Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
IKR?
I'm sure that wasn't the 1st time that's happened, but it was the 1st time I saw it here.
I'm sure that wasn't the 1st time that's happened, but it was the 1st time I saw it here.
Kristy
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Stealing someone else's stuff is bad enough, but watermarking it as their own. Wow, that is the lowest of the low.
Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Totally agree with you there. And, that's another way that something people trust in gets eroded.
Kristy
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Unfortunate, because sometimes, trust is all we have until it's built upon. Only then can it blossom into something more, if that's what we want.
Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Yes.
This isn't the reason why there are no verifications here, and long time members will already know that, buuuuuut............things like this are a damn good argument against that whole concept. Letting the fox in the henhouse because it was wearing a real good chicken costume, eh?
I know you've never been totally in the camp as far as people here posting pictures that are found elsewhere getting banned here, and, in the context of impartial open-minded fairness, I completely agree with you, ........otherwise, I've personally always agreed with the mod thinking that, "well, if it is them, we're helping to save them from themselves connecting our 2 worlds together inadvertantly"......though my own thoughts about the reasons for them making that connection are quite a bit more harsh, not going to lie about that............................this particular case though....puts another, uglier kind of spin on the idea.
But, as ever, my default position is to just come out of the gate viewing everyone as a potential suspect until I have reason to think otherwise. Sometimes, there simply isn't a lot of safety margin here, at least, not with any certainty, so it's better safe than sorry.
Coolbeanz78
Citizen of Zooville
Yep super desperate
Everyone please be warned. Lovelykbxxx is a 50yr old white male posing as a female. We talked on kik about a potential meet up and eventually we did meet in public for coffee. A man showed up. I'm glad we met before I actually had my pup there. He admitted he uses pictures from women he talks to on here and that he was just interested in watching. I left immediately. Please be extra careful about meeting up! Always meet in person in a public place first
Whyyyyyyyyy who thinks that works. Be yourself it's gonna go better in the longrun. Both parties are deffo nervous rack it's not just about yourself
Practice paper written requests or audio only talks before doing that effort. They run away with excuses quick
Not taking anything away from it but why create brand new account? To call out. Either way exposed to particular person. New account signals nothing.
Seriously small effort is so easy. Often am talking or posting and she's maybe not in the mood or vise versa at exact same time. We are humans. but takes like 2mins to write something on paper and 10seconds to hold it to say real and both there. NO excuses for lack of quick proof!
Thanks meg97 for like. Very impressive early AI in profile. !
Genuenly that's good job. Touched up after?
Oh read it to fast so you but changed. So not you at all to be hidden. I got it. It's touchy subject. Long as you tell everyone profile ain't you right
And who are they now here lol
Fyi to all AI search finds other AI if theyr AI. Imperfect that way but useful until it gets better. If anything its imperfect at human but excellent at detecting other AI over humans. knows it's own faults.
no dig "meg" just helping others as thread is about,
Meg97
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I think is easy to recognize that my real photo has been slightly edited by AI. My bf did it for me for my request. Strong enough to cover my real look (not much difference but still) I think is the best way to express myself without showing myself haha ? Also people know exactly enough they need to know.
Show me how dumb I am blackout all features that identify. It's important people know what can be changed don't you think.
Disagree words rope people in proof is proof ? trust is gained with pure effort proof. How else
Someone write a random word. Both can do paper of that with date to go haha no fakeness here. And then we are unlikely friends. Better get the grain and noise correct if edit anything.
Aware how aggressive but it's that thread right. Ptsd issue haha
CritterFunatic
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I guess they meant to write down a random word the other has typed onto a piece of paper together with the current date and holding that piece of paper into a camera to take a mugshot, which would be proof that the other person is who they claim to be. That's not a bad idea if people talked in private for an extended period of time, shares those pictures privately and would like to meet up somewhere iRL and just want to see who they're really dealing with, but for the general function of a forum such as this one this would be totally unnecessary.
I'd totally advise against taking mugshots and sharing them around publicly, especially with random strangers, especially with a subject matter as this forum. Nobody should doxx themselves while dealing with this subject matter and reveal their iRL appearance anywhere where lots of people might have access to it.
I guess that means that most one-night-stand with animal meetups might not happen this easily, but then again, I don't think that's so bad, as animals shouldn't be treated like sextoys for strangers anyway.
Took him out back and left him there.
