SigmaTheZeta
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
And when you get right down to it, I find the entire factory farming scene to be rather seedy, anyhow.
I am very scared of the vegan movement, they will try to take our right away to have companion animals.
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FeralLovin'
Citizen of Zooville
Ah, I also saw where someone wanted to start out serving it in upscale restaurants. I don't eat out or own a suit, so I'll have to wait for the store bought option.
SigmaTheZeta
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I might think about it differently if animals that were being raised for meat were allowed to form unions.
After all, I am a socialist.
After all, I am a socialist.
SigmaTheZeta
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
@FeralLovin' would you say that your animals on your family farm would be allowed to form a union if they wanted to?
FeralLovin'
Citizen of Zooville
I'm not sure how that would work, but I suppose they can.
SigmaTheZeta
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Works for me.
The farmer I get my duck eggs from says her ducks have been on strike for weeks. I have been missing my homemade duck-egg mayonnaise.
FeralLovin'
Citizen of Zooville
Yeah my folks chickens and ducks will withhold egg laying every once in a while. Especially when the mating pair of hawks that live out there are hunting mice around the coop. Dangerous working conditions makes production screech to a halt lol
caikgoch
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Yes I do, when their idea of rape is saying, "You look good."
Yes I do, when their idea of murder is eating a cheeseburger.
Yes I do, when they think they have a right to steal.
Some of that describes you, Alusky child.
caikgoch
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
In fact, I am required by Federal regulation "to take effective measures to prevent wild and feral animals from contaminating food crops." That means keeping the feral hogs out of the corn so it will be safe for YOU to eat.
Rabbitwiseguy
Lurker
This thread in a nutshell:
Vegans are extremists for not supporting the systematic rape, torture and murder of factory farmed animals! - says people who routinely fuck their pets.
Vegans are extremists for not supporting the systematic rape, torture and murder of factory farmed animals! - says people who routinely fuck their pets.
drsawbones
Tourist
have u ever been to a slaughterhouse i have what i seen made me cry hard i just say this they took cows tie one leg hung it up side down wail it was alive a guy came over slit the Throat keep doing each one one at a time all can say i'm crying thinking of it
Interesting that you said US instead of them. Well, since you refuse to state that no animals are ever killed by human hands (other than for medical euthanasia) then your are admitting with your silence that in your family farm they do murder animals for their meat or when they become unproductive eggs/milk producers (once they can't make milk or eggs in an efficient way, they lost their functionality, they get discarded/destroyed as mere objects as keeping them alive would be a lost of income) In simple word, yes, your family farm is no different from the organized mass farming. Your family farm is murdering animals without a valid reason to do so. AKA doing animal abuse.
The only way I could see what they do as being permissible, is if they live in the middle of nowhere, disconnected from the rest of the world and not murdering animals to eat them would lead to them starving to death. Is this the case for your family?
If that is not the case. How does this fact makes you feel? Do you think animals should be spared from being tortured and murdered without a valid reason? Or you 100% support needless animal torture and murder? How would you feel if a superior alien race where to come tomorrow and literally farm you and all your family as animals, to later murder them and eat them?
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@caikgoch
Seem I run into some one with poor reading skills. I will edit my post and make it way more clear for those with a handicap. Feel free to address that post again after I made the clarification. The edited version should be up in like 5 minutes.
I don't know what you mean by this comment. First, Alusky is not my name. Alusky would be a mixed dog breed from crossing an Alaskan malamute and a Husky. Were Aluzky with a Z is the zoosexual activist. Second, I'm 36 years old, I'm not a child. Third, eating a cheese burger would not be murder. Unless it contains meat from a murdered animal that you personally murdered yourself. If the cheese burger is vegan, it would have nothing to do with murder. If the cheese burger has meat but the person eating it didn't murder the animal then he is not a murder, but he would instead be an accomplice of a murderer, as the person who pay for the cheese burger, is paying money so an animal gets murdered by some one else. Forth: I don't think people have the right to steal. Nor I think that saying "you look good" is equal to rape. So, how come you claim that some of that descrives me? How does any of what you said describes me? What you claim makes no sense.
Pretty sure that building a hard fence 2 meter high around the perimeter would stop any non-flying animals from trespassing. With some minor changes you could make it impossible for rodents and other small critters to climb over the wall.
Before you say: That is too expensive. I'm sure that if you made a go found me campaign and plead to vegans with your goal of building that walk, you would get millions in donations to build it. That is one of several options to pay for it.
Using poisons or guns as a solution, seem like an easy yet ANIMAL CRUELTY solution. Death of any trespasser is not always the only solution, that is my point.
Seem I run into some one with poor reading skills. I will edit my post and make it way more clear for those with a handicap. Feel free to address that post again after I made the clarification. The edited version should be up in like 5 minutes.
