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How rare are girls that are into this ...

Umafera and UR20Z - how do you measure/figure that degradation is the most common reason for people looking for porn? I find this really disturbing/depressing...but I'm not sure if I even understand how it works. I have to wonder how much a lack of interest in porn for most my life blinds me to certain aspects of the world....
 
Since you're relatively new around here, and up to now have appeared to be a rational human being, I'm going to be gentle this time...

Re-read the words I actually wrote, rather than half-reading it then trying to spin it into something COMPLETELY different from what was actually said or intended. After something close to 30 years of being online, I fully understand how easy it is to have your meaning get lost due to the medium, and as a result, I do my damnedest to avoid any possibility of being misunderstood. To quote Horton the Elephant from the childhood book "Horton Hatches An Egg" - "I meant what I said, and I said what I meant". (whether or not it turns out I succeed at being "faithful one hundred percent")

As far as how I know it, just look around, even here. Look for anything containing the words "slut", "cunt", or "whore" just to give you a starting place. Those, among others, are red-flag words that, at least to me, indicate that whoever is using them is pretty well guaranteed to be looking for/supplying material aimed at the extreme/kink/degradation crowd as something to jack off over, with little, if any, interest in the "actually give a shit about the critter" side of things. The critter involved is nothing more than a prop that makes whatever is going on "dirtier" or "nastier" to that type.
 
Take cupcake for example. Guys found her facebook and info on her and then proceeded to blackmail her. This seems to be about the norm... Too many people can't just enjoy the video, they have to know "who" is in the video and shit.




It's sad... but I don't blame anyone for not sharing shit anymore. Not trying to be a white knight...
I can't imagine outing a fellow zoo...
Being outed myself I can speak from personal experience and I wouldn't put anyone through the shit I'm still dealing with years later. People suk
 
Umafera and UR20Z - how do you measure/figure that degradation is the most common reason for people looking for porn? I find this really disturbing/depressing...but I'm not sure if I even understand how it works. I have to wonder how much a lack of interest in porn for most my life blinds me to certain aspects of the world....

been in the online zoo community for 25+ years. its a fact you have to live with, it still drives me nuts though.

even here on zooville, the content is HEAVILY biased toward guys wanting to watch women get mounted by dogs.

me? i have zero interest in women, zero interest in men, zero interest in male animals. i am female animal exclusive. this puts me in the 1% of the 1% of zoos.
 
As far as how I know it, just look around, even here. Look for anything containing the words "slut", "cunt", or "whore" just to give you a starting place.

pretty much this.

just men wanting to get their rocks off watching what they perceive to be kink.
 
been in the online zoo community for 25+ years. its a fact you have to live with, it still drives me nuts though.

even here on zooville, the content is HEAVILY biased toward guys wanting to watch women get mounted by dogs.

True enough. And at least for me, if the gal involved is (or at least is able to CONVINCINGLY fake it - which DOES NOT mean screaming and fake porn-moans every time she draws breath - To paraphrase the honorable Potter Stewart, "I can't say what DOES make it convincing, but I know it when I see it") a willing participant, watching her choose to accept being mated by her canine partner is hot material to me. Spare me the fake moaning, or hacking up a loogie and drooling it over a dog's cock to fake (FAR too obviously) jizz, skip the dildog bullshit, and keep the scat and/or mouth-to-ass garbage buried in the shitpile, where it belongs. I forget which thread it was, but I once mentioned that Simone's later material, after she and her lover got confident enough in each other to have a successful mating, and some of the "Summer" movies, may rank as the best zoo-ish porn ever made, even if it was produced for commercial purposes. As far as other critters, some of it can be good, others is "Eh - whatever", and some of it is just plain "Somebody PLEASE shoot the moron that put it on film/tape - you'll be improving the entire human race by eliminating him from the gene-pool."

me? i have zero interest in women, zero interest in men, zero interest in male animals. i am female animal exclusive. this puts me in the 1% of the 1% of zoos.

Wassamatta you??? You some kind of freak or something? :)
 
Since you're relatively new around here, and up to now have appeared to be a rational human being, I'm going to be gentle this time...

Re-read the words I actually wrote, rather than half-reading it then trying to spin it into something COMPLETELY different from what was actually said or intended.

I've re-read 4 times now, and am at a loss. What do you feel I've misread? And how have I spun it to something completely different? Seams like your assuming something, but I can't put a finger on what that is.
 
As a woman I'll give a female perspective.