(Spam wiped)
Why mugshot that is exposed. And not unidentified clear m n female arms holding something? I don't get it it's always talking around over celebrated to proof. Can everyone see this point? You aren't getting a female hand to hold paper saying hi zooville when you are pretending to be one. Instant half cull
It's awareness thread right
Absolutely shouldt be treated like that. How was that insinuated. Someone tell me why full dox is only way to proof. It's obviously not. Hi I'm girl here's fingernail that's clearly female holding paper. What is doxed. Not being an ass here real peep are tired of the fakes. Come on it's pretty clear face or exposure is not ment here. Obviously it's very very private and sensitive thing. Not gonna trump argue me people know what I mean
Not used this site much. Just reply button seemed most intuitive to hit. Why you avoiding the elephant ai in room ? I'm not here to fight apology. Just contributing to awareness thread, in fact almost always reply with quoting self. But least I answer and explain
Tell me off peeps lol if warranted. Rant wasint welcome but any points made that resonate?
Tell me off peeps lol if warranted. Rant wasint welcome but any points made that resonate?
Sure it's slightly edited ai but you. Wish you the best. Ment no harm and it's mean of me to pick you out like this. Sorry
CritterFunatic
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
If you were pretending however, who could say that not other people were into it as well? If someone had the intention to troll, they could simply have other people of both sexes around who could hold the paper. There's no guarantee either way in the end. Especially with AI art nowadays there might be more and more ways to fool people. The promt "a female holding up a paper saying 'word' and 'current date'." could easily be used to create exactly what you might want or expect to see.
My point is, there's no guarantee either way that you might not fall for a fake in the end.
The insinuation is, that I doubt this method of "authentication" would be of any relevance apart from this kind of meetups. Why would you need this authentication when using the forum in the way it's intended to be used. Do I have to hold a paper up into a camera to be allowed to respond? Why would that matter? That's my point.
Some guys can have pretty feminine hands. Both sexes can have long fingernails. Given, you're less likely to find them on most guys, but if someone wanted to fool you, anybody could buy fake fingernails and glue them on. Not a proof either.
Doxing, also doxxing is the action or process of searching for and publishing private or identifying information about a particular individual on the internet, typically with malicious intent.
While dox(x)ing one self would be to willfully giving out those information to other, probably hostile parties.
Not being an ass here real peep are tired of the fakes. Come on it's pretty clear face or exposure is not ment here. Obviously it's very very private and sensitive thing. Not gonna trump argue me people know what I mean
I can only assume that you're mainly interested in sexual conversation and don't want them to be with a person of your own sex, otherwise I can't see why you were so insistent on identification. And if this was the case, then sadly I can't give any advice. On the internet, most women are men. Old wisdom of the web, still rings true today. There is no guarantee that you wouldn't or couldn't be deceived. You certainly should remain skeptical. But if you don't intend to ever meet the other party, then maybe just assume they're the person they're telling you to be. If you never meet anyway, their true identity wouldn't really matter, would it?
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PawsThatRefreshes
Citizen of Zooville
A
Sad but true in my experience. If you READ my profile, you wouldn't ask me if what my sex or location are or if I'm looking to hook up...all that info is asked and answered already.
Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
So........you met this person......HOW, exactly? You posted this yesterday from a brand new account and this post is your ONE post with that account.
WHERE and HOW did you supposedly have these conversations here to GET this kik ID of this person? Because you literally have ZERO post history on this site EXCEPT this quoted post and posting of kik or other socials IDs are NOT allowed here in open forums, and it seems VERY unlikely to me that in the less than 30 minutes between you starting this account and making this quoted post, you somehow searched out wherever this person you are accusing has this kik ID posted, made contact, had an entire conversation, met in person, and then came here to make this post.
That account probably IS fake,.......... in fact, despite searching myself for a bit over an hour now, I'm unable to locate a single post from that person so they might already be spam wiped.......however, given the points of observation concerning you I've listed here, I have some grave concerns about you and your account.
EDIT to add......I missed @dogluver101 's post that they server wiped the accused account..............
I would still like to know something more about the accuser who appears to be an alter account at the minimum. There might be points of interest here that don't concern me or anyone else, but, I still feel like I should ask the questions. Something here doesn't add up.
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Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
As noted in my above post.......I do have a few concerns about that poster.
That being said, the scenario that poster outlined does have it's effects on me, which may be the reason why they posted that, admittedly.......but, let me just say, to any fake fuck reading this thread.........
IF any of you fake fucks ARE stupid enough to scam yourself a meet under false pretenses as that poster described AND actually show up to that meeting.......YOU had better pray to any and all the gods you follow that the person you scammed is the normal person who will run away and consider themselves lucky and not someone like me or who thinks the way I do.