I don't know what you mean by this comment. First, Alusky is not my name. Alusky would be a mixed dog breed from crossing an Alaskan malamute and a Husky. Were Aluzky with a Z is the zoosexual activist. Second, I'm 36 years old, I'm not a child. Third, eating a cheese burger would not be murder. Unless it contains meat from a murdered animal that you personally murdered yourself. If the cheese burger is vegan, it would have nothing to do with murder. If the cheese burger has meat but the person eating it didn't murder the animal then he is not a murder, but he would instead be an accomplice of a murderer, as the person who pay for the cheese burger, is paying money so an animal gets murdered by some one else. Forth: I don't think people have the right to steal. Nor I think that saying "you look good" is equal to rape. So, how come you claim that some of that descrives me? How does any of what you said describes me? What you claim makes no sense.
Pretty sure that building a hard fence 2 meter high around the perimeter would stop any non-flying animals from trespassing. With some minor changes you could make it impossible for rodents and other small critters to climb over the wall.
Before you say: That is too expensive. I'm sure that if you made a go found me campaign and plead to vegans with your goal of building that walk, you would get millions in donations to build it. That is one of several options to pay for it.
Using poisons or guns as a solution, seem like an easy yet ANIMAL CRUELTY solution. Death of any trespasser is not always the only solution, that is my point.
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SigmaTheZeta
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
FeralLovin'
Citizen of Zooville
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that's your opinion and a dumb one at that.I don't view it as murder or torture so your questions are irrelevant to me.
SigmaTheZeta
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
*belches*
SigmaTheZeta
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
@Aluzky
Let me put it to this way, just in case I was previously unclear.
Terri Schiavo was legally regarded as a vegetable at the time of her feeding tube being removed.
At the time, Terri Schiavo's basal ganglia were in perfectly good health.
The "primitive brain" of an apple snail is nothing but a four-chambered system composed of nothing but ganglia.
Therefore, snails also are vegetables.
If you argue with that, then I will go to McDonalds and order a hamburger, and you can explain to the cow's mother that her calf died for an animal that has a nervous system that would have it regarded by the law as a vegetable that is eligible for removal of life support if it were human.
Let me have snails as a vegetable, and I will spare the fucking cow.
Capeesh?
Let me put it to this way, just in case I was previously unclear.
Terri Schiavo was legally regarded as a vegetable at the time of her feeding tube being removed.
At the time, Terri Schiavo's basal ganglia were in perfectly good health.
The "primitive brain" of an apple snail is nothing but a four-chambered system composed of nothing but ganglia.
Therefore, snails also are vegetables.
If you argue with that, then I will go to McDonalds and order a hamburger, and you can explain to the cow's mother that her calf died for an animal that has a nervous system that would have it regarded by the law as a vegetable that is eligible for removal of life support if it were human.
Let me have snails as a vegetable, and I will spare the fucking cow.
Capeesh?
Personally, I would have no problems with humans eating bugs that are incapable of feeling subjective pain. To me, that would be a vegan diner.
So, feel free to eat as many bugs as you like and spare those cows.
I'm sure you will get to know that I'm not like any other vegan that you have seen. I'm a vegan not from a dogmatic point of view but from a fluid utilitarian point of view. And my vegan beliefs reflect on my utilitarian moral system.
So, as long as there is a valid reason to murder an animal (or bug) to eat them, I have no problem with it. Thing is, many people use non-valid reason as excuses for why they support animal abuse and murder.
SigmaTheZeta
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Snails are vegetables! Yay!
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That is a fact. Animal abuse is legally defined as to cause: unnecessary distress, harm or death to an animal.
If a cow stops producing milk, there is no necessary reason to murder that cow. She could be left to live till she dies from old age. If you say: Well, we murder her to eat them, that is the valid reason. Well, humans don't need to eat meat to survive. (unless like I said, you live in the middle of nowhere incommunicado and fighting starvation at every step) so, killing the cow to eat them was not really necessary. As per the legal definition of animal abuse, that cow was murdered for no valid reason, aka animal abuse.
Thus, it is a fact that your family does animal abuse and you are supporting animal abuse.
Now that is a subjective opinion.
Well, I'm sure a serial killers can also not see his actions of murdering 20+ humans as murder and torture. But this would only be his subjective opinion. Any objective observer of that serial killer, can tell you that his actions counts as torture and murder.
Point is, you not seeing animal murder as murder, is a subjective opinion, not a fact.
Question for you: Why are you unable to see that murdering an animal when you don't really need to, is unnecessary?
Please, help me understand you so I can help you understand why it is animal abuse. It is really sad that you support or do animal abuse, without knowing that you are doing that.
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SigmaTheZeta
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I you are trying to be funny, I'm afraid I won't play along to well, as my sense of humor is almost zero percent.
So, I will really appreciate it, that any replies addressed to me from you, in the future, to be done with all seriousness.
With other people, feel free to be as joyful as you want, I'm sure they welcome something to lighten their mood.
Thanks in advance.
FeralLovin'
Citizen of Zooville
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my opinions mean more to me than any of yours. This dead horse of a topic has been beat to a pulp. In the end, I'm as much of a murderer as you guys are morons.
