Feedback from other sources

pes

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Here is some feedback about zooville that I collected from other places.
(I do not use telegram, this was sent to me, and was anonymized.)
A lot of this is for other mods to consider, but feel free to add your own examples or opinions.

And since we are dealing with the lack of variety of discussion supposed problem, I promise that this is an open discussion and you promise that you will use common sense.
Keep in mind that this is not the dumpster fire section.
This will be a civilized discussion without name calling.


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So largest issues coming from the above:
1. Not enough anal content. People want to see dogs being fucked anally. That is the main point of the discussion above.
(The last comment in the screenshots comes from someone who used to host abusive content.)
2. Not enough variety of opinion. Because strict rules. What exactly this is is not specified.

Further concerns from other sources either against moderation or user behavior:
0. The rules are too strict and difficult to follow.
I do not think they are in all aspects. But I think they are long and difficult to read. A revision might be a good idea.
1. We ban too many people.
This is partially a false positive in my opinion because the banned accounts are very visible and therefore stand out. Despite the most common ban reason being duplicate account.
2. We supposedly ban people for minor disagreements. Therefore people are afraid to write.
I do not see that to be honest. Maybe someone will point some occurrences out in the comments. This in my opinion comes from people instinctively trying to make themselves sound better than they are in front of others. Everybody does that, even I do. :D
3. The forum supports commercial crap porn.
This is a valid critique in my opinion. There was a commercial porn advert here and old commercial porn is allowed to be posted as long as it is at least not overtly abusive. But we all know commercial porn is exploitation of animals for profit and lying to customers. :D
4. We allow dildogging (The practice of using a dog penis as a dildo which is common in commercial porn).
This is a sexual practice that does nothing sexually for the dog, it is purely done for the benefit of the human.
In my opinion removing this would remove 80% of the porn section. This is the largest issue I see with this being deleted. It is not an issue for me, because I do not care for porn much but it will be an issue for the vast majority of users.
And this does fall in the category of not enough variety and strict rules which is going to be the first thing said about it.

5. We do not allow owner hopping.
In some cases the defense of owner hopping is that you are helping the animal get over sexual frustration.
6. Women seekers are too oppressed.
"Looking for a woman to fuck my dog" should be less criticized and people should educate these users more about how to have sex with dogs properly.
 
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Why am I not surprised that one of the small avatar icons is an old friend of mine, the leader of the hungarian groups.
The reason for this may be that there are maybe 4-5 "big" main zoo groups on Telegram, they are divided by animal and gender, so it is easy to find the other one. :ROFLMAO:
I have a suspicion that these pictures are from the german guy's group.


I don't have a print screen, or what I have is hungarian. By the way, people in general hate Zooville. The main reasons are strict moderation, many bans, many deleted videos, the banning of contact links, strict rules regarding the age of animals, anal sex and calf sucking, not hold the dog's leg/tail etc. And bait topics, when a thread is open so that members are banned based on dubious responses. Many people have already been banned from here, many are angry with ZV, so this can be read elsewhere. They don't like its openness, that anyone can register and copy the content for doxxing. They don't like the fetish is only just tolerated and not accepted.
These are usually written.
 
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So basically:
Allow animal abuse:
strict rules regarding the age of animals, anal sex and calf sucking
Allow abusers to stay hidden:
bait topics, when a thread is open so that members are banned based on dubious responses.
Allow animal abuse and reposts.
many deleted videos,
Contact links are allowed just not in the public part of the forum by the way.
the banning of contact links
 
In my opinion removing this would remove 80% of the porn section
I don't think so that much in my opinion.

"Mods banning over anything"
Well, I never banned anyone for telling me I'm a faggot. Someone wants to argue with me, I'm gonna argue back.

0. The rules are too strict and difficult to follow.
I tried to make the first post be a TL;DR. Although, sure it is a bit long.
 
Contact links are allowed just not in the public part of the forum by the way.
But this is something I see as something we could allow. But make a new section for it where we would move all the threads so that they do not pollute the forum. Similar to the personal ads section.
You want your telegram out in the open public internet, fine your decision, but do it in this specific section so only those who are interested see it in one place.
You can already technically do that in a zooville group and people already do this.
It is just too complicated for people to understand they need 3 more clicks to get there.
 
