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Zoo are you born or are you made?

Zoo are you born or are you made?

  • Born

    Votes: 109 59.6%

  • Made

    Votes: 74 40.4%
  • Total voters
    183
Brigitte said:
In a way I'm glad zoophilia is so taboo since if it wasn't you would see that people like you and me are quite rare and most would gladly sex up prostitution rings for dogs, horses, etc and would not give two fucks about the morality of it all. It's sad but a lot of people view non-human animals as just tools for our goals whatever they may be
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Interesting thoughts, but maybe it could cause that pendulum to swing in the opposite direction..
 
Brigitte said:
I think non-human animal rights would have to be established first before we could publicly accept zoophilia. Otherwise zoophilia would probably be exploited
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Perhaps, but considering that they use abuse laws in convictions involving zoos, that could go the other way too.

Although I would like to see some animal rights movements as well.

They come down on us so hard, but pay little mind to what big corporations are doing every day.

Which in itself should tell you who's pulling the strings where laws are concerned.

Hmmm... never thought about it that way..

Should zoophilia become legally accepted, that would involve taking a different look at animals and their rights, which by default would give leverage against the big corporations doing this shit.

Sounds like some tin foil hat shit, but......
 
K_9River_rat said:
Perhaps, but considering that they use abuse laws in convictions involving zoos, that could go the other way too.

Although I would like to see some animal rights movements as well.

They come down on us so hard, but pay little mind to what big corporations are doing every day.

Which in itself should tell you who's pulling the strings where laws are concerned.

Hmmm... never thought about it that way..

Should zoophilia become legally accepted, that would involve taking a different look at animals and their rights, which by default would give leverage against the big corporations doing this shit.

Sounds like some tin foil hat shit, but......
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To go this deep a lot more study into communication and animal psychology need happen, I would say.

We need to have a broader understanding of what they try to convey so that we can interpret a positive from a negative, or in this case, cared vs abused.

Without a much deeper scientific backing, I would be hesitant to support, or even be happy about legalization efforts. Just because too much left to interpretation is a bad thing
 
Brigitte said:
This is my main concern. Looking at what corporations do now what would it look like in a world where zoophilia is accepted. I could see new breed's being created just for porn or prostitution. And just general corporate sexual exploitation
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I see more of big corporations profit margins being threatened if animals were raised in status.

And if there's one thing I believe, it's that politicians world wide are simply puppets for the world's largest corporations.
 
Back to our original train of thoughts before I have to go do some work.

I'm also curious about equines, as far as how long they've been alongside us, and how that fits in with k9s, and the prevalence of equine and k9 with zoos.

In other words, in what I was looking at last night for k9s, equines were mentioned, and it didn't hit me at the time, but I'm pretty sure they were second in longevity with humans only to k9s.

I also seem to remember a poll on this site, that showed k9s as most popular, with equines second.

I'd love to get good numbers on that, and I'm curious is the time ratio between the two would he close to the popularly ratio...
 
K_9River_rat said:
Back to our original train of thoughts before I have to go do some work.

I'm also curious about equines, as far as how long they've been alongside us, and how that fits in with k9s, and the prevalence of equine and k9 with zoos.

In other words, in what I was looking at last night for k9s, equines were mentioned, and it didn't hit me at the time, but I'm pretty sure they were second in longevity with humans only to k9s.

I also seem to remember a poll on this site, that showed k9s as most popular, with equines second.

I'd love to get good numbers on that, and I'm curious is the time ratio between the two would he close to the popularly ratio...
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I may do some searching on that, but I do believe I'm safe to assume I know the result will be K9 and equine are top 2 by a sizeable margin
 
Brigitte said:
I'm just going to guess that canines will be 60%ish and equines will be 30%
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I feel like it may be a mistake to assume the ratio of those two.

We've had working horses and dogs for nearly the same length of time.

Horses did become very popular to own, as well, during a period, since they were practical and general use. Dogs in those times would have been more relegated to herding, guarding, hunting, etc. But with dogs you often would have more than one, so it could be closer to a balance than that.
 
Well here's a start. Jesus finding studies on this is difficult.

So far several agree the prevalence of zoophilia among the global population to be approx 2%. That's no small number tho, that's still, on average, 160 million people.
 
JazzyPaws said:
I feel like it may be a mistake to assume the ratio of those two.

