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My girl cuddles with me probably 2-3 times a day each time being for about 10 minutes to well over an hour.
My girl cuddles with me probably 2-3 times a day each time being for about 10 minutes to well over an hour.
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Yep, my two girls certainly are individuals of course. They are fairly autonomous and allowed to be themselves, within reason. Some of my littler girl's odd quirks and behaviors can probably be attributed to her likely abusive upbringing from her previous owners. All I can do is make sure she has the absolute best life she can have with me, as she's a cherished and valued member of my pack. Don't know about my big girl. In the very beginning she had some trust issues as she got bounced from home to home before coming to live with me, but we're WAAAAY past any such issues now since she's been with me for years and years. She knows she's not going anywhere, she knows she's an absolutely cherished and valued member of our pack.
They're just... themselves. Lovely beautiful creatures that most of humanity quite frankly doesn't deserve. And since they've been with me for years now, I'd imagine they are pretty set in their ways, which includes not being huge fans of cuddling. It's unfortunate because I'd cuddle them all day long of they'd let me, but I wouldn't want to force it on them either, of course. It just is what it is. ?
Yep, my two girls certainly are individuals of course. They are fairly autonomous and allowed to be themselves, within reason. Some of my littler girl's odd quirks and behaviors can probably be attributed to her likely abusive upbringing from her previous owners. All I can do is make sure she has the absolute best life she can have with me, as she's a cherished and valued member of my pack. Don't know about my big girl. In the very beginning she had some trust issues as she got bounced from home to home before coming to live with me, but we're WAAAAY past any such issues now since she's been with me for years and years. She knows she's not going anywhere, she knows she's an absolutely cherished and valued member of our pack.
They're just... themselves. Lovely beautiful creatures that most of humanity quite frankly doesn't deserve. And since they've been with me for years now, I'd imagine they are pretty set in their ways, which includes not being huge fans of cuddling. It's unfortunate because I'd cuddle them all day long of they'd let me, but I wouldn't want to force it on them either, of course. It just is what it is. ?
YanchaOkami
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Welcome to the floofer-Deagle and the others! ?
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Regarding sled-dog race supporting as a vet: if you have a good down-filled sleeping bag certified for at least -15°C and warm (skiing, as example) clothes, that should work fine, even in unheated buildings.
Either staying active (moving around in water-repellent, warm clothes and boots) or keeping yourself in such an insulating deep-temperature compatible sleeping bag or duvet. If you don't stay active, you'll get cold after not even 15-20 minutes in else "warm enough" clothes.
Less muscular activity, less losses, temperature goes down quickly, illnesses follow. Just my 2 cents - you probably know this out of experience, anyway.
That's fully understandable, best solution to accept them with their individual characters.
If they had a partially unfortunate uprising with prior owners, it surely left traits in their development and behaving.
If they're friendly with each other and you, that's the most important aspect.
Welcome to the floofer-Deagle and the others! ?
?Regarding sled-dog race supporting as a vet: if you have a good down-filled sleeping bag certified for at least -15°C and warm (skiing, as example) clothes, that should work fine, even in unheated buildings.
Either staying active (moving around in water-repellent, warm clothes and boots) or keeping yourself in such an insulating deep-temperature compatible sleeping bag or duvet. If you don't stay active, you'll get cold after not even 15-20 minutes in else "warm enough" clothes.
Less muscular activity, less losses, temperature goes down quickly, illnesses follow. Just my 2 cents - you probably know this out of experience, anyway.They're just... themselves. Lovely beautiful creatures that most of humanity quite frankly doesn't deserve. And since they've been with me for years now, I'd imagine they are pretty set in their ways, which includes not being huge fans of cuddling. It's unfortunate because I'd cuddle them all day long of they'd let me, but I wouldn't want to force it on them either, of course. It just is what it is. ?
That's fully understandable, best solution to accept them with their individual characters.
If they had a partially unfortunate uprising with prior owners, it surely left traits in their development and behaving.
If they're friendly with each other and you, that's the most important aspect.
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That’s all we can do is give them the best life imaginable. I got my girl when she was 9 weeks old so I know she’s had an amazing and somewhat spoiled life from the beginning and I know your doing the same with your girls.144519
Yep, my two girls certainly are individuals of course. They are fairly autonomous and allowed to be themselves, within reason. Some of my littler girl's odd quirks and behaviors can probably be attributed to her likely abusive upbringing from her previous owners. All I can do is make sure she has the absolute best life she can have with me, as she's a cherished and valued member of my pack. Don't know about my big girl. In the very beginning she had some trust issues as she got bounced from home to home before coming to live with me, but we're WAAAAY past any such issues now since she's been with me for years and years. She knows she's not going anywhere, she knows she's an absolutely cherished and valued member of our pack.
