as it simply would conflict with reality too often otherwise. You're basically using anti-zoo reasoning here while mentally excepting everything you do from the picture.
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who said sex is an exception tho? "i fuck because it feels good" sounds pretty instinctive to me.
 
Bulldogbitch said:
PEOPLE FUCKING ANIMALS IN THE ASS. It drives me insane. Animals being fucked in the ass is very clearly forced. It’s ridiculous
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When you find content that you consider abusive, use the report button and have the content reviewed. Making broad claims here is not going to help. This is not how the moderation works here, you have to go and report the bad content.
 
Well, there are videos of him chaining up his dogs, hitting and clearly raping them, also forcing a cucumber in a male sheppies ass that is furious at that - also of him binding that sheppy to a table, when I remember correctly using a lighter on his balls, binding his fore legs behind his back and raping him. As far as I heard he later threw that sheppy down the stairs where he died of his injuries :( He's one of the most prominent animal abusers known. Also went to jail and since then nothing has been heard - I think because he didn't delete the exif data from a vid or pic.
 
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So we will see how that thread goes then. My guess is we will never hear from that guy again. @FloofyNewfie what is the official statement regarding this particular user and his content?
 
pes said:
Can we get a second opinion on this:
Thanks.
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Were you asking a mod to give such an opinion or can anyone offer said opinion?
If the former ignore the rest, if the latter here's my two cents
He does have the girls wrist in his mouth at the start, but shows no sign of trying to bite.
Having his hips splade that widely with one paw being held down is not really the best for him, but his other leg seems free so his body can still rotate enough to keep him out of pain. His tail is still and down which suggests indifference to me rather than pleasure at what is happening. He seems to be moving his head around a bit so he might be a little wrestless, but he didn't seem to be pushing her away with his front paws. You can't really tell if he is erect or not so that also complicates things, but the penis root/flexible part can handle the movement she is performing, if he really is inside her. I would say it's not the best, but I don't know if I would call it abuse so I'm on the fence.
 
pes said:
That is why I am asking exactly.
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Yeah sorry about that, all those words and no help in deciding.

So out of interest when in doubt is it usual to allow or to remove the material? I guess you may not be able to answer that, it might be a question for a higher power, perhaps there is an extra floofy Newfie in the neighbourhood.
 
Ookami said:
why delete something when you can't find any evidence of abuse ? That's just absurd.
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No, it's the question. What started it is people posting little edited snips out of larger vids. People who have seen the larger vid say "shortly after the short posted here ends, the dog cries out in pain and tries to escape." The part of the vid posted here doesn't contain that so is it okay to post? The dog had to be hurt to make it even if we don't see it. What level of proof should be required? Is the reputation of the maker enough? How about the poster?
 
Ookami said:
why delete something when you can't find any evidence of abuse ? That's just absurd.
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One of the purposes of this thread is this:
pes said:
If you are not sure, post a link to the thread in here so others can review it and help with making the right decision.
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I posted the knot riding link here exactly for this reason. I am not going to report it because I am not sure.
 
caikgoch said:
No, it's the question. What started it is people posting little edited snips out of larger vids. People who have seen the larger vid say "shortly after the short posted here ends, the dog cries out in pain and tries to escape." The part of the vid posted here doesn't contain that so is it okay to post? The dog had to be hurt to make it even if we don't see it. What level of proof should be required? Is the reputation of the maker enough? How about the poster?
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Well the fact the dog was harmed or suffered beyond what we can see in this short edit does sway me off my fence sitting onto the remove the material side of the fence. From what we could see, I considered the vid to be borderline anyway, so if it is KNOWN to be part of a video that contains abuse then I say it should be removed. I guess it all comes down to being able to prove that the animal was harmed in the making of the video in its entirety, as that becomes an issue over just taking the word of someone who claims to have seen the abuse outside of the section that has been uploaded.

This actually makes me think of what I do sometimes that falls into this catagory (not my own videos mind you, just stuff I've found online) For example a video with a woman using a stallion dick just as a prop, but then he briefly gets hard when she accidentally did something he liked. I might trim 30 minutes down to the 30 seconds he actually showed signs of being aroused. Because then I don't have to think about the other 29 and a half minutes where the stallion could care less about what the woman was doing. So while I wouldn't up load this trimmed clip myself because I know the rest of the events around the trimmed clip. I can see how someone could upload such a thing, thinking it was fine to do so. Thus I think this matter is a slime filled bucket of worms and very hard to get a grip on how to handle it.

