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Furries and zoo

Okamyou said:
And I blame Maid Marian and Renamon for beginning it all
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Can someone explain to me the Renamon attraction? I've never been able to grasp that one in the slightest. A deformed-looking, yellow sorta-kinda-little-bit-like, but nowhere close enough to be attractive, semi-fox-oid with limbs (especially thighs) that are so grossly out of proportion that no amount of squinting can make 'em look like anything other than a woman I used to know who tipped in at MORE than 400 pounds of solid lard, and too damned many tails. Absolutely NOTHING about her is even remotely attractive, at least by my standards. Of all the Digimon, X-Veemon was the most "interesting that way" of the bunch, and that's saying something, since I'm about as straight as it's possible to get when it comes to humanoids, and it was made fairly plain that he was indeed a "he". Even Pegasusmon didn't "do it for me", despite my being primarily equine-oriented.
 
HugDoggy said:
Hmmm, So let me get this right your saying that because animals cannot fulfill "your" emotional needs, that anyone who claim to love their animal and feels that animal does fulfill "their" emotional needs is delusional. I suspect your talking to the wrong people to float that boat in these waters.
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Obviously I can still admit to finding dogs and horses attractive. But in the human sense of fulfilling emotional needs, we want to be respected and understood by our peers, which dogs and horses can never be in the same sense. They can be equals in that we're all living organisms on this planet trying to survive, but not in the sense like if I ask someone if they'd listen to something traumatic I'm processing and give me a hug after.
 
smoothasbutter said:
Obviously I can still admit to finding dogs and horses attractive. But in the human sense of fulfilling emotional needs, we want to be respected and understood by our peers, which dogs and horses can never be in the same sense. They can be equals in that we're all living organisms on this planet trying to survive, but not in the sense like if I ask someone if they'd listen to something traumatic I'm processing and give me a hug after.
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My point was that for some people they see the animals in their life as more than you are portraying them to be, what you are saying may absolutely be true for you. However for others they feel a deeper connection and they do tell their animals everything good or bad that is going on in their lives (just as if they were a human). Can the animal understand exactly what is being told to them? No probably not. Can they pick up on your body language and emotion and tone in your voice and try to offer you comfort when you are distressed? Yes I have seen many cases of this both with my own dog and heard numerous stories told to me by others. It is said that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the same is true for interspecies relationships. Those that just have physical relationships with animals only see a part of a much larger picture. Animals have emotions (I do hope you're not going to argue that fact) and are willing to share them with us if we are just willing to recognise what they are offering.
 
HugDoggy said:
My point was that for some people they see the animals in their life as more than you are portraying them to be, what you are saying may absolutely be true for you. However for others they feel a deeper connection and they do tell their animals everything good or bad that is going on in their lives (just as if they were a human). Can the animal understand exactly what is being told to them? No probably not. Can they pick up on your body language and emotion and tone in your voice and try to offer you comfort when you are distressed? Yes I have seen many cases of this both with my own dog and heard numerous stories told to me by others. It is said that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the same is true for interspecies relationships. Those that just have physical relationships with animals only see a part of a much larger picture. Animals have emotions (I do hope you're not going to argue that fact) and are willing to share them with us if we are just willing to recognise what they are offering.
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If I thought animals had the same depth of emotion as people, I would not find them sexually attractive due to their inability to verbally consent the same way it's imperative that we do. I don't believe that an animal trained to be domesticated over thousands of years, such as a dog or horse, could consent anymore than an African American slave before the US Civil War could (due to power imbalance). The reason I could find them sexy now is because I think in the grand scheme of things, as long as they aren't being hurt, animals don't really care either way about sex. If I believed they did care, that'd be a huge turnoff because the whole reason I don't have sex with humans much is from that anxiety that they wouldn't really want to.
 
smoothasbutter said:
If I thought animals had the same depth of emotion as people, I would not find them sexually attractive due to their inability to verbally consent the same way it's imperative that we do. I don't believe that an animal trained to be domesticated over thousands of years, such as a dog or horse, could consent anymore than an African American slave before the US Civil War could (due to power imbalance). The reason I could find them sexy now is because I think in the grand scheme of things, as long as they aren't being hurt, animals don't really care either way about sex. If I believed they did care, that'd be a huge turnoff because the whole reason I don't have sex with humans much is from that anxiety that they wouldn't really want to.
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I have thought hard about what to say to this, but I can see that your mind is pretty set on the way you see things. And I think there may be other issues behind the scenes here given some of the things you wrote, so I don't want to push things. I do find it a little sad though that you feel animals don't have a depth of emotions simply because they can't speak a verbal language humans can understand.

A good number of zoos have varying levels of discomfort dealing with other humans as apposed to the perceived non-threatening nature of animals. But at the end of the day if your not bringing harm to the animal, what we personally think about them from a humans perspective probably isn't so important.

