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[CanisLupus]

Not sure why this user got deleted, but I personally stopped browsing the "female humans x animals" section because at least with dogs, it is in most cases dildogging and other things that are in over 90% cases abusive and unpleasant for the animal (yet tolerated on this forum for some reason). Also, most of the videos from female section that I watched completely ignored body language of the animal. For some reason, "male humans x animals" have much better videos that are in most cases non-abusive.

 

[MashaSobaka]

Also the elitism from zoo exclusive folks gets annoying, but there's not much that can be done about elitists

What? There are maybe 5 exclusive people who write on the forum, on hundreds of fetishist comments. I don't know where the problem is.

 

[nekdoneco123]

What? There are maybe 5 exclusive people who write on the forum, on hundreds of fetishist comments. I don't know where the problem is.

and it's these 5 exclusive ppl who usually go down hard on the fetishists.. i can see it being perceived as "elitism". i got called "gatekeeper" more than once.

 

[YanchaOkami]

and it's these 5 exclusive ppl who usually go down hard on the fetishists..

Might seem like it. But do they really? Just because they are of different opinion and expertises than fetishists?

Any idea how often I read topics like "ever fantasised having snake inside you?" which got deleted while I did not report it and just decided to leave it to others, because I'm tired of fetishists with such abstruse ideas, even if "purely fantasy"? At the end they would argue that it got deleted, even as it was "purely fantasy" and as such not linked to real life events, happens too often.

If there are serious questions from a fetishist, that's fine and gets answered. Even if the answers will not make them happy in most of the cases, it's still respectful explanation.

And if you don't count me to those five, that's fine as well, but just reflect for yourself how viewing such crap all the day even if you try to ignore it would actually influence yourself, your opinion of those humans. Would you at least try to stay neutral?

It's always easier if someone is not themself in a given situation and only experiences one side.

"Elitism", I wish. Majority are fetishists, what does "elitism" help me? Or any zoophile?

 

[pes]

In my opinion it is called elitism because you do not like hearing the negative answer you did not come here to get.
You could easily turn this around by saying that all the fetish based comments dismiss the zoo exclusive side of view.
Give me your dog to fuck because for me dogs are not partners versus my dog is my partner, get your own dog you fetishist.

Fetishists are the larger portion of the users here so they get to complain while zoos do not seem to care to complain as much because there is less of us.

 

[Theunis323]

Might seem like it. But do they really? Just because they are of different opinion and expertises than fetishists?

Any idea how often I read topics like "ever fantasised having snake inside you?" which got deleted while I did not report it and just decided to leave it to others, because I'm tired of fetishists with such abstruse ideas, even if "purely fantasy"? At the end they would argue that it got deleted, even as it was "purely fantasy" and as such not linked to real life events, happens too often.

If there are serious questions from a fetishist, that's fine and gets answered. Even if the answers will not make them happy in most of the cases, it's still respectful explanation.

And if you don't count me to those five, that's fine as well, but just reflect for yourself how viewing such crap all the day even if you try to ignore it would actually influence yourself, your opinion of those humans. Would you at least try to stay neutral?

It's always easier if someone is not themself in a given situation and only experiences one side.

"Elitism", I wish. Majority are fetishists, what does "elitism" help me? Or any zoophile?

You mean that one with wishing snake up my ass or vagina ?

 

[pes]

You mean that one with wishing snake up my ass or vagina ?

Yes, that. I deleted it. Live insertion is animal abuse. It is even in the rules. If this user read them, she would not even make the thread.

 

[Theunis323]

Yes, that. I deleted it. Live insertion is animal abuse. It is even in the rules. If this user read them, she would not even make the thread.

Yah,jeezuz, they can have some twisted shit in their heads. I wanted to reply 'how about a dynamite up your ass' but just didn't replied to that topic .

 

[YanchaOkami]

You mean that one with wishing snake up my ass or vagina ?

Yes. Such unacceptable constellations, be it fantasies or questions regarding real life, pop up all the time.
That's just not something a zoophile aka "deeply loving animals with or without sexual relationship" would ask or even fantasize about.

I shake my head and just don't think about those anymore. Sometimes, if it gets too abstruse or abusive (and not just "fantasy only!") I report them.

But if that's "elitism", then I guess a platform without any rules would be better for those fetishists. And it shouldn't be ZooVille.

Yah,jeezuz, they can have some twisted shit in their heads. I wanted to reply 'how about a dynamite up your ass' but just didn't replied to that topic .