But this is something I see as something we could allow. But make a new section for it where we would move all the threads so that they do not pollute the forum.
Is this contact links as in links to IM groups through Telegram, etc? People use groups for it.
 
Is this contact links as in links to IM groups through Telegram, etc? People use groups for it.
I think it could be anything, email, phone numbers, telegram, invite links. If you decide you want to post your phone number in a zv group you can anyway. It will just take the idiot who wants to bother you 3 clicks more to get there. :D
Groups are already public sometimes anyway, so it is pointless anyway in unknown occurrence.
People do not use groups. :D Very few people know about it. You can see it from how many wrongly posted contact info we delete daily.
 
But this is something I see as something we could allow. But make a new section for it where we would move all the threads so that they do not pollute the forum. Similar to the personal ads section.
You want your telegram out in the open public internet, fine your decision, but do it in this specific section so only those who are interested see it in one place.
You can already technically do that in a zooville group and people already do this.
It is just too complicated for people to understand they need 3 more clicks to get there.
I think the entire "Bestiality Personal Ads & Meetup" section should be enabled and then it is not necessary to create another section. This section is only visible when logged in, so it's a little safer.
The use of Telegram IDs could be allowed here. Although I don't think it's a good idea, because if someone reads it, it's a doxx gold mine.
 
If you dox yourself, you are an idiot.
But people already do it in ZV groups. It is being done, it just takes a little more time to see it.
 
They don't like its openness, that anyone can register and copy the content for doxxing. They don't like the fetish is only just tolerated and not accepted.

Yea. But it's Zooville, not Fetishville. 🤷‍♂️
And loving animals (not just copulating with animals) requires specific rules.

Even if >75% are fetishists and couldn't care less if the animal they copulate with gives no consent, shows it's disliking clearly and tries to get away - they would still rape (which goes both sides - see how many animals in F/M porn were regularly bound or baited before deletion) them. Wonderful - not.

As such if they don't like the openness for anyone, the first ones which could stay away without any loss for any animal loving person.. are themself. Hooray. Not that they ever would do something that easy, nope.

And someone liking to watch another person copulate with an animal.. is not a zoophile. It's as simple as this.
 
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If they didn't have red then all that would happen is banned people would be more missed and mistaken for unbanned people. The red creates an accurate representation unless camouflage is desired.

Edit: Add another neon color to unbanned people if it helps.
What I mean by this is that when you see the red it stands out and you think you see it often. But in fact it is a false feeling.
 
I think the entire "Bestiality Personal Ads & Meetup" section should be enabled and then it is not necessary to create another section. This section is only visible when logged in, so it's a little safer.
The use of Telegram IDs could be allowed here. Although I don't think it's a good idea, because if someone reads it, it's a doxx gold mine.
One other statement on that. For other language type categories like German, Spanish, etc. I noticed some seem to be for personals, even though there's a category in personals for that. Would be good if we could get someone that speaks those languages to moderate that, since its going to be a pain to translate all of those threads. Plus translation may not always be accurate.


I'm sure most of the fetishist are here because of the non-zoo porn, I dont remember if the first version of ZV had it or not.
 
In my opinion the no contact info rule is for these reasons:
1. Protecting the user from their own stupidity.
But we rely on randomly finding the posts and we are not 100% accurate. In my opinion if you want to be an idiot, be an idiot. We do advise people to not do that in the rules and therefore they are responsible for their decisions.

2. Protecting the forum form ever present personal ads in every section.
This could be solved by moving the posts to a generalized personal ads sub section without a city/state/country.
 
Fixed it for you. :D

-85% visitors in the first four weeks? :unsure:

A (sub-)category for moving all stated private contact information postings into might work. But they might still not understand how it works.
And still post them in their signatures.
 
Contact information...

I would not have a problem on people pkacing personal information. It is like... their (lost) life 🤷

BUT if you want to enforce that, *please* do not allow them in groups either. They might not be indexed by google, but any registered user (antis can actually manage to register too ;) ) can see them, even if he does not belong to the group.