We've had working horses and dogs for nearly the same length of time.

Horses did become very popular to own, as well, during a period, since they were practical and general use. Dogs in those times would have been more relegated to herding, guarding, hunting, etc. But with dogs you often would have more than one, so it could be closer to a balance than that.
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Preliminary review of that is suggesting a big difference on that.

Archeology initially had k9s and humans starting about 30,000 years ago.

Recently, molecular biology changed that and is saying a better number is about 140,000 years ago is when it appears that we started selective breeding of k9s

I haven't gone in depth on equines yet, but just glancing shows only 5,000 to 10,000 years, but unknown if that figure is from archeological records, or molecular biology, but I'm going to assume archeology for now until I can do more research
 
K_9River_rat said:
Preliminary review of that is suggesting a big difference on that.

Archeology initially had k9s and humans starting about 30,000 years ago.

Recently, molecular biology changed that and is saying a better number is about 140,000 years ago is when it appears that we started selective breeding of k9s

I haven't gone in depth on equines yet, but just glancing shows only 5,000 to 10,000 years, but unknown if that figure is from archeological records, or molecular biology, but I'm going to assume archeology for now until I can do more research
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That is interesting. Comparing my own results I find the same thing, I do notice this is all archeological tho. I would love to find more concrete genetic evidence.
 
JazzyPaws said:
One pegged it as high as 5, but most settle on 2
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Even so, I've got to believe those numbers are skewed.

Nearly every one of us here would have potentially checked "non zoo" on a survey at some point in time or another.

How many others may have done the same.

The whole taboo thing just pollutes the numbers, as do the sick fucks that aren't really zoo at all, but just sick fucks in every regard.

Coming out as zoo just isn't the same as coming out LGBT these days.

Maybe a better metric would be looking at LGBT numbers from back when that was as taboo as zoo is now.

I would assume LGBT per capita numbers in terms of actual percentage haven't really changed much, even though the statistics likely have.

The difference in those statistics may give a better idea of many hidden zoos are potentially out there.
 
Brigitte said:
Now that i think of it there are probably many who have done such a good job at lying to them self's they could never think they were a zoo unless it was socially acceptable. After all LGBT rates sky rocketed after it became more socially acceptable, so the same would probably be true with zoophilia
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Even for those who are attracted to animals, it is definitely safer to simply have human partners assuming they are also attracted to humans. There's simply no need for them to ever explore that part of themself.
 
Brigitte said:
Now that i think of it there are probably many who have done such a good job at lying to them self's they could never think they were a zoo unless it was socially acceptable. After all LGBT rates sky rocketed after it became more socially acceptable, so the same would probably be true with zoophilia
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Exactly, and while not exact science, LGBT statistics from say the 1950s compared to now could give an idea of how many may still be in the closet.
 
We're still in simple stages here, but probably a good idea to start recording where we're getting numbers.

This could go nowhere, or become something none of us saw coming.

In the case of the latter, being able to cite sources will be important
 
K_9River_rat said:
None of us were there to witness any of this to be able to say absolutely one way or the other, but I think what I proposed here has a better chance of being likely rather than unlikely.

I believe we had a much more symbiotic relationship with k9s in the distant past.
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Never let this go and never forget. My family never did.
 
I've always felt closer to animals than people. That and apparently our male doggo had convinced me to hold his cock for him at way too early of an age lol
 
K_9River_rat said:
Please explain further
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The simple version is this. Zoophilia use to be a major element in social human existence, but that was a very long time ago. Over the centuries, less and less members of the human race lived this way and allowed corrupt authoritarian organizations to dictate a different social existence. My family was simply among the very few who chose to not be affected by this enforced social change and have been this way from the very beginning. My family remembered a lot about what human existence was really like in the forgotten past. We never forgot and passed this knowledge down over the eons from generation to generation.
 
Predlov said:
The simple version is this. Zoophilia use to be a major element in social human existence, but that was a very long time ago. Over the centuries, less and less members of the human race lived this way and allowed corrupt authoritarian organizations to dictate a different social existence. My family was simply among the very few who chose to not be affected by this enforced social change and have been this way from the very beginning. My family remembered a lot about what human existence was really like in the forgotten past. We never forgot and passed this knowledge down over the eons from generation to generation.
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I'd like to hear more of that history.

Is any written down?
 
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