They are... probably not as rare as you think. As far as women who at least have the curiosity or desire to do such an act, but I feel like, for many women, the interest stops there. Just a fantasy, just like a lot of you might have out there but not really want to participate in.

as for women who've actually done it and are open about it are quite a bit rarer

agree about the men who drool over us because we fuck animals, the degradation thing is something I don't like at all. To me it isn't degrading, it's lovemaking, and the fact we can be outed by jealous ex lovers is reason enough for us to hide in the dark.
 
Many have it as a very big secret only in the bedroom with locked door.

Ultimately this is how I’d like it. I have my kinks but don’t want them public either and would like to share them with my woman behind closed doors. Out in public no one would ever suspect the thoughts and activities we share, but we can glance, squeeze a hand, or make a comment that lets the other know what’s on our mind while the world only sees it as innocent and cute. But it’s our little dirty way of flirting and turning the other on knowing “our” meaning behind the gesture. ?
 
As a woman I'll give a female perspective.

They are... probably not as rare as you think. As far as women who at least have the curiosity or desire to do such an act, but I feel like, for many women, the interest stops there. Just a fantasy, just like a lot of you might have out there but not really want to participate in.

as for women who've actually done it and are open about it are quite a bit rarer

agree about the men who drool over us because we fuck animals, the degradation thing is something I don't like at all. To me it isn't degrading, it's lovemaking, and the fact we can be outed by jealous ex lovers is reason enough for us to hide in the dark.
Thank you.

As far as any potential outers go, that's why I always say get dirt on your ex-lover before you break up with them (as sad as it is to have to say that).

Edit: As a slightly jealous person (I'm working on that, although it hurts), I know when it's time to let it go, but it's the possessive ones that are the types you should look out for - you know, the ones who can't let it go.
 
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agree about the men who drool over us because we fuck animals, the degradation thing is something I don't like at all. To me it isn't degrading, it's lovemaking, and the fact we can be outed by jealous ex lovers is reason enough for us to hide in the dark.

I‘be been told by some woman, the degradation is part of their turn on but do agree I think a lot of guys see degradation as their thrill, or any fetish and power over a woman. So many feel they are some type of Dom and this puts them in control. I’ve never quite understood that aspect, but I’m now part of an older generation. With “50 Shades” and these fantasies being expressed and wanting to be degraded, I think it’s a shared part of a lot of fantasies, not just this. I personally think any woman who shares this with a guy and lets them be a part of their secret should be protected even more. Even when becoming an ex. Things were shared in trust then. Be honorable and keep that trust, even after a break up.
 
I've re-read 4 times now, and am at a loss. What do you feel I've misread? And how have I spun it to something completely different? Seams like your assuming something, but I can't put a finger on what that is.

Show me where I said anything at all about - as you said:

Umafera and UR20Z - how do you measure/figure that degradation is the most common reason for people looking for porn?

I draw your particular attention to this part:

"...is the most common reason..."

Here's a refresher:
A *HUGE* proportion of the HNGs (*) you see on "kinky" forums like this are there for NOTHING BUT the degradation concept.

Notice the total lack of anything even remotely like "...is the most common reason for people looking for porn".

That's both the misread, AND the spin I speak of.

Read that sentence of mine again, carefully, for content. And keep in mind what I said in the message to which you're responding: After 30-ish years of being online, and understanding how the medium can distort meaning, I choose my words with extreme care to minimize even the CHANCE of misunderstanding. Or, put more plainly, I do my best to say exactly what I mean, using words that mean exactly what I say. I do everything I can to construct my sentences so as to leave no doubt of my precise meaning. Nothing more, nothing less. The only time there are multiple possible meanings in my words are when I deliberately put them there, in which case, there's almost always a clear indication, either explicity, as in a smiley or similar notation, such as in my final "You some kind of freak or something?" comment to umafera in post 161 or from the context of the conversation, that I'm deliberately playing with words for humorous, ironic, or sarcastic effect.

With that in mind, what does that sentence of mine actually say?

Here's some assistance:
Who did I say is looking for degradation porn? Answer: "HNGs" - shorthand for "Horny Net Geeks", a class of person that's hard to define ahead of time, but once you've experienced the "species", is almost impossible to mistake for anything but what they are. Or, as Supreme Court justice Potter Stewart said while discussing the topic of "obscenity": "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it..."

Now that we've established what sub-group of people I was specifically referring to, how many of that sub-group are looking for degradation porn? "A *HUGE* proportion". Meaning, as I would expect to be self-evident, a large number that I cannot state specifically.

Where is there any mention of what the most common reason for people looking for porn might be?

I was, and still am, speaking of a subset of porn consumers - "HNGs" - that are blatantly obvious to most who've been online for any significant amount of time. I have little doubt, even if you don't/didn't know a term to differentiate them from "Joe Random Person looking for porn", that you've seen the type. Even here on this forum, unfortunately. It's been my experience through the years since I first connected to this miracle of modern technology we call "the Internet", that the vast majority of that type are looking specifically for the degradation aspect of dog-on-woman porn.