Yea. Feels like elitism, right? Bullshit. There's no elitism, just people which don't want to experience abuse or abusive ideas all day long.

 

[Theunis323]

Yes. Such unacceptable constellations, be it fantasies or questions regarding real life, pop up all the time.
That's just not something a zoophile aka "deeply loving animals with or without sexual relationship" would ask or even fantasize about.

I shake my head and just don't think about those anymore. Sometimes, if it gets too abstruse or abusive (and not just "fantasy only!") I report them.

But if that's "elitism", then I guess a platform without any rules would be better for those fetishists. And it shouldn't be ZooVille.



Yea. Feels like elitism, right? Bullshit. There's no elitism, just people which don't want to experience abuse or abusive ideas all day long.

I nearly feinted reading that topic

 

[MashaSobaka]

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By the way, the bubble "my good old friend" on png #3 is about me.
Now I re-read the text and realized that not only the small avatar image is of my old friend, but also the specific text. We argued with each other, because I'm turning more and more towards my dogs, not only sexually, but also as friends, and I pushed everyone else away from me. In the meantime, he also changed and this led to arguments, and then we hated each other for good. And he actually sent me to my fucking mother last week.
I'm sorry J.... and K....., I used to talk to 20 zoo people continuously, now only 2. That's how I became. Exclusive zoophiles were never normal and it is as difficult with them as with an autistic person.

 

[pes]

By the way, the bubble "my good old friend" on png #3 is about me.
Now I re-read the text and realized that not only the small avatar image is of my old friend, but also the specific text. We argued with each other, because I'm turning more and more towards my dogs, not only sexually, but also as friends, and I pushed everyone else away from me. In the meantime, he also changed and this led to arguments, and then we hated each other for good. And he actually sent me to my fucking mother last week.
I'm sorry J.... and K....., I used to talk to 20 zoo people continuously, now only 2. That's how I became. Exclusive zoophiles were never normal and it is as difficult with them as with an autistic person.

Ok. Bu the intention was to not disclose who the users in that discussion are or who it is about specifically.
You did not have to write it here.

 

[MashaSobaka]

Ok. Bu the intention was to not disclose who the users in that discussion are or who it is about specifically.
You did not have to write it here.

Okay. They are not recognizable based on the first letter, I paid attention to this. And those who know them recognize which group it is based on the visible "buttmin" and also based on the small avatars. Next time, these should also be covered.
It's scary how easily a group can be recognized.
If you think so, you can delete my comments and fix the print screens as well. Few people have seen it yet.

 

[pes]

Okay. They are not recognizable based on the first letter, I paid attention to this. And those who know them recognize which group it is based on the visible "buttmin" and also based on the small avatars. Next time, these should also be covered.
It's scary how easily a group can be recognized.
If you think so, you can delete my comments and fix the print screens as well. Few people have seen it yet.

I did that. Although I have very little regard for some of the people who are either known for animal abuse or argue to basically allow animal abuse here.

 

[YanchaOkami]

For other language type categories like German, Spanish, etc. I noticed some seem to be for personals, even though there's a category in personals for that. Would be good if we could get someone that speaks those languages to moderate that, since its going to be a pain to translate all of those threads. Plus translation may not always be accurate.

Hm, do you really want the reports in those categories?
I ask, because there's a lot in terms of contact data, stories with clear statements below age of 18 and so on.

Not explicitly "abusive" postings regarding animals, but those two aspects alone could probably end with pages of reports and quite a lot of not ill-meaning, but very bedazzled users which maybe didn't grasp this aspect of rules. Not that this is an excuse, but I want to be clear about it beforehand.

Don't want to be a mod, as I have no time for regular visits. But if you and the mod team actually wants those reported.. no problem. It might result in quite a bit of work for the team, tho. And bedazzled (German, in my case) Users. At the end they're responsible for not following the rules.

(A little correcture: I would add this link:

Germany

www.zoovilleforum.net

.. behind the "Bitte nutzen Sie diesen Bereich: " in this posting: https://www.zoovilleforum.net/threads/meetup-beitraege-gehoeren-nicht-hierher.92946/

This might lead some users to the correct category.)

 

[MashaSobaka]

Hm, do you really want the reports in those categories?

A lot of work, by the way, there are indeed stories under 18 in the non-english threads, but they are basically harmless, he/they only tells his own zoo experience.
The most common languages are german, russian, spanish, french, polish. We need five moderators who speak these languages. Then there are 25 others, because different languages are spoken in every small area of Europe.

