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Opinions on neutering?

MashaSobaka said:
It is not enough that there are states where neuter is mandatory, there is strong propaganda in other states as well (much stronger than in Europe)
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I blame Bob Barker. 35 Years of Price is Right episodes, and after every single one he told America to go spay and neuter their pets.
 
I’m my opinion, unless you’re a certified animal breeder, pets should be fixed (or at least have vasectomies and whatever is the female equivalent). All my companions have had long, happy and healthy lives with no health or behavioral issues after being fixed
 
DogLovinVixen said:
I’m my opinion, unless you’re a certified animal breeder, pets should be fixed (or at least have vasectomies and whatever is the female equivalent). All my companions have had long, happy and healthy lives with no health or behavioral issues after being fixed
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What the fuck?
99.9% of zoos want to have fully sex with their dog, so there are understandable reasons for the opposition.
Sex-compatible neutered makes no sense (vasectomy, OSS), because they do not protect against sex diseases (breast cancer, ovarian cancer, prostate cancer, testicular cancer, falsepregnancy). What the hell is the point of such an neutered operation then? Nothing.

The only reason I can think of when these make sense is when the idiot owner fetish on the mating dogs. In the case of OSS or vasectomy there will be no puppies, but there is still mating. ?

amorousdog5 said:
I blame Bob Barker. 35 Years of Price is Right episodes, and after every single one he told America to go spay and neuter their pets.
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Chickenshit face idiot Bob. And this dude is still alive at 99 years old... The spirits of all the neutered animals will torment this filth in hell.
 
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MashaSobaka said:
The problem is that the average non-zoo person is an idiot, a fanatic. You can say anything to them and they will still answer that sterilization is good. I have written a lot of comments in such cases in recent years, it made no sense at all, because nothing can be done against a fanatic.

Im exclzoo.:gsd_wink:

This is true. If someone is very patient and skillful, they can compare the comments based on word usage and sentence structure. With this method I found a lot of zoophiles on Facebook who speak my native language.
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Win win. Exclusives get Best of both worlds as well as contribute to the well-being of animal welfare
 
nekdoneco123 said:
are you seriously asking if any person asks themselves "isn't there too many ppl?" before creating new life with their partner? or think what that does to the eco system? or do it "on purpose" to overpopulate more? are you off your meds again?
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Actually yes. Do people actually just overpopulate the world on purpose. The world does need a ethically placed population limit. (similar to half Life series of the anti reproduction field that suppresses The mating instinct)
 
It's just another one of those things that's significantly worse for most animals than consensual interspecies sex, yet is paradoxically considered legally and morally acceptable by the general population simply because it would be inconvenient for them otherwise
 
Horsephile said:
It's just another one of those things that's significantly worse for most animals than consensual interspecies sex, yet is paradoxically considered legally and morally acceptable by the general population simply because it would be inconvenient for them otherwise
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Absolutely well said.

Unless there is a distinct health reason for me to desex/neuter then I won't do it. My boy is the only one that had to be done in my current pack, purely because it was necessary. I couldn't be around 100% of the time to ensure he doesn't mount the girls when they are in heat (not that it stops him, he still mounts and has fun lol)
 
MashaSobaka said:
What the fuck?
99.9% of zoos want to have fully sex with their dog, so there are understandable reasons for the opposition.
Sex-compatible neutered makes no sense (vasectomy, OSS), because they do not protect against sex diseases (breast cancer, ovarian cancer, prostate cancer, testicular cancer, falsepregnancy). What the hell is the point of such an neutered operation then? Nothing.

The only reason I can think of when these make sense is when the idiot owner fetish on the mating dogs. In the case of OSS or vasectomy there will be no puppies, but there is still mating. ?


Chickenshit face idiot Bob. And this dude is still alive at 99 years old... The spirits of all the neutered animals will torment this filth in hell.
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Barker died sometime in the last 24 hours....and I think there is an obsession here....yours. If a vasectomy or tubal ligation is available, its a heathier option than a neuter, if for no other reason than that it is less invasive and does little to change body chemistry. That in itself offers some protection agains all the problems you cite. Puppies are not a small issue. Prevention of pregnancy prevents dogs being born to be euthanized....there's no downside.