They're just... themselves. Lovely beautiful creatures that most of humanity quite frankly doesn't deserve. And since they've been with me for years now, I'd imagine they are pretty set in their ways, which includes not being huge fans of cuddling. It's unfortunate because I'd cuddle them all day long of they'd let me, but I wouldn't want to force it on them either, of course. It just is what it is. ?
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Deagle113
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144524. @YanchaOkami thanks for the tips! I actually didn’t know there were different types of sleeping bag! Now my dream is one step closer!
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That’s always fun lol ?
That’s always fun lol ?
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But yeah, some of their old scars still show, especially with my littler girl as she had it rough before she came to live with me. She shows signs that she was likely hit/stuck quite often as a puppy, and when I got her she was pretty much a bag of bones. She was very much underweight. But, they got lucky. They got someone that loves, cares, and is devoted to them. Together we bring each other great happiness.
They definitely show their affection in their own ways. While my Newfie girl may not want to sleep in the same bed with me, she almost always follows me to the bedroom and lays beside the bed. And when sleep time is over she usually follows me out to the living quarters. My littler girl will often sleep in the same bed, and while she may not like to cuddle, she does often like to groom me by licking my ears and my hair. Sometimes my girls will groom each other as well. I think my Newfie girl is the only dogs I've interacted with that will literally pet me back when I'm petting her. It's honestly super adorable! They have their own ways of showing affection, even if cuddling isn't one of them. And of course they get all the pets and skritches they ask for.That's fully understandable, best solution to accept them with their individual characters.
If they had a partially unfortunate uprising with prior owners, it surely left traits in their development and behaving.
If they're friendly with each other and you, that's the most important aspect.
But yeah, some of their old scars still show, especially with my littler girl as she had it rough before she came to live with me. She shows signs that she was likely hit/stuck quite often as a puppy, and when I got her she was pretty much a bag of bones. She was very much underweight. But, they got lucky. They got someone that loves, cares, and is devoted to them. Together we bring each other great happiness.
YanchaOkami
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No problem! I'm privately quite often what you would call "off-grid" and between two lifestyle extremes (ecologist and high-technologist), means: parttime unheated buildings while it's -4°C outside right now. And inside like -1°C. ?
Yep, different sleeping bags, with quite the variety of filling materials. Downs (by gooses) are expensive and often mixed with their other feathers (which are cheaper, but less insulating), but very light. They don't insulate well if wet (while often being water-repellent themself or coated), but that's why the bags are made with water-repellent or exchanging materials themself. Plastic fibers are less sensitive to getting wet, but insulate a bit worse and don't exchange steam / fumes aka sweat that well to the outside, neither do they "adjust" the temperature that well.
But they can be bought starting at around 25-50€ for a very cheap, simple sleeping bag. Which I wouldn't suggest one to sleep in any icy environment with, else frost bite and necrotic results might occur. ?
Deuter as example fabricates "mountain usable" sleeping bags, like their Astro 800 / 1000 line. Filled by downs and very comfy, even at below 0°C temperatures. There are other manufacturers and even deeper temperature areas which some other models can be used in (the Astro 1000 should go down to around -10°C, before it gets quite cold inside). They cost a few hundred €, tho.
Really important is as well another aspect: the insulation related to the ground. If one wants to sleep outside in snow, that's possible, same goes for sleeping on a cold ground, but it needs insulation below your body. Either a thick foam-based mattress (if weight doesn't play a role) or a light insulated air mattress (which costs a few hundred € as well, if made for extreme temperatures). For temporary solutions without relevance of their weight (as such: you don't travel with the mattress on your back) a foam-based mattress is fine. Insulates to the ground better than most air mattresses.
If you have warm clothes, as example for skiing, you can add insulating underwear below. And you don't change this for a day - it's possible to sleep in sleeping bags with clothes (or at least partial clothes) for better insulation and less stress for the body if you go in and out of it. Changing clothes in sub zero temperatures is not that enjoyable. Even as I go peeing outside sometimes.. in boxer shorts at snow, but that's another story.
Really relevant is the "how does insulation handle getting wet by as example sweat?" aspect. Rain or snow being another one. If you don't have to fulfill heavy muscular works outside, you might not sweat that much, as such it shouldn't change too much over time (your temperature in the insulation). But if I as example would use a warm, but not water proof jacket outside and it gets wet.. that's for many of their insulation concepts a reduction up to 90% of their effect.