So after consideration I have decided to lean towards a hard line, if abuse can be shown to have occurred during the making of a video even if it is not shown in the portion uploaded, a report should still be able to be submitted if the claim of abuse can be substantiated.
 
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caikgoch said:
No, it's the question. What started it is people posting little edited snips out of larger vids. People who have seen the larger vid say "shortly after the short posted here ends, the dog cries out in pain and tries to escape." The part of the vid posted here doesn't contain that so is it okay to post? The dog had to be hurt to make it even if we don't see it. What level of proof should be required? Is the reputation of the maker enough? How about the poster?
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In that case usually someone knows the whole video and then you could say "maybe he's lying" - but in cases like k9bitchlover or others the vids are readily available - Know I've scrolled past some on the site that shouldn't be mentioned and in such a case nothing against removing the vids that were cut together so beastforum wouldn't delete them back then.
 
pes said:
No actually, the majority of content I reported and that was removed was from the women with dogs and women with horses sections. It makes sense as those are the sections that get the most uploads.

In fact it does not matter which section you choose to review content from. All of them have the same potential to contain bad content.
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I'd add that basically any vid of the dog facing away with his dick backwards is not only retarded but the dog clearly is like "yo wtf I just wanna watch telly"

The biggest joke is that these videos have titles like "Dog fucks his owner!! "

Like.. Lol no. No he's not. He can't even be bothered to be facing the same direction you're in! Lol!
 
avocado said:
I'd add that basically any vid of the dog facing away with his dick backwards is not only retarded but the dog clearly is like "yo wtf I just wanna watch telly"

The biggest joke is that these videos have titles like "Dog fucks his owner!! "

Like.. Lol no. No he's not. He can't even be bothered to be facing the same direction you're in! Lol!
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Hun that's called a Tie. Canines of all sorts do it all the time, even in the wild.
 
avocado said:
Explain more? I didn't know this. I just assumed the dog was bored.
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So I haven't done any research on it in a while, but it was theorized it was a way for both pairs to be able to keep a look out and defend themselves if necessary from any threats. But after a canine gets his knot in and is settled, the male will turn around and face the other direction. He's still got his knot in, still pumping semen into the female. But it's not too common in porn (as I've seen at least) because with dogs and women, the male usually pops out of the woman while he's trying to turn.
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VesperThorns said:
So I haven't done any research on it in a while, but it was theorized it was a way for both pairs to be able to keep a look out and defend themselves if necessary from any threats. But after a canine gets his knot in and is settled, the male will turn around and face the other direction. He's still got his knot in, still pumping semen into the female. But it's not too common in porn (as I've seen at least) because with dogs and women, the male usually pops out of the woman while he's trying to turn.
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Thanks for taking the time.
 
avocado said:
I'd add that basically any vid of the dog facing away with his dick backwards is not only retarded but the dog clearly is like "yo wtf I just wanna watch telly"

The biggest joke is that these videos have titles like "Dog fucks his owner!! "

Like.. Lol no. No he's not. He can't even be bothered to be facing the same direction you're in! Lol!
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No actually. This position is completely natural for dogs. Watch some dog mating to see how it works. The male does the humping and then jumps off and turns 180 away from the female. They stay in this position for a while until the knot deflates.
 
VesperThorns said:
So I haven't done any research on it in a while, but it was theorized it was a way for both pairs to be able to keep a look out and defend themselves if necessary from any threats. But after a canine gets his knot in and is settled, the male will turn around and face the other direction. He's still got his knot in, still pumping semen into the female. But it's not too common in porn (as I've seen at least) because with dogs and women, the male usually pops out of the woman while he's trying to turn.
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it's very common in male/male vids that go past humping (so mostly amateur stuff, "professional" porn only focuses on the humping parts for some reason). women can't really hold a tie during vaginal intercourse because they're missing a ring of muscle canine gals have specifically for this purpose. anus is a good substitute for that ring.

kinda makes men better at dog sex by default :ROFLMAO:
 
nekdoneco123 said:
it's very common in male/male vids that go past humping (so mostly amateur stuff, "professional" porn only focuses on the humping parts for some reason). women can't really hold a tie during vaginal intercourse because they're missing a ring of muscle canine gals have specifically for this purpose. anus is a good substitute for that ring.

kinda makes men better at dog sex by default :ROFLMAO:
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Women feature an anus, too. ;)
 
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