Barker was not a hero, but he was consistent. The technology available, spay and neuter, was the state of the art for most of his life. Advocating for things you believe in is not a sin, bud. He didnt do surgeries, and his listeners were all free to take or leave his advice. He was not the villain you want to make him.
 
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amorousdog5 said:
Masha, did you just kill Bob Barker? Be honest.
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No, but all people deserve it who cover up their mental injuries/sexual dissatisfaction with a mania for neutering and then lie about being an animal protector.
Animal protection and animal welfare have nothing to do with neutering.
 
MashaSobaka said:
No, but all people deserve it who cover up their mental injuries/sexual dissatisfaction with a mania for neutering and then lie about being an animal protector.
Animal protection and animal welfare have nothing to do with neutering.
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That depends on your point of view. Interesting analysis....Probably a good thing you dont run the world; most of us would be dead already.
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saddlebum66 said:
That depends on your point of view. Interesting analysis....Probably a good thing you dont run the world; most of us would be dead already.
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No need for drama bro.
If people like Bob ruled the world, zoophilia would not exist and we would all be in prison or in the electric chair.
And no, a vasectomy does not protect against any disease. Puppies are taken care of by a decent zoophile, because does not allow the dog to mate with other dogs.
Don't associate irresponsible pet owners with zoophiles, we have nothing to do with that.
Neutering is a sin. If you like it, if you don't like it. Topic closed.
 
MashaSobaka said:
No need for drama bro.
If people like Bob ruled the world, zoophilia would not exist and we would all be in prison or in the electric chair.
And no, a vasectomy does not protect against any disease. Puppies are taken care of by a decent zoophile, because does not allow the dog to mate with other dogs.
Don't associate irresponsible pet owners with zoophiles, we have nothing to do with that.
Neutering is a sin. If you like it, if you don't like it. Topic closed.
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Oh...you are a mod now? Im not a x-tian bud... no such thing as a sin. AND least invasive surgery is less debilitating. In that sense, it prevents other issues. You may not like it, but others have opinions differing from your priestly pronouncements.

The world is changing, wilyou, nilyou. In ten years its possible you wont be able to own a dog, unless its been neutered. You may be forced into that compromise because you cannot hide a dog.

A Decent Zoophile? I suppose I have to give my dog a promise ring and set a date? Most people who own dogs have taught them to deny bodily functions until the workday is done. All by itself that, by your standard, may preclude "decency".
Any surgery, bud, runs a risk of infection, if nothing else. The less time a body is open, the less risk there is. Keeping an eye on a dog in heat is a great idea....normal people often miss the signs...In many places in the US, there are actual laws saying you should be monitoring your bitches, and there are fines on a sliding scale for repeat offenses....they date from the creation of the ASPCA.....how many people know that?....Not many.

What works for you may not be a solution for anyone else. Not everyone is Supermensch.
 
bobbybobz said:
My family is much for neutering animals as a form of population and behavior control. I disagree, thinking neutering is pretty fucked up, because there are better alternatives like vasectomies or training your dog use a something else to mount on. When they need to release. (I’m just saying this because it’s not generally common for people to let dogs mount humans)

Idk, what are your opinions on this?
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Supressing hormones destroys their health, that should never be done. You open ground for metabolic diseases.
 
saddlebum66 said:
You may not like it, but others have opinions differing from your priestly pronouncements.
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Do not make me laugh sapling, you don't accept my opinion exactly the same way I don't accept yours. So we are the same. I think my opinion is better, and you think yours is better. It's two nukes detonated against each other. Does not make sense. Let's finish.
 