In which case, you might come to have very serious regrets for the shit you tried to pull. And, quite possibly find yourself in DIRE need of medical attention, or worse.
The dangers of meeting a stranger from the internet are a TWO WAY STREET, a fact that I think most of you fake shitheels forget about entirely. You would do well to keep those dangers in mind, if you were actually stupid enough to show up with your fake ass self in person.
That being said, the scenario that poster outlined does have it's effects on me, which may be the reason why they posted that, admittedly.......but, let me just say, to any fake fuck reading this thread.........
IF any of you fake fucks ARE stupid enough to scam yourself a meet under false pretenses as that poster described AND actually show up to that meeting.......YOU had better pray to any and all the gods you follow that the person you scammed is the normal person who will run away and consider themselves lucky and not someone like me or who thinks the way I do.
In which case, you might come to have very serious regrets for the shit you tried to pull. And, quite possibly find yourself in DIRE need of medical attention, or worse.
The dangers of meeting a stranger from the internet are a TWO WAY STREET, a fact that I think most of you fake shitheels forget about entirely. You would do well to keep those dangers in mind, if you were actually stupid enough to show up with your fake ass self in person.
Thanks for thought out response. Certainly was a bit aggressive overall in hindsight. But I don't see why you should accept that you are talking to catfish just because it's online. It's a vulnerable topic and it does not matter if a man or woman talks. Just that they aren't lieing constantly. It's not called Storyville? How do you form online community built on lies. You insinuate alot here when a person just wants not to be lied to. I dont like lies in person or online. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Internet means you can lie. Very strange argument to me. Very wrong assumption to, said like you know of intent. it's a poor way to argue. Community of misunderstood people I wanted to enter it's not like can feeling accepted elsewhere. But if your lied to ......how is this even a discussion
Sorry if I'm wrong but catfishes will defend catfish. If you cannot have emotional intelligence to see harm that could happen to someone else through fake online life I can't be bothered with you
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catmandevauc
Zooville Settler
Idk what's so difficult about being honest with yourself and others in here. There's plenty to talk about without having to invent anything out of thin air. Pretty much all the interactions I've initiated and received feel honest and down to earth, and I didn't need to reinvent myself for that
Something feels off about it all. Can't figure it out. But it's off. People are quoted. Now's a good time to respond
Will say am really a sweetheart who wears heart on theyr sleeve, probably why these things sting. ? maybe went little bit on a war path for a moment
Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Because humans are scum.
It's not about difficult or easy, it's about advantage and what can be taken for their betterment or entertainment, amusement, whatever other nefarious reason.
Most people are NOT, but, enough ARE that everyone needs to be aware and take measures to protect themselves from that.
Over the course of MY life, I've become aware that the best way to handle that idea, FOR ME, is to simply START at all people are lying, 2 faced scum that I want NO contact or interactions with in my life at all and move forward from that point. As I said, most people are not, and as life unfolds at it's own pace, some people will inevitably be proven to be worth MY TIME in interacting with them. Others will prove themselves to be NOT worth my time.
It's MY life, MY time, MY choice and that's the basis of how I go about living my life. I don't think about it at all, EVER, unless I'm commenting on it like I am now. It's otherwise an automatic process that involves zero conscious thought.
I have VERY FEW close friends, BY DESIGN and INTENTIONALLY.
I have a LOT of what I would call casual friends, who ARE truly friends, but NOT part of what I would term as my close circle.
I also have 10 times that number of aquaintances, people I know and interact with and would and have, say go drinking with, but, don't, and wouldn't, interact with very much, if at all, on a PERSONAL level.
And, the rest of the planet is either unmet, unknown, or in the group of people I don't or won't interact with at all.
By nature, I am, and always have been, a VERY VERY private person. I keep my thoughts and my business close to the vest. There are less than 5 people who are what I consider CLOSE personal friends, and ONLY ONE truly knows me or my innermost self. Call it a control thing, call it a comfort thing, call it whatever you want, but that's the way it is and the way it will remain. The truth is, it's BOTH a comfort AND a control thing.
For good or for ill, I'm also extremely ruthless when it comes to removing anything from my life that no longer fits, for any number of reasons. Be you family or friend, if you cross the line, you are gone, INSTANTLY and PERMANENTLY. No questions, no discussion, no hints, no warnings, you simply cease to exist for me, for ALL TIME.
Here, in this anonymous format, I can feel completely free to voice these thoughts and ideas, where in real life, there is ONLY that ONE person I mentioned who would EVER even have the opportunity to consider the concepts I'm discussing here.