I made no comment on why people - ANY people - might be looking for porn.

And I tend to get pretty soggy and hard to light when it comes to someone distorting the meaning of what I do say.
 
I would love to get non zoo people using this and just be DYING inside with laughter as it was being used.
Subjective me says: fuck that shit. Objective me says: it's a dog dick bong. It's just stupid piece of glass shaped after a dog dick - just glass. I'd hit that if the weed was free... Or would I? May, that's too homoerotic for me...

Now a dog pussy or mare pussy bong, I'd hit that all day.
 
Show me where I said anything at all about...

I read all those words several times, still can't figure out what's wrong with what I asked....or how you expect someone to see in your head and understand a 'subgroup' you can't even explain....or how that group is different then the main....or why ANY of this matters...and why you seam to be jumping down my throat and trying to force an argument on what seams like pedantry.

Peace man- you're kinda cool when you're not acting so aggressive...
 
Subjective me says: fuck that shit. Objective me says: it's a dog dick bong. It's just stupid piece of glass shaped after a dog dick - just glass. I'd hit that if the weed was free... Or would I? May, that's too homoerotic for me...

Now a dog pussy or mare pussy bong, I'd hit that all day.

Hahaha I love how guys get so worked up about things shaped like dicks.... Like the same guys that would never ever smoke a human shaped dick bong.... I'll smoke weed out of a smurph's ass no fucks given....

That's why it would be so great to get them smoking a pecker hoot and not even knowing!!! BWahahaha not the most mature but I'll take my giggles where I can!
 
Hahaha I love how guys get so worked up about things shaped like dicks.... Like the same guys that would never ever smoke a human shaped dick bong.... I'll smoke weed out of a smurph's ass no fucks given....

That's why it would be so great to get them smoking a pecker hoot and not even knowing!!! BWahahaha not the most mature but I'll take my giggles where I can!
If it is a cock of any kind, I'll pass. Still, at the end of the day, high is high, so whatever.
 
Wassamatta you??? You some kind of freak or something? :)

pretty much. living on the fringe of the fringe.

but just look here on ZV:

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anyone seriously think females outnumber males on this forum by 2/3? not a fucking chance.

yep, i'm a freak.
 
We are not that rare, its very common.. but we are very careful who we share it with..
I had a couple tell me the same. Much more common than people would think. They had women friends over all the time playing and were always making new ones once others found out they could be trusted. I hope one day I can be trusted the same way, and if it’s my woman, I only need her and we can hide our secret. ?
 
Wife and I have been together almost 7 years. Turns out we were both secret zoos. Only recently did we both finally get comfortable even breaching the topic together. And it turns out we not only had similar interests and fantasys, but also had stories of past experience to share ? imagine the excitement ?
 
I have had two really good women zoo friends. I've know several more casual women who enjoyed it too. Some of those were off BF. Many more expressed an interest but didn't usually go further. I'll see what happens on here since I've moved out of my best circles for a new friend.
 
Kind of on topic --- Can't help but wonder when I walk around retail stores or grocery stores and see an attractive woman with the hallmark "dog paw" tattoo's you see most zoo professionals with. I know I know, its just a tattoo! Doesn't mean anything! Still crack a little smirk when I see it ;)
 
They aren't as rare as you might think. The problem though is that the minute a female shows any interest in this she's immediately overwhelmed by horny guys trying to hook up or get pics/vids, all with varying levels of respectfulness. Based on how guys in general act on many of these boards I don't blame them for staying in the shadows.

Also, the threads where it's a picture from a female or couple from over a decade ago and it's just "who is this who has more" doesn't exactly make it feel safe to come out.

Thank you so much for saying what should be obvious to all. I have taken everything from my profile for the very reasons you outlined. It is a trust thing and I am sad to say I find that it is so very hard to trust anyone with this part of my life. It does follow you and people can use it against you if things go wrong in a relationship.
 
I think in reality its very rare, next to non existent I would say. If you mean girls who do this on their own motivation for pleasure and not for money or fame. And I don't think it will be possible for me to believe there are any such women in reality until I meet one in real life. In porn where women do this for money and amateur videos too, oh yes such women exist. But not really the women I am looking for truly.
It is mainly a male fantasy and many men who say that their partners do it are simply just bluffing as its like a fantasy to them. I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong.
I dont plan to offer proof but, there is always a but, it is not a case of woman into dogs, apart from the professionals and risk takers, being none existent at all. Yes it seems to be a male fantasy especially for the deprived and depraved. but most women like myself, who have had encounters, have done it once or twice and perhaps maybe played around or been lick, more than that but it is never an obsession for the vast majority that have experimented, just a curiosity. curiosity is not just a domain for men.