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Doesn't change the fact that reality is totally different from those opinions. It is like a flat earther having the opinion that earth is flat and me claiming that it is and sphere based on quantifiable scientific data from hundreds of scientific studies.
I don't know if you are an animal murderer or an animal abuse supporter, so I won't accuse you of that without proof. But I know for a fact that I'm not a moron.
Animal eaters on their big majority, only have subjective opinions and fallacies to support their harmful acts, were vegans use scientific facts, logic and reason, to support their arguments. It is pretty clear who has mental superiority and a moral high ground among those two.
FeralLovin'
Citizen of Zooville
Could have fooled me...
Care to elaborate on why you think I could have fooled you for a moron?
SigmaTheZeta
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Although I find it to be deliciously ironic that a human that had a brain that was composed entirely of ganglia would be regarded legally as a vegetable eligible for planned death, I speak mostly with seriousness.
I am highly interested in the ethical theories of Dr. Carol Gilligan, which you may be familiar with. Under that theory, it is actually quite acceptable if one's behavior is really governed by animal impulses, such as defending the honor of a friend because that person is your friend or having a desire to take care of a baby because the baby is cute.
Of course, Carol was incorrect that this constitutes an altogether "feminist" system of ethics. The reason why she got that impression is that it is difficult for both men and women to apply infrahumanization to a woman, even to themselves (read: rhetoric such as "maternal instinct," "women's intuition," "natural," et al.), in spite of even significant empirical evidence to the contrary (such as a woman really being quite rational to ditch a narcissistic gas lighting bastard of a boyfriend or arrange for his unfortunate untimely demise). While women may benefit economically from such a system of ethics, due to infrahumanization being deemphasized under it, the bottom-line is that to acknowledge that this is a fact is really an outcropping of the same reaction that leads to some societies regarding women as child-like entities that must inherently require being kept under the control and protection of men (read: Saudi Arabian women almost never being allowed to meet men that are not related to them, except when they are being pressured/forced into marrying one that has every intention of not only fucking her, whether she willingly accepts him doing so or not, but also using spousal rape as a method of corporal punishment).
Nevertheless, in instances where I am actually getting along with someone and regard them as friends, I regard it as being perfectly acceptable for me to care about something just because one of my friends does.
On the other hand, whenever someone that I do not regard as a friend demands to have the same level of control over what I think about things, my instinctive inclination is to pugilistically batter him until he stops moving for a while. I have run into many people that believe that I am obligated to care considerably more about their self-righteous opinions than I believe I actually am, and my emotional reaction to it is something that I can only attribute to a rather dramatic amygdala hijack.
Amygdala hijack - Wikipedia
Ideally, I can redirect that amygdala hijack and translate it from a violent rage into an uproarious outburst of highly vocalized mirth directed at their faces.
As an agelast, I suppose that you would not understand this intuitively, but the fact is that a strong amygdala hijack is not easily suppressed, and it must often redirected in order to preserve a sense of law and order and thereby avert physical altercation.
My relatively mirthful approach to discussing this matter with you was merely a method of dealing with the fact that I actually am highly annoyed at you people's insistent anti-carnivorous outlook, but the fact of the matter is that I end up getting along extremely well with many vegans. It therefore actually does matter to me what they think about my dining habits. Since it is extremely important to you, I have chosen to be open-minded about slowly starting to tweak my dining habits.
However, it may give you gratification that, now that I have actually tried more non-tetrapodal dietary alternatives, I actually have decided that I find them to be acceptable as substitutes, and come to think of it, the entire process of raising a tetrapodal organism only to slaughter it for its meat strikes me as rather uncouth when I have perfectly acceptable, sometimes even preferable, alternatives readily at hand.
The outcome is, therefore, that I actually am sort of starting to see meat as being, in a way, beneath me, so how I got there should not make all that much of a difference.
Of course, the initiation of that set of thought processes suggests that I actually do have ethical motives besides those that were studied by Carol Gilligan, which constitutes an interesting observation.
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caikgoch
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
OK, that's 12 fields X 1 mile each X 4 sides X $2/foot (cheaper in bulk)= $506,880. Then you need at least 24 40 foot gates ($600 each) and at least 48 canal gates($2400 each). That's $129,600 + $506880 for a total of $636,480. You think you and your vegan buddies can raise that much? And how about $75,000 for yearly maintenance? And I promise you that it will restrict water flow and result in a 15 to 20% loss in yield after every hard rain. Now multiply that by 2.2 million farms. That's $1,400,256,000,000.
<sarcasm> Boy, I wish I was as smart as you so I could see all these simple solutions to everything. </sarcasm>
caikgoch
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
That website has to be the biggest mass of nothing that I've ever seen on the web.Home - Solar Foods
solarfoods.fi
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First, corn isn't primarily protein and you absolutely do need more than just protein.
Second, just electricity and air? Bullshit! Why do you think I need fertilizer? There are other things than carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen needed. You need trace elements both as catalysts and intermediaries.