MashaSobaka said:
Do not make me laugh sapling, you don't accept my opinion exactly the same way I don't accept yours. So we are the same. I think my opinion is better, and you think yours is better. It's two nukes detonated against each other. Does not make sense. Let's finish.
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It's not so much that you disagree, but how you disagree. Your arguments have the edge of rabid fanaticism, to the point where you are demonizing anyone not carrying your same viewpoint:

MashaSobaka said:
No, but all people deserve it who cover up their mental injuries/sexual dissatisfaction with a mania for neutering and then lie about being an animal protector.
Animal protection and animal welfare have nothing to do with neutering.
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You claim Bob Barker "lied" about being an animal protector, yet on more than one occasion he damaged his career for the sake of his principles in protecting animals. Did you know he stepped down as host for the Miss USA pageant, a role that had been his for 20 years, because the producers would not remove fur coats as prizes to the winners? The fact is he was doing the best he could for animals with the information he had, and at the time it was believed that spay and neuter were the most ethical things to do to control pet population.
 
nekdoneco123 said:
what situation tho? the only situation where spay/neuter is the correct action is health issue. other things (ie: behavioral issues) can and should be solved by other means. sadly, simply snipping him/ripping her insides out is the quickest permanent solution and ppl generally prefer those... even though it can not yield the expected results (ie: a dog stays aggressive after neuter). weird that mutilation is usually the first advice one gets for "how to make my dog less aggressive". not to mention that a spay for example can result in the girl being incontinent for the rest of her life.
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and I also mention incontinence for early or late neutered males... Just from lived experiences...
 
Personally I'm not against the spaying and neutering of say feral cats to control their populations and such. For behavioral reasons... not so much. I've only had spayed and neutered dogs, but that's because the shelter did that before I got them If I had a choice, for a pet animal, I definitely wouldn't. For ethical reasons but also for sexual ones though
 
my dog is 8 now with severe BPH (benign prostatic hyperplasty) and none of the vets including ones at the ER are willing or able to prescribe the only alternative to neutering him. It is a pharmaceutical called Finasteride and it is used in dogs and humans to treat the same condition. It disables the metabolic pathway that turns testosterone into dihydratestosterone or some shit that is directly linked to swelling of the prostate. I'm at my wits end about what to do about it and after much tears I have scheduled my boy for neuter in 3 weeks time. I feel like an incompetent monster being unable to find a solution that does not involve mutilation but i've already spent $1100 on vets only to get stupid shit everyone knows will not work. like antibiotics, probiotics, steroids and painkillers, xrays.

tldr I recommend not neutering and before your dog is 4 or 5 find a vet that knows what finasteride is, lest your dog become unable to poop. allegedly BPH happens in ~70%+ of intact male dogs, ~6+ years of age.

this to me only emphasizes the enormity of the neuter problem in today's veterinary world.

/sad

p.s. if you're in oregon and have a non-backwards vet, i'd love to hear about them. feel free to DM
 
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Wow, hot topic going to toss my 2 cents in. As that applies to the male, and being male. Wouldn't want that done to me. But... as to dogs, there are way to many in shelters and being put down. Same with cats. Unless dog is a pure breed, from champion blood lines, and going to be used as a stud. Or a personal lover, who you will take full responsibility for any boo boos, going to have to say needs it. I don't like it but it's a sad fact that if not done to many wonderful animals have to be killed.
 
unless there is specific health reasons as to why a dog is to be neutered, I hate it. i have heard some breeds when desexed too early can cause cancer related problems and other stuff much later down the track so i would rather let them fully grow before even thinking about doing so
 
Horsephile said:
It's just another one of those things that's significantly worse for most animals than consensual interspecies sex, yet is paradoxically considered legally and morally acceptable by the general population simply because it would be inconvenient for them otherwise
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Hear hear, it is often worse, especially for male animals to neuter due to the health implicstions in later life, obviously there is the risk of pyro in female canines but it is often a mutilation under the guise of convenience or behaviour modification, no one looks to neuter human teenagers when they start to get randy, it's just 'natural behaviour'
 
Ok so if everyone is so against the neutering, I am but considering it due to the aggressiveness and dominance issues it causing. I’ve tried everything under the Sun the the dog is just so stubborn. Everyone says fixing him will help and calm him down a bit.
 
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