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Why do different languages look like absolute gibberish?

pinescentedpuppy said:
why are you guys giving recon such a hard time omg :ROFLMAO: it’s not slipping backwards, it constantly evolves! plus, text speech doesn’t reflect spoken language anyways so it’s hard to say it’s devolving when it’s just casual.

languages are a big interest of mine but I’ve only had time to study Japanese thoroughly since I can actually exchange tweets with other artists and talk..

its not so much gibberish, as it has its own rule sets. like in Japanese! kanji actually do have ways of predicting how they sound, you just have to get used to the basic ones! like onyomi and kunyomi! Which is Native Sound and Chinese sound (basically, it’s literal Is a little different and the Sounds aren’t like Chinese at all, but a telephone game of Chinese,,,)

learning Rendaku, and learning the radicals help decipher meaning! like 痛 having the radical for sickness, 疒. It’s a person on a bed!
Also マ and 用... I’m not sure why the latter two are there but a lot of sicknesses have that radical!

I love that it’s so different, but if you had an apple both would know what it is, just in a different context ~ it’s neat!

cyrillic is a lot to take in tho HAHA especially cursive XD i wouldn’t know the process or grammar to tell you tips or verbs, conjugation, etc...
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You need to spend some more time on the site. You will then recognize that as one of the most civil, with opposing sides, discussions you'll ever see here. Go back and read it through very closely, and you might see that.
 
Reconscope said:
um... ok
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Im not really trying to give you a hard time, here.... but it goes like this....A is for apple. Its okay to say A is for avocado, or aardvark...but if you say A is for " beehive", it doesn't matter to anyone that youre being original because they arent going to understand it. Language is about commonality. If you didnt care about that, you wouldn't BE here.

First they came for the apostrophe, and I said nothing, because I wasnt a contractor, then they came for the question mark, and I said nothing, because I wasn't inquisitive....then they came for the Period.....and now everyone here is having a Cow.
 
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pinescentedpuppy said:
why are you guys giving recon such a hard time omg :ROFLMAO: it’s not slipping backwards, it constantly evolves! plus, text speech doesn’t reflect spoken language anyways so it’s hard to say it’s devolving when it’s just casual.

languages are a big interest of mine but I’ve only had time to study Japanese thoroughly since I can actually exchange tweets with other artists and talk..

its not so much gibberish, as it has its own rule sets. like in Japanese! kanji actually do have ways of predicting how they sound, you just have to get used to the basic ones! like onyomi and kunyomi! Which is Native Sound and Chinese sound (basically, it’s literal Is a little different and the Sounds aren’t like Chinese at all, but a telephone game of Chinese,,,)

learning Rendaku, and learning the radicals help decipher meaning! like 痛 having the radical for sickness, 疒. It’s a person on a bed!
Also マ and 用... I’m not sure why the latter two are there but a lot of sicknesses have that radical!

I love that it’s so different, but if you had an apple both would know what it is, just in a different context ~ it’s neat!

cyrillic is a lot to take in tho HAHA especially cursive XD i wouldn’t know the process or grammar to tell you tips or verbs, conjugation, etc...
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Who says its not slipping backwards? Not the majority of Linguisticians; they curse pop music mightily every day. Evolution is fine, IF thats what you call a division that separates the "hep" from the boring old mainstream. Ever seen the original "West Side Story"? Laurents and the team created a brand new slang for the show, because he did not want the show to date itself. At the time it sounded odd, but the show WORKS.
Heres the point.....does "Cut the frabba-jabba" ring a bell? Or "Cracko, Jacko!"? No, because those words never became fashionable off-stage. Do not confuse the concept of Evolution with the forces of Fashion. Fashion turns on a dime and gives 9 cents change; fashionistas are proud of it. But it doesnt last. Punctuation is important for COMPREHENSION, the key to understanding. You dont have to like it; but if you expect to be understood, you do it.