If I was a dog I would probably be just as perplexed at why humans spend all that time yapping at each other, where as a good butt sniff can tell you so much about what the other person as been up to and where they have been that day, as well as what they had for breakfast and so much more. :gsd_grin:
 
HugDoggy said:
I have thought hard about what to say to this, but I can see that your mind is pretty set on the way you see things. And I think there may be other issues behind the scenes here given some of the things you wrote, so I don't want to push things. I do find it a little sad though that you feel animals don't have a depth of emotions simply because they can't speak a verbal language humans can understand.

A good number of zoos have varying levels of discomfort dealing with other humans as apposed to the perceived non-threatening nature of animals. But at the end of the day if your not bringing harm to the animal, what we personally think about them from a humans perspective probably isn't so important.

If I was a dog I would probably be just as perplexed at why humans spend all that time yapping at each other, where as a good butt sniff can tell you so much about what the other person as been up to and where they have been that day, as well as what they had for breakfast and so much more. :gsd_grin:
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Well if I had it my way people would live more like other animals (except with extra compassion and intelligence) but otherwise not caring about who was rich or subjective standards of attractiveness or whatever else. People would just want to communicate with and help each other regardless of geography or language or any other arbitrary factor. We all share this planet this life together and I don't think it's okay for anyone to act or speak in a way that directly or indirectly diminishes the quality of someone else's life. I can't really know what a dog thinks, but I do know there are plenty who would put their attraction towards a dog over caring if they're hurting the dog physically or psychologically and it's those people who I'm most frustrated with.
 
UR20Z said:
Can someone explain to me the Renamon attraction? I've never been able to grasp that one in the slightest. A deformed-looking, yellow sorta-kinda-little-bit-like, but nowhere close enough to be attractive, semi-fox-oid with limbs (especially thighs) that are so grossly out of proportion that no amount of squinting can make 'em look like anything other than a woman I used to know who tipped in at MORE than 400 pounds of solid lard, and too damned many tails. Absolutely NOTHING about her is even remotely attractive, at least by my standards. Of all the Digimon, X-Veemon was the most "interesting that way" of the bunch, and that's saying something, since I'm about as straight as it's possible to get when it comes to humanoids, and it was made fairly plain that he was indeed a "he". Even Pegasusmon didn't "do it for me", despite my being primarily equine-oriented.
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Don't know haha I don't find her to be sexy
It wasn't sexual at first. I thought she was cool and I liked her, wanted her to be my digimon. One day I saw an yiff drawing of her and it made me into furry stuff, but I guess it was because I already liked her and the possibility of being in a sexual way struck me, you know?
Maid Marian I was too little to think about anything sexual. She was kind and sweet, so I wanted to marry her and have a family.
That's why I blame them. Maid Marian my first crush. Renamon turned me a furry
 
i know one of the reasons it took me so long to admit to being zoo is the inability to verbalize consent. with furry art you could always pretend that the animal is hyper intelligent or rationalize it because it's fake art. i had to stop thinking of consensual sex as a solely human concept. just because they can't verbalize it, an animal has a way of telling you if they are into the act or not. they won't pretend to like it out of coercion or fear like humans might.

i wonder if gender plays a part in the % of zoos within the furry community...? and is there a difference between those who produce content vs. those who just consume it?
almost all of my friends have been other girls and they're either ace, bi or lesbian. all of them will happily draw a fat animal cock for cash but will call zoo animal abuse. i don't know anyone who is a furry and doesn't draw it personally so i'm generally curious
 
FuzzyDragon said:
Does the Fandom actually have a decent amount of zoos in it? I've been in and out of enjoying the Fandom since I found secret love for pups around 2014. It seems toxic with the call out culture but at the same time I've met a decent amount of furs that don't mind zoos. Opinions?
Also first post, hoping it goes well.
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My dumbest forgot my password for this old account. Rip #1
 
Anthro77 said:
I'm exclusively into anthros (not humans or ferals).
Is that zoo too?
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I would say yes, if you are of one species and attracted to a species other than your own, no matter if anthro or feral technically that is inter-species and therefore zoo.
 
HugDoggy said:
I would say yes, if you are of one species and attracted to a species other than your own, no matter if anthro or feral technically that is inter-species and therefore zoo.
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What if I don't see human as my species, but being of another "root race"?
 
Anthro77 said:
What if I don't see human as my species, but being of another "root race"?
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Ah, did I say human in my reply? I was merely saying if you of species X and attracted to species Y by definition it is inter-species and therefore qualifies as zoo.

Now the term Anthro could be interpreted as having human like qualities that at a technical level could throw a spanner in the works, but if you use anthro in the spirit of the word rather than the literal meaning I'm sure you're still fine.

More importantly it probably comes down to how you see yourself and how you personally use the words.
 
HugDoggy said:
Ah, did I say human in my reply? I was merely saying if you of species X and attracted to species Y by definition it is inter-species and therefore qualifies as zoo.