I suspect, when she reads this post, she might comment on what I've said and there might be that conversation or there might not be as there really won't be any need to do so, I'm very certain that she and I are in COMPLETE harmony with this idea in ALL aspects. I've known her for a good long while now and in that time, we have discussed a great many things. And, in that time, much of what I've learned from her, ABOUT her, leads me to believe that while we each might frame the concepts differently in writing or in speech, the concepts themselves are damn near IDENTICAL. And, more to the point, I believe that each of us is quite secure and comfortable with this concept and the state of how that stands right now.
As for most people and any I come in contact with in whatever form, I believe most people are, in general, decent enough and NOT looking to fuck someone over. And, I TRULY believe that at ANY random point, any one of those people COULD become someone very close to me. The potential is there. It's happened, so I KNOW it's possible.
But, as stated before, my guard is ALWAYS UP and it's NEVER relaxed. IF anyone makes it to that inner circle, they can ONLY do so by EARNING that distinction. And, all of that happens UNKNOWN to that person, I cannot be manipulated or bullshitted into that. And, one mistake is all it takes to end any and all consideration of any of that. And, on that, I am utterly and completely cutthroat and ruthless. And all that happens known ONLY to me. The most any other person has ever known is that one day, we talk, that next day, I never speak to them again.
I am in no way saying this is how everyone should appraoch this idea, I'm saying this is how I approach the concept. It's always worked for me and I'm quite happy with how things are and remain.
It's not about difficult or easy, it's about advantage and what can be taken for their betterment or entertainment, amusement, whatever other nefarious reason.
Most people are NOT, but, enough ARE that everyone needs to be aware and take measures to protect themselves from that.
Over the course of MY life, I've become aware that the best way to handle that idea, FOR ME, is to simply START at all people are lying, 2 faced scum that I want NO contact or interactions with in my life at all and move forward from that point. As I said, most people are not, and as life unfolds at it's own pace, some people will inevitably be proven to be worth MY TIME in interacting with them. Others will prove themselves to be NOT worth my time.
It's MY life, MY time, MY choice and that's the basis of how I go about living my life. I don't think about it at all, EVER, unless I'm commenting on it like I am now. It's otherwise an automatic process that involves zero conscious thought.
I have VERY FEW close friends, BY DESIGN and INTENTIONALLY.
I have a LOT of what I would call casual friends, who ARE truly friends, but NOT part of what I would term as my close circle.
I also have 10 times that number of aquaintances, people I know and interact with and would and have, say go drinking with, but, don't, and wouldn't, interact with very much, if at all, on a PERSONAL level.
And, the rest of the planet is either unmet, unknown, or in the group of people I don't or won't interact with at all.
By nature, I am, and always have been, a VERY VERY private person. I keep my thoughts and my business close to the vest. There are less than 5 people who are what I consider CLOSE personal friends, and ONLY ONE truly knows me or my innermost self. Call it a control thing, call it a comfort thing, call it whatever you want, but that's the way it is and the way it will remain. The truth is, it's BOTH a comfort AND a control thing.
For good or for ill, I'm also extremely ruthless when it comes to removing anything from my life that no longer fits, for any number of reasons. Be you family or friend, if you cross the line, you are gone, INSTANTLY and PERMANENTLY. No questions, no discussion, no hints, no warnings, you simply cease to exist for me, for ALL TIME.
Here, in this anonymous format, I can feel completely free to voice these thoughts and ideas, where in real life, there is ONLY that ONE person I mentioned who would EVER even have the opportunity to consider the concepts I'm discussing here.
I suspect, when she reads this post, she might comment on what I've said and there might be that conversation or there might not be as there really won't be any need to do so, I'm very certain that she and I are in COMPLETE harmony with this idea in ALL aspects. I've known her for a good long while now and in that time, we have discussed a great many things. And, in that time, much of what I've learned from her, ABOUT her, leads me to believe that while we each might frame the concepts differently in writing or in speech, the concepts themselves are damn near IDENTICAL. And, more to the point, I believe that each of us is quite secure and comfortable with this concept and the state of how that stands right now.
As for most people and any I come in contact with in whatever form, I believe most people are, in general, decent enough and NOT looking to fuck someone over. And, I TRULY believe that at ANY random point, any one of those people COULD become someone very close to me. The potential is there. It's happened, so I KNOW it's possible.