For Reconscope: I mean you no harm....but when I said the other day that sometimes its okay to Stop talking, this sort of thing is exactly what I meant. It isnt that you have nothing to say....but you need to get better at saying it.
 
dartel said:
It's grammatically Germanic but predominately Latin roots for vocabulary. That's why there's so much similarity to spanish and french words, same vocabulary root.
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Old English and Old Teutonic were virtually the same language. Middle english and modern German are so similar that if you can read one, you can likely stumble through the other. And likely, swedish will be readable as well IF you keep an open mind.
 
Reconscope said:
It is? I didn't know. (Not being sarcastic)
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Yep! If you want to be either, you must speak and understand English. At least, that’s how it used to be when I graduated from the army’s control tower operations school in the early 80’s. When President Reagan fired the air traffic controllers, we filled in until the Oklahoma school caught up.
 
K9sully said:
Yep! If you want to be either, you must speak and understand English. At least, that’s how it used to be when I graduated from the army’s control tower operations school in the early 80’s. When President Reagan fired the air traffic controllers, we filled in until the Oklahoma school caught up.
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That's intriguing
 
K9sully said:
English is the universal language. Ask any pilot or air traffic controller.
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Yes, every pilot and air traffic controller in the world, regardless of what country in which they live or what airline based in what country,
is required to be proficient in, and use while working, English.
 
As a person who actively uses 4 Slavic languages and understands more of them, I wouldn't say they either sound like gibberish, or are disorganised. There are clear rules, just like in English. They use elements that are not in English and may sound strange, but on other hand, they don't use ridiculous number of times and tenses.
What sounds like gibberish to me, is Arabic. But that's probably only because I cannot read it and don't have any basic knowledge about the system of the language.

Pretty much all languages need to be organised and have clear rules in order to have a group of speakers, who can sustain it and pass it to next generations.
 
K9sully said:
Yep! If you want to be either, you must speak and understand English. At least, that’s how it used to be when I graduated from the army’s control tower operations school in the early 80’s. When President Reagan fired the air traffic controllers, we filled in until the Oklahoma school caught up.
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Still is. I took classes in Aviation Weather for elective credit a few years back....we had in class a dozen Japanese kids and some Chinese kids studying ATC. most of them did not speak english very well. The Instructor made a point of telling them they'd get no breaks from him on it. They were required to speak reasonably fluent English before degreeing out of school.
 
saddlebum66 said:
Still is. I took classes in Aviation Weather for elective credit a few years back....we had in class a dozen Japanese kids and some Chinese kids studying ATC. most of them did not speak english very well. The Instructor made a point of telling them they'd get no breaks from him on it. They were required to speak reasonably fluent English before degreeing out of school.
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That is fascinating & it makes perfect sense for there to be a required universal language for those jobs w the stunning amount of international flights happen every day
 
MishaCZ said:
There are clear rules, just like in English.
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Wait, since when does english have clear rules? English is such a wild hodgepodge of grammer and vocabulary that every rules has 20 exceptions, complete with exceptions to exceptions. From what I've heard in the past english is the 2nd hardest second language in the world to learn, simply because of its mind boggling lack of coherent rules.
 
V4rmint said:
That is fascinating & it makes perfect sense for there to be a required universal language for those jobs w the stunning amount of international flights happen every day
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I would generalize that somewhat. If delay or failure in communication could lead to serious problems everyone there must be fluent in a common language. Air traffic control, hospital emergency rooms, police/fire departments, etc. No doubt this would be criticized by some "progressive" politicians as discriminatory/racist/whatever, but no sane person would agree.
 
j217 said:
I would generalize that somewhat. If delay or failure in communication could lead to serious problems everyone there must be fluent in a common language. Air traffic control, hospital emergency rooms, police/fire departments, etc. No doubt this would be criticized by some "progressive" politicians as discriminatory/racist/whatever, but no sane person would agree.
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Well (coming from a progressive) it'd logically have to be either English, Mandarin or Japanese and they're all hard to learn but I think English is spoken in more places already than the other 2 so it's kind of a foregone conclusion