Now the term Anthro could be interpreted as having human like qualities that at a technical level could throw a spanner in the works, but if you use anthro in the spirit of the word rather than the literal meaning I'm sure you're still fine.

More importantly it probably comes down to how you see yourself and how you personally use the words.
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Thank you friend. Sorry for the confusion. For me, anthro is not just "form". It is like in my avatar. But anthroness is an energy, a "flavor" of energy, that can manifest in a form. I do prefer the mammal bipedal forms of anthro that are intelligent as humans, or more, and can talk.
I spent 22 years studying anthro magick, so quite familiar with their energy. I was born human, but much of the time I live in a world where everyone around me has this strong anthro vibe, and thus feels holy to me.
 
I've been in furry for almost 20 years (Guess what kind of animal. Deer hardly. ?).
So the answer is yes: I'm a zoo furry. ?
 
FuzzyDragon said:
Does the Fandom actually have a decent amount of zoos in it? I've been in and out of enjoying the Fandom since I found secret love for pups around 2014. It seems toxic with the call out culture but at the same time I've met a decent amount of furs that don't mind zoos. Opinions?
Also first post, hoping it goes well.
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Yes. They just cant express themselves because of the shunning and backlash they would get
 
HugDoggy said:
Have things gotten that bad now; :gsd_sad: It's been years since I actually have attended an event, but I learnt my lesson at MIDfur many years ago when I was a little naive and I spoke to a few people too openly, the reaction wasn't that incredibly bad but it wasn't positive across the board either. Once I learnt Furry didn't equal Zoo and simply didn't mention my sexuality unless specificly ask about being zoo I never had a problem.
That said I have also never denied it if a fur straight out asked me either.
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There's a piece of history in the mentioning... Yeh it's gone so down hill since them days... #RipMiDFur
 
WulfyK9 said:
There's a piece of history in the mentioning... Yeh it's gone so down hill since them days... #RipMiDFur
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Is there still a reasonable fur community in Melb, I sometimes wonder if I should try and get back into things again. Not that I have any real time these days with the farm and all.
 
As the fandom grows bigger and bigger, there will be less zoos in it, and they will cancel and try to get rid of us, as it becomes more mainstream. Very unfortunate, but we just have to stay secretive.
 
HugDoggy said:
Is there still a reasonable fur community in Melb, I sometimes wonder if I should try and get back into things again. Not that I have any real time these days with the farm and all.
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It's probably the biggest one we have in the country but yeh, alot of young blood these days. I think the "older" furs tend to sorta steer clear of the bigger groups and chats.
 
WulfyK9 said:
It's probably the biggest one we have in the country but yeh, alot of young blood these days. I think the "older" furs tend to sorta steer clear of the bigger groups and chats.
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Well I probably fall into that category, technically I am a grey muzzle, but your only as old as you feel they say. And when I've had enough sleep I'm a pretty big puppy.:gsd_happysmile:
 
There's an overlap especially in feral

(feral are talking animals like lion king)

but even in feral a lot of furries hate zoos just as much as nonfurries do

outsiders think of ALL furries as zoos (this started in the 2000s thanks to a csi episode) and the zoosadist stuff like kero has been very bad for furry pr
 
Anthro77 said:
Thank you friend. Sorry for the confusion. For me, anthro is not just "form". It is like in my avatar. But anthroness is an energy, a "flavor" of energy, that can manifest in a form. I do prefer the mammal bipedal forms of anthro that are intelligent as humans, or more, and can talk.
I spent 22 years studying anthro magick, so quite familiar with their energy. I was born human, but much of the time I live in a world where everyone around me has this strong anthro vibe, and thus feels holy to me.
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Can you dm me? I'd really love to chat with you about this! But you seem to have your dm button disabled.
 
Wolfspirit said:
Can you dm me? I'd really love to chat with you about this! But you seem to have your dm button disabled.
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A) They don't have it disabled, they're a lurker who isn't allowed to dm at all.
B) You're talking to an account that hasn't been on the site in almost a year, having been last seen a mere 2 days after making the account in mid July 2021, before you even joined the site. I don't think you're gonna get a response.
 
Wolfspirit said:
Can you dm me? I'd really love to chat with you about this! But you seem to have your dm button disabled.
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I don't think they can do that at the moment, they haven't reached there minimum 10 posts to get access to the PM system on here, That is why you can't see the start conversation button on their profile. But on top of that, they don't appear to have logged on since July last year, so they may not be on ZV any more.
 
dartel said:
A) They don't have it disabled, they're a lurker who isn't allowed to dm at all.
B) You're talking to an account that hasn't been on the site in almost a year, having been last seen a mere 2 days after making the account in mid July 2021, before you even joined the site. I don't think you're gonna get a response.
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A) I didn't notice that, oops. Oh well.
B) Sucks this is the 2nd time I've encountered intriguing old posts from people I want to connect with only to find they're no longer on the site. ?
 
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