As such it gets cold, wet and unenjoyable, even more if you are not bodily active, but just standing around or sitting. You would have to do body sports to keep enjoyably warm and that's rarely an option for hours of waiting for the sleds to arrive.
There's as well the possibility to use electronic-heated (rechargeable battery powered) clothing pieces, like gloves, jacket, boot inlays.. but that's expanding this little information too far.
With the right clothes (and no need to swap them in the short time span of likely < 24 hours) that's well do-able and very comfortable, even if you would just sit around until they arrive.
@FloofyNewfie : Will respond to that in another posting, else it gets toooooo long.
You're a well-caring owner, that's visible. Wonder why the prior owners (or just anyone) got or kept dogs if they abuse them.. not understandable.
No problem! I'm privately quite often what you would call "off-grid" and between two lifestyle extremes (ecologist and high-technologist), means: parttime unheated buildings while it's -4°C outside right now. And inside like -1°C. ?
Yep, different sleeping bags, with quite the variety of filling materials. Downs (by gooses) are expensive and often mixed with their other feathers (which are cheaper, but less insulating), but very light. They don't insulate well if wet (while often being water-repellent themself or coated), but that's why the bags are made with water-repellent or exchanging materials themself. Plastic fibers are less sensitive to getting wet, but insulate a bit worse and don't exchange steam / fumes aka sweat that well to the outside, neither do they "adjust" the temperature that well.
But they can be bought starting at around 25-50€ for a very cheap, simple sleeping bag. Which I wouldn't suggest one to sleep in any icy environment with, else frost bite and necrotic results might occur. ?
Deuter as example fabricates "mountain usable" sleeping bags, like their Astro 800 / 1000 line. Filled by downs and very comfy, even at below 0°C temperatures. There are other manufacturers and even deeper temperature areas which some other models can be used in (the Astro 1000 should go down to around -10°C, before it gets quite cold inside). They cost a few hundred €, tho.
Really important is as well another aspect: the insulation related to the ground. If one wants to sleep outside in snow, that's possible, same goes for sleeping on a cold ground, but it needs insulation below your body. Either a thick foam-based mattress (if weight doesn't play a role) or a light insulated air mattress (which costs a few hundred € as well, if made for extreme temperatures). For temporary solutions without relevance of their weight (as such: you don't travel with the mattress on your back) a foam-based mattress is fine. Insulates to the ground better than most air mattresses.
If you have warm clothes, as example for skiing, you can add insulating underwear below. And you don't change this for a day - it's possible to sleep in sleeping bags with clothes (or at least partial clothes) for better insulation and less stress for the body if you go in and out of it. Changing clothes in sub zero temperatures is not that enjoyable. Even as I go peeing outside sometimes.. in boxer shorts at snow, but that's another story.
Really relevant is the "how does insulation handle getting wet by as example sweat?" aspect. Rain or snow being another one. If you don't have to fulfill heavy muscular works outside, you might not sweat that much, as such it shouldn't change too much over time (your temperature in the insulation). But if I as example would use a warm, but not water proof jacket outside and it gets wet.. that's for many of their insulation concepts a reduction up to 90% of their effect.
As such it gets cold, wet and unenjoyable, even more if you are not bodily active, but just standing around or sitting. You would have to do body sports to keep enjoyably warm and that's rarely an option for hours of waiting for the sleds to arrive.
There's as well the possibility to use electronic-heated (rechargeable battery powered) clothing pieces, like gloves, jacket, boot inlays.. but that's expanding this little information too far.
With the right clothes (and no need to swap them in the short time span of likely < 24 hours) that's well do-able and very comfortable, even if you would just sit around until they arrive.
@FloofyNewfie : Will respond to that in another posting, else it gets toooooo long.
You're a well-caring owner, that's visible.
Wonder why the prior owners (or just anyone) got or kept dogs if they abuse them.. not understandable.
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That's what's good about communities such as this one. Yeah, there's a lot of SEX! SEX! SEX! involved with this forum, but for many of us, we really do care about our animal partners. We recognize that they are sentient beings with thoughts, wants, emotions, and personality. It's always great to see us coming together and discussing things such as this.
That's what's good about communities such as this one. Yeah, there's a lot of SEX! SEX! SEX! involved with this forum, but for many of us, we really do care about our animal partners. We recognize that they are sentient beings with thoughts, wants, emotions, and personality. It's always great to see us coming together and discussing things such as this.