 

[Goattobeloved]

Spanish I'd say it is far from sorted, still things going too far overboard get reported.
With the right explanation for the language barrear, those are promptly cleared by staff.

Thing is, local languages (Spanish, in the example) are small and have few activity, so even the contact seeker that should technically be in contacts is actually giving some welcome activity to it.
I feel the occasional survillance to avoid big things will do better than a strict modding

 

[nekdoneco123]

Might seem like it. But do they really? Just because they are of different opinion and expertises than fetishists?

i merely said i see how it can be perceived as elitism... when you have one or two "actual zoophiles" in a thread with twenty+ fetishists. of course it's not elitism, fetishists just don't like being in the wrong. especially those who likely don't even see animals as living sentient beings.

i didn't even see that snake thread and am glad i didn't

 

[YanchaOkami]

A lot of work, by the way, there are indeed stories under 18 in the non-english threads, but they are basically harmless, he/they only tells his own zoo experience.

Yes. That's why I don't report those potential "category / rule understanding faults" usually. If there's abuse, that's another story.

of course it's not elitism, fetishists just don't like being in the wrong. especially those who likely don't even see animals as living sentient beings.

My response is not aimed at you personally. It's my opinion about the whole "elitism" aspect.
OT posting & screenshots as well induces thoughts about this topic.

Regarding people which "don't even see animals as.." - I don't think that's a personal POV which would deserve respect. First comes respect for the animals and their individuality. If that's missing, there's hardly anything which would gain my acceptance. I don't accept animals being handled as "things".

 

[EvilPossum]

What? There are maybe 5 exclusive people who write on the forum, on hundreds of fetishist comments. I don't know where the problem is.

This is a perfect example of the kind of elitism I'm talking about: equating anyone who isn't zoo exclusive as just a fetishist. Not only does it come across as rude and dismissive, like you're looking down on them, but also it erases folks like me who aren't exclusively zoo, but still am zoo. It just reminds me of the same kind of crap many bisexual folks face (regularly being told they're either homo who can't admit it, or a sex crazed maniac).

I guess as someone who's had to deal with a lot of that kind of crap over being bi, I'm a bit more sensitive to it

Might seem like it. But do they really? Just because they are of different opinion and expertises than fetishists?

Any idea how often I read topics like "ever fantasised having snake inside you?" which got deleted while I did not report it and just decided to leave it to others, because I'm tired of fetishists with such abstruse ideas, even if "purely fantasy"? At the end they would argue that it got deleted, even as it was "purely fantasy" and as such not linked to real life events, happens too often.

If there are serious questions from a fetishist, that's fine and gets answered. Even if the answers will not make them happy in most of the cases, it's still respectful explanation.

And if you don't count me to those five, that's fine as well, but just reflect for yourself how viewing such crap all the day even if you try to ignore it would actually influence yourself, your opinion of those humans. Would you at least try to stay neutral?

It's always easier if someone is not themself in a given situation and only experiences one side.

"Elitism", I wish. Majority are fetishists, what does "elitism" help me? Or any zoophile?

Also, stuff like this, immediately going to the worst and trying to paint that as what all non exclusive people are like. (And yeah, threads like that are fucking horrific cesspools)

i merely said i see how it can be perceived as elitism... when you have one or two "actual zoophiles" in a thread with twenty+ fetishists. of course it's not elitism, fetishists just don't like being in the wrong. especially those who likely don't even see animals as living sentient beings.

i didn't even see that snake thread and am glad i didn't

This is also what I'm talking about in a way. It comes across as "everyone who doesn't feel attraction the same way as me isn't an 'actual zoophile'/anyone who disagrees with me is just a fetishist".

It comes across as just another way to divide ourselves and have a group to look down on.

Of course people who just see/treat animals as fancy sex toys piss me off, same as people who see/treat other humans as just fancy sex toys. Animals living sentient beings and deserve our love and respect.

 

[MashaSobaka]

Elitism to some extent comes automatically with the strict rules.

 

[pes]

How do you guys think it can be changed though?
We got 3 groups here.
1. Fetish based users 80%
2. Somewhere in the middle 15%
3. Zoophiles 5%.
So when the absolute majority of what you see every day, every time you log in are members of the 1. group asking the same stuff, behaving the same way, it becomes kind of grating.

What do you suggest is the correct way of doing things to avoid elitism?

 

[MashaSobaka]

How do you guys think it can be changed though?

I dont know.

I would ban anyone who does not fall into the last two categories based on the Kinsey zoo scale test. There would remain 300 members, as at ZWG.