For the rest, well. That is a Darwinian approach of mine, but we are what we are and should not care about what people outside thinks off the site or the people in it.

NOW, what is important is seeing if the directoon is the one we like. Are we banning people we do not want out? If "no", we are doing fine. If "yes" we might need to evaluate whom and what they did to be banned and see how to change those points.

I feel it is a better approach than a "I feel this should be better if we change this" cause any change will keep some valuable people falling overboard in the process (seen that in my workplace a few times)


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I am all in for more relaxed and concise rules. I've been in forums where the only rules were "be civic" "do not be an ass". Worked perfectly. The occasional discussion was settled by other members calling them to behave, and only spammers needed to be banned.
But as the visiting members are here... No way 😓
 
Sounds to me like someone got banned or got their abusive shit deleted and is beyond butthurt. So butthurt that they are trying to start a smear campaign. I guarantee that everyone that is agreeing or going along with it, will not change one fucking bit and is still visiting and enjoying ZV.
 
Contact information...

I would not have a problem on people pkacing personal information. It is like... their (lost) life 🤷

BUT if you want to enforce that, *please* do not allow them in groups either. They might not be indexed by google, but any registered user (antis can actually manage to register too ;) ) can see them, even if he does not belong to the group.
I have argued this many times with admin. They want it allowed in groups. Which is freely visible to everyone in the forum without membership. Absolutely ridiculous, but it's his choice, so fuck it. It's not like all of our efforts in keeping that shit off the forum is not completely 100 percent a total waste thanks to that. Nope. Not a waste at all.
 
In my opinion the no contact info rule is for these reasons:
1. Protecting the user from their own stupidity.
But we rely on randomly finding the posts and we are not 100% accurate. In my opinion if you want to be an idiot, be an idiot. We do advise people to not do that in the rules and therefore they are responsible for their decisions.

2. Protecting the forum form ever present personal ads in every section.
This could be solved by moving the posts to a generalized personal ads sub section without a city/state/country.
It also protects the forum for when (and I do mean WHEN, not if) that group gets shut down and everyone reported because someone posted child porn and it got the feds attention. Also, groups will bet get deleted and everyone banned if they post zoo material. Allowing their advertisement puts us in direct jeopardy in allowing the promotion and dissemination of CP. (Directly or not, that is what will happen)
 
It also protects the forum for when (and I do mean WHEN, not if) that group gets shut down and everyone reported because someone posted child porn and it got the feds attention. Also, groups will bet get deleted and everyone banned if they post zoo material. Allowing their advertisement puts us in direct jeopardy in allowing the promotion and dissemination of CP. (Directly or not, that is what will happen)
I agree. And, I think any rational person thinking about that angle in any way will, or should, see exactly that outcome. And, once that happens, all those wingnuts who post in the dumpster that behind every account is a FED will not look nearly as stupid as they do now.

There is nothing else on earth that will bring more Federal focus and heat than CP.
 
As to the original post.......

I think it sounds like the same people who currently cry in the dumpster because they aren't allowed to have their way and watch whatever abusive disgusting shit they want, say what they want, do what they want. End of Story.
 
I mean. I joined this forum entirely as an alternative to the downright abusive shit that exists in other places online, and because the admins here seemed committed to actual zoophilia. So. Ya for my vote of confidence❤️
 
Well, I can say that ZooVille is far the best forum I have ever seen and will want to be on it to enjoy. The Admin/Moderators are doing a great job ❤️
 
My only feedback is that I am disappointed I can't talk about my only "experience" (experience in quotes because it's not like anything really happened, but still it's what started me down the path) because it happened when I was young, and the rule against discussion about that appears to be extremely strictly enforced. I mean, I definitely understand why the mods/admins are overly cautious about that, but it's still disappointing to functionally be completely shut out of many discussions.

Also the elitism from zoo exclusive folks gets annoying, but there's not much that can be done about elitists
 
Separating this discussion to a thread which is about this user leaving a link here:
 
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