But, as stated before, my guard is ALWAYS UP and it's NEVER relaxed. IF anyone makes it to that inner circle, they can ONLY do so by EARNING that distinction. And, all of that happens UNKNOWN to that person, I cannot be manipulated or bullshitted into that. And, one mistake is all it takes to end any and all consideration of any of that. And, on that, I am utterly and completely cutthroat and ruthless. And all that happens known ONLY to me. The most any other person has ever known is that one day, we talk, that next day, I never speak to them again.
I am in no way saying this is how everyone should appraoch this idea, I'm saying this is how I approach the concept. It's always worked for me and I'm quite happy with how things are and remain.
you don't allow someone to approach how can they. Don't believe you are happy in this path despite closing with that
CritterFunatic
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
It's less about accepting it and more about expecting it. On the internet people can lie. If people CAN do something, some of them certainly WILL. That's a truth that was already known even when the internet wasn't a common household item yet.
Here's a cartoon from the fifth of july, 1993 showcasing it:
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Pretty easily actually. Happens all the time online, for the better or the worse...
Me neither. All I'm saying is, it happens. Forcing people to verify their identity won't change that. I mean, we even lie to websites and service providers now, ever since geoblocking was around and people felt the need to use VPNs to circumvent them.
Then let me be clear: Don't give out personal information to strangers, don't be voluntarily vulnerable and expect to talk to a person of nondescript sex until proven otherwise. Of course people can tell you things and you have to decide for yourself if you want to believe these things or not, but in the end, they may lie and you would be better off if you expected this to happen than being shocked and surprised when you find out it happened.
Not to most people who use the internet for about three decades now. On the internet people may lie. They don't necessarily have to, but they can and some of them will. Blindly trusting people to tell the truth is like blindly trusting a Nigerian prince to send you a few million dollars or pounds for money-laundering reasons, where you can keep part of that sum, if only you were to make a teeny, tiny deposit first to show you are trustworthy... Blind trust on the internet is a pretty dangerous game to play.
I don't know. I CAN'T know. And neither CAN you. That's my point. Even if someone tells you "trust me, bro!", can you really trust them? Especially if you never met that person before? How would that work?
It's less about a discussion and more about a cautionary tale. Like I said, not everybody lies. Not everybody intents to lie. Not everybody cares to lie. But some people will. That's why you, in general, should take everything said to you with a grain of salt, especially if it sounds to be too good to be true, because in most cases this means it certainly is.
Thanks for the unnecessary namecalling. I never catfished in my life. And I never will. I find that concept rather strange personally and couldn't even begin to comprehend what I would get out of that practice. But if this is how you want this conversation to go, fine, be my guest. Believe everything everybody ever tells you on the internet, because people are sooo good at heart and never would intentionally hurt and deceive others for some weird gain. See where that attitude will take you.
Funny for you to assume I have no emotional intelligence while I just tried to tell you that on the internet everybody can lie, which is no defense of liars at all and was just meant to protect you from potential harm.
You remind me of one furry guy I once ran into. He read my profile on a furry forum and hit me up on telegram, he talked to me, well, he wrote me, later we talked via teamspeak, as he wanted to voice and didn't have discord yet. Later he made weird innuendos and suddenly expected me to send him dick pics of me. I refused to do so, due to the nature of this weird request. He interpreted my refusal as proof that I was catfishing him. He assumed I was a girl (I'm not, I'm a guy) an just lied to him due to wanting to abuse him. I asked him what he was on and what he was talking about. He even heard my voice over teamspeak, to which he assumed I used a voice modulator. When I asked him, why I would jump through so many hoops just to deceive him, he came up with weird conspiracy theories and asked me, why his last online boyfriend who turned out to be a girl would deceive him. I told him that I couldn't even begin to comprehend her motives and we had a lengthy conversation over this topic. I thought about to send him to ask a few furries I know iRL for decades know to confirm my sex for him, but then again I decided against it, because it wasn't worth it to pull more people into that mess. In the end that guy asked if I would at least consider to create a club or pact with him, an inner circle where we would only allow people inside who had proven that they were trustworthy.
Not gonna lie, that dude had a childlike mentality when it came to stuff like this and pretty weird hangups due to one girl pretenting online to be a guy to him.
In the end, he put himself in the position to get deceived by not comprehending how someone might lie to him, which led to him lashing out against anyone who wasn't comfortable with having to prove who they were. (That's the part that reminds me of you right now.)
So, I still implore you to be a bit more rational and try to understand that I don't defend liars and deceivers and just intend for you to be more skeptical about others in general, WITHOUT lashing out at them for not wanting to share certain pieces of information.