 

[YanchaOkami]

Also, stuff like this, immediately going to the worst and trying to paint that as what all non exclusive people are like. (And yeah, threads like that are fucking horrific cesspools)

Not "going for the worst". It was simply what popped up a few minutes before I wrote my posting. As such the most recent example I saw.
There are worse examples, be assured. This one was "just fantasy", at least. I don't see this as elitism.

This is also what I'm talking about in a way. It comes across as "everyone who doesn't feel attraction the same way as me isn't an 'actual zoophile'/anyone who disagrees with me is just a fetishist".

Doesn't matter if people feel the same level of attraction or are even zoosexually active. For me it matters how humans respect and care for animals and their well-being. That's all, they can call themself like whatever they want, I don't care.

We got 3 groups here.
1. Fetish based users 80%
2. Somewhere in the middle 15%
3. Zoophiles 5%.
So when the absolute majority of what you see every day, every time you log in are members of the 1. group asking the same stuff, behaving the same way, it becomes kind of grating.

What do you suggest is the correct way of doing things to avoid elitism?

1) Rules are established, enforce the rules for everyone. No matter if zoophiles, exclusive zoos or just fetishists.
2) Excl. zoophiles don't have to care much or keep contact to the mere fetishist activities. Just ignore them or report unacceptable activities.
3) Fetishists or any (excl.)zoo shouldn't demand more rights, if they willingly break the rules which are given. That's the on-topic part.

Not a single piece of "elitism" given, just same handling for everyone. And surely enough this might lead to more deletions / bans on the fetishist side. What a surprise. But that's merely actio et reactio, not "elitism".

As such: the way mods / admins keep this place working on a quite acceptable "humane" level is a good way. Not perfect, surely, but a good way.

Better than the alternative: that those which blame the team or excl. zoophiles - or just anyone - for their own bans, deletions and so on.. get more freedom while the initial reasons for their own negative experiences with this forum are based on their own unacceptable behavior.

 

[pes]

1) Rules are established, enforce the rules for everyone. No matter if zoophiles, exclusive zoos or just fetishists.

I think it is actually already being done this way.

 

[YanchaOkami]

I think it is actually already being done this way.

Exactly.

As such: the way mods / admins keep this place working on a quite acceptable "humane" level is a good way.

 

[MashaSobaka]

Doesn't matter if people feel the same level of attraction or are even zoosexually active. For me it matters how humans respect and care for animals and their well-being. That's all, they can call themself like whatever they want, I don't care.

The reverse is also true, by the way, the "fetishists" have repeatedly called me a snob because I'm exclusive. Or they tease me because I hate women (which is not true, there are several women I talk to here on the forum, I hate people is this true). So I, as an exclusive zoo, get the comments in my face in the same way as the fetishists get back "from us".
My tongue calls such situations a cicaharc (kittiesfighties).

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[YanchaOkami]

The reverse is also true, by the way, the "fetishists" have repeatedly called me a snob because I'm exclusive. Or they tease me because I hate women (which is not true, there are several women I talk to here on the forum, I hate people is this true). So I, as an exclusive zoo, get the comments in my face in the same way as the fetishists get back "from us".

Yes, that's unfortunately correct. Don't think about it too much.
They don't want to (or can't) understand animal-exclusive love, which isn't missing anything in reality. They just want to view their own one (if there's one, at all) as fulfilling.

Fights about this are just lost time.

 

[ashy]

Reading through the supposed criticism, all I can say is "yeah, and?". The complaints people seem to have in those screenshots is that they can't be freely abusive and/or careless in their animal exploitation.
This is a zoophile forum, not a beast fetish forum. I don't care if the fetishists are in the majority. It's not a direct democracy. Call us elitist, whatever. Go to a golf course and start playing football on the green. Call the owners elitist when they kick you out too. I'm plenty nice with most fetishists because I think a lot of them are capable of being zoos, and were just brain rotted by porn. Lots of them will naturally figure things out with exposure to conversation with good zoos. Some others need a little guidance to break them from porn thinking. Some more will never change, and will get increasingly upset over being called out about their laissez attitude. My opinion is that they don't belong here.

We have to treat our animals like human lovers who have a hard time saying no to us. That means being careful, not doing things we could imagine are harmful or unpleasant, never taking advantage of them, and always respecting their autonomy. You don't have to be exclusive or a snob to agree with that. You just have to be a zoo.

 

[pes]

Reverse elitism.

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