Deagle113
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144532. @FloofyNewfie your post warmed my heart and made my night better. The world, and dogs, need as many of you as they can get , and these relationships, and the deep inter species empathy inherent to them, are unique and one of the reasons I think being a zoo makes me a better vet.
@YanchaOkami gonna take notes now. Not used to really cold weather like you describe, and it sounds like it can be relished as long as you have the right gear!
, and these relationships, and the deep inter species empathy inherent to them, are unique and one of the reasons I think being a zoo makes me a better vet. @YanchaOkami gonna take notes now. Not used to really cold weather like you describe, and it sounds like it can be relished as long as you have the right gear!
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I know I definitely couldn't be a vet myself. I believe I'd likely the the intellectual capability if given all the proper training, but it would take a toll on my heart. Although the main difference between me and any other devoted dog lover than understands their canine companions is the fact that I'm not shy towards giving them sexual pleasure when they want it. Lol
But I'm glad my snippets warmed your heart tonight!
I know I definitely couldn't be a vet myself. I believe I'd likely the the intellectual capability if given all the proper training, but it would take a toll on my heart. Although the main difference between me and any other devoted dog lover than understands their canine companions is the fact that I'm not shy towards giving them sexual pleasure when they want it. Lol
But I'm glad my snippets warmed your heart tonight!
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The world and dogs need more people like you Floofy!
The world and dogs need more people like you Floofy!
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I’m am in fact lol
I’m am in fact lol
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Reading this thread warmed me up. After unfortunately having to get out of the snuggle blankets with the dogs.
Hello good people. ?
Reading this thread warmed me up. After unfortunately having to get out of the snuggle blankets with the dogs.
Hello good people. ?
Deagle113
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Welcome fox floof! ?
There are certainly days, and weeks, that drain my heart—it isn’t easy! I stuck with it because I’m stubborn, not because of intelligence lol. I think the addition of being willing to sexually engage in a genuine and intimate way with animals selects for people who also treat their animals as having agency and worth respecting, which naturally leads to better care taken of them all round. More inter species relationships enhances the human animal bond!
Welcome fox floof! ?
There are certainly days, and weeks, that drain my heart—it isn’t easy! I stuck with it because I’m stubborn, not because of intelligence lol. I think the addition of being willing to sexually engage in a genuine and intimate way with animals selects for people who also treat their animals as having agency and worth respecting, which naturally leads to better care taken of them all round. More inter species relationships enhances the human animal bond!
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Hey fox ??
Hey fox ??
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I wish I wasn't too tired to (and late) to type something more meaningful. I just want to crawl back into bed for warm smooshes.
But hi all. ?
Which one?
This ^
I wish I wasn't too tired to (and late) to type something more meaningful. I just want to crawl back into bed for warm smooshes.
Which one?
But hi all. ?
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But what I will say is that I'm not perfect. Like most people I've unfortunately made my fair share of mistakes. It's all a part of the human condition we are all subjected to. There's things that I know now that I wish I knew years ago. All I can do is try my absolute best to take care of the ones I hold near and dear to my heart, but I will certainly make more mistakes in the future, and with time I will learn from them. It's all that I can do.
Good... good. You shall be spared from the great purge! I joke, but maybe after the whole DD incident, maybe I shouldn't?
But what I will say is that I'm not perfect. Like most people I've unfortunately made my fair share of mistakes. It's all a part of the human condition we are all subjected to. There's things that I know now that I wish I knew years ago. All I can do is try my absolute best to take care of the ones I hold near and dear to my heart, but I will certainly make more mistakes in the future, and with time I will learn from them. It's all that I can do.
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Welcome FloofandtheHounds! ??
She pets you back with her paws? That's really adorable. Cuddling is not that important - they seem to be very caring for each other and you as well. Mine wasn't a big cuddler outside of bed as well, but in bed she liked to cuddle either on my legs or body, depending on temperature, even for many hours without any interest to get up, lol.
That's why I swapped from veterinary studies to a specialized engineer after almost two years. It would break my heart, as people come rarely to a veterinary for "happy" reasons (aside vaccinations, food recommendations, spot-ons or claw trimming, as example). Even if you blow technology up, it's replaceable. It doesn't "die". Even if something is broken beyond repair, you can often still use the material for another project.
You - as I was already here.
That's the same for all living beings. Life would be boring if one didn't need to learn anything.
The difference to many of the human race seems to be: you want to learn and improve. Some don't want to leave their reflected status quo, don't want to learn, just project their experience as "that's it" without opening any thought for possibility of improving.
Welcome FloofandtheHounds! ??