In an overwhelming number of cases it remains at that level, I believe. Very few women would ever consider chatting openly about it anonymously on a forum, even fewer will confide in another person ever. If they think about it, and most have, they see the potential personal risks, They realize that sharing their secret with another person is fraught with danger to their reputation and future.

Relationships and friendships sour and break and people can be vindictive in the emotional aftermath. I have met several other (real) women on here and on another defunct forum and we have chatted on occasions via voice hookups on messenger, so I can be sure that there are at least three others women, who are relatively active or have been. However, there is, for some strange reason known only unto them, many more fake women her.
Just saying
 
I dont plan to offer proof but, there is always a but, it is not a case of woman into dogs, apart from the professionals and risk takers, being none existent at all. Yes it seems to be a male fantasy especially for the deprived and depraved. but most women like myself, who have had encounters, have done it once or twice and perhaps maybe played around or been lick, more than that but it is never an obsession for the vast majority that have experimented, just a curiosity. curiosity is not just a domain for men.

In an overwhelming number of cases it remains at that level, I believe. Very few women would ever consider chatting openly about it anonymously on a forum, even fewer will confide in another person ever. If they think about it, and most have, they see the potential personal risks, They realize that sharing their secret with another person is fraught with danger to their reputation and future.

Relationships and friendships sour and break and people can be vindictive in the emotional aftermath. I have met several other (real) women on here and on another defunct forum and we have chatted on occasions via voice hookups on messenger, so I can be sure that there are at least three others women, who are relatively active or have been. However, there is, for some strange reason known only unto them, many more fake women her.
Just saying
Interesting. So how would someone go about trying to get to know a woman that’s into this?
Two things I find get in the way. One being most are probably more interested in the dog themselves and have little to no interest in the man at all, which makes some sense. The other is the mistrust that some actually are looking for a real relationship with someone out side of merely fucking dogs or having any ties to zoo for the sake of finding a life time partner. This is one huge problem I don’t have an answer for. A lot just want the thrill of seeing or fucking a animal. It’s a big wrench tossed into a lot of moving parts.
 
Thank you so much for saying what should be obvious to all. I have taken everything from my profile for the very reasons you outlined. It is a trust thing and I am sad to say I find that it is so very hard to trust anyone with this part of my life. It does follow you and people can use it against you if things go wrong in a relationship.
Some times so true. Very disappointing.
 
A lot of men have this fantasy because they are fans of knotty girls. Reality for them is what they see in porn. At first its exciting to see a knotty girl do her thing right in front of you and you become more aroused because she's your girlfriend....but the male ego doesn't care about fandom because you'll quickly realize that your girlfriend may have more sex with her dog(s) than she does you.

The problem with fans is that all they care about is a canine-girl being tied to a dog's knot. They never pay attention to the canine-girl herself. Unfortunately, the "lifestyle" is an illusion. If you cant tell the difference between Sarah (Zoe Matthews) "Sink Into Sarah/American Pet" and Lise (Eloa Lombard) "Petals and Pets/Pleasure Flower" then don't get a K9 girlfriend.



I'm sure Israeli girls do something with their lovely canines. but they will never ever talk about it to anyone! Israel isn't as bad as the rest of the Middle East, but women are still treated horribly. Imagine what would happen to some girl who innocently "came out" to her crush?



If a guy is lucky enough to put a ring on me or one of my canine/wolf sisters, then chances are we chose to be with them long before they fell in love with us. I will say that certain guys in your "community" ultimately screwed you by glorifying the...... zoo exclusive "lifestyle,"......... then they give new and seasoned canine women an excuse to be zoo exclusive by acting like disrespectful misogynists and wonder why some if not most of us want anything to do with guys lol.

So before you or any other fan of ours decide that turning one of us into a housewife is a good idea, you need to have your priorities straight. Do you want a live-in amateur porn star that reenacts all your favorite scenes from zooskool, bfi, and japanese beast videos....or do you want a wife? There's a difference!

Yes I take 4 doggy knots like Stray X while I give my husband (and sometimes others) a blowjob, but, he's not obsessed with me being knotted every minute of every day. I also have a boyfriend who could be my knotty husband if I weren't already married. The difference between him and the rest of you?....He pays attention to me--and he knows what he's doing and also knows how to pleasure me using one of my rotties while getting what he wants.

Lastly, did you see how I wander away from my husband to sleep with his friend after he gets his k9 wolfia fix, and called him my boyfriend?

What she said ?
 
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