She pets you back with her paws? That's really adorable. Cuddling is not that important - they seem to be very caring for each other and you as well. Mine wasn't a big cuddler outside of bed as well, but in bed she liked to cuddle either on my legs or body, depending on temperature, even for many hours without any interest to get up, lol.
That's why I swapped from veterinary studies to a specialized engineer after almost two years. It would break my heart, as people come rarely to a veterinary for "happy" reasons (aside vaccinations, food recommendations, spot-ons or claw trimming, as example). Even if you blow technology up, it's replaceable. It doesn't "die". Even if something is broken beyond repair, you can often still use the material for another project.
Which one?
You - as I was already here.
That's the same for all living beings. Life would be boring if one didn't need to learn anything.
The difference to many of the human race seems to be: you want to learn and improve. Some don't want to leave their reflected status quo, don't want to learn, just project their experience as "that's it" without opening any thought for possibility of improving.
Deagle113
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Dealing with death every day breaks and remakes my heart on the regular. But being there to gently slip an old doggo across the veil while holding the hand of the person that he mattered most to in this life and being in that moment as a fellow human, broken by the passing of this beautiful amazing friend that even all the science in the world can’t change—I wouldn’t trade it.
However, this is also why I go home let my dog drool on my pillow, and go to cat cafes, and volunteer with various dog sports and also want to make my way to a cold snow race—the happy part of animals is indeed rarely at the clinic.
@FloofyNewfie i actually got some Gold Peak tea today simply because of you. And it was delicious.
Dealing with death every day breaks and remakes my heart on the regular. But being there to gently slip an old doggo across the veil while holding the hand of the person that he mattered most to in this life and being in that moment as a fellow human, broken by the passing of this beautiful amazing friend that even all the science in the world can’t change—I wouldn’t trade it.
However, this is also why I go home let my dog drool on my pillow, and go to cat cafes, and volunteer with various dog sports and also want to make my way to a cold snow race—the happy part of animals is indeed rarely at the clinic.
@FloofyNewfie i actually got some Gold Peak tea today simply because of you. And it was delicious.
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But yes, while they both don't cuddle, they all do show their affections towards their beloved pack members. We're one small happy little family, and I couldn't ask for more than that.
Unfortunately for some they will always be stuck in the same patterns, the same negative behaviors and attributes, and will not see any problems with it. They'll get stuck in a consistent loop. Sometimes it's caused by ignorance, and sometimes it's cause by stubbornness. I, however, have learned better than to follow the same negative behaviors over, and over, and over again even if it sometimes takes me a while to figure them out. Unfortunately, many will go their whole lives without figuring this out. I'm not afraid to admit that I'm wrong about things, everyone has their own set of irrational beliefs, biases, thought traps, and thought spirals. Realizing you're not above such irrational beliefs, biases, thought traps and thought spirals is one of the first steps towards self-reflection and mitigation or elimination of such behaviors. I also have to knowledge that everything... yes everything... we think we know is incorrect in one form or another, whether minor or major.
It's honestly kinda hard to describe, but what she will do is when I'm petting her chest floof (one of her favorite spot for pets besides her lower back) she will take her paw, lift it up, and gently stroke my arms and legs while I'm trying to pet her. Another thing she'll do is, if I'm not hitting just the right area on her chest, she will take my arm with her paw and guide it to where she'd like to be pet. As the spot on the chest she wants pet often changes areas.
But yes, while they both don't cuddle, they all do show their affections towards their beloved pack members. We're one small happy little family, and I couldn't ask for more than that.
Indeed, indeed. It comes partially from wisdom gained from experience, and partially from my understanding of human psychology. While I don't do so anymore, when I was younger I used to spend hours upon hours of studying psychology. Not only do you get to figure out the rational of others, you end up learning a lot about your own mind, your own behavior, and how it affects you and everyone around you.
Unfortunately for some they will always be stuck in the same patterns, the same negative behaviors and attributes, and will not see any problems with it. They'll get stuck in a consistent loop. Sometimes it's caused by ignorance, and sometimes it's cause by stubbornness. I, however, have learned better than to follow the same negative behaviors over, and over, and over again even if it sometimes takes me a while to figure them out. Unfortunately, many will go their whole lives without figuring this out. I'm not afraid to admit that I'm wrong about things, everyone has their own set of irrational beliefs, biases, thought traps, and thought spirals. Realizing you're not above such irrational beliefs, biases, thought traps and thought spirals is one of the first steps towards self-reflection and mitigation or elimination of such behaviors. I also have to knowledge that everything... yes everything... we think we know is incorrect in one form or another, whether minor or major.