Also we invented the airplane so there :gsd_laughing:
 
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dartel said:
Wait, since when does english have clear rules? English is such a wild hodgepodge of grammer and vocabulary that every rules has 20 exceptions, complete with exceptions to exceptions. From what I've heard in the past english is the 2nd hardest second language in the world to learn, simply because of its mind boggling lack of coherent rules.
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Every language has that, don't they? At least those I know definitelly do. The exceptions are what we learn at school, making them a rule of their own. And I don't know what your source is, but that sounds dubious. It wouldn't be semi-universal language, if it would be too hard to learn.
Here is 56 variants of conjugation in Polish, for example, this must be hell for non native speakers :D droppedImage-filtered.jpg
 
Everyone should learn Latin, every word has 20-40 forms but if your grammar is correct word order doesn't matter
 
V4rmint said:
Well (coming from a progressive) it'd logically have to be either English, Mandarin or Japanese and they're all hard to learn but I think English is spoken in more places already than the other 2 so it's kind of a foregone conclusion


Also we invented the airplane so there :gsd_laughing:
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I agree that English is the best choice for anything international. For local situations, such as a hospital emergency room, I think the local language would be best. Where there is more than one language in common use you need enough multlingual people that someone is immediately available to translate if necessary (having everyone speak every language they might encounter would be ideal but not always practical). Some jobs now do require (officially or non-officially) being bilingual. I think it would be very hard to get a job at any fast food place in S. California if you don't speak English and Spanish.

You describe yourself as a progressive. I did for most of my life, but the meaning of the word seems to be changing in American politics. It used to be that tolerance was a basic part of being progressive, but for many it now seems that intolerance of anyone who disagrees with you on anything is required. To them you are a racist or sexist monster if you told some offensive jokes when you were 14 years old. It used to be that you could have great respect for people you disagreed with on some issues (as my parents did), but unfortunately that is disappearing and everything is becoming us (the good guys) against them(the bad guys). I saw a bumper sticker a year or 2 ago that said "I'm not a Republican, I'm not a Democrat, I'm an American and I want my country back". I think that expresses the feelings of many of us.

I'm pretty sure that you were using the word in the traditional way, and not the one that is becoming more common.
 
Word order enhances context, which is imperative to comprehension.
You Folks are forgetting English is The Language that lures other languages into blind dark alleys mugs them, and rifles their pockets for spare words.

Joking aside, English picks up words from other tongues readily. It probably has the largest lexicon of any; as such, of COURSE rules have many exceptions. But there ARE rules, and they do apply to much of our speech.
Yes...Latin is useful to know, for word roots, as is Greek....but they aren't mandatory in ed. because they aren't necessary anymore. They used to be a part of what was called a Classical Education.
 
@Kristy
if you read my post again you’d see i was being playful as well :3 also i do spend time here, i just don’t comment BECAUSE of how divisive everyone gets lmao

@saddlebum66

it is being used in a way indicative of common speech, in real life, though. its a rising tone, which is meant for “are you following me?” and it’s common. supposedly it’s from Valley Speech and a lot of people use it even here in the Midwest of America. like how !!!! is for excitement instead of anger, etc. and when we’re texting “.” becomes authoritative.

its evolved because there’s not a whole lot of ways to show tones on the inter webs. i am all for punctuation! it’s good and I’m fond of it, I understand the need. I just feel as though throwing away tones is just nit picky. i don’t mean that in a mean way, i mean it’s something you could take or leave and it can be understood by most. then again i grew up on the web and know a lot of Internet Grammar Rules _(-ω-`_)⌒)_

i am not arguing for lingo. Lingo is... different. I know in 40 years I’ll make my grandkids cringe with “bruh”. i am “arguing“ over tonals. a lot of people say English doesn’t have them, but ! and ? technically are in speech, because we rise or descend at the end to indicate them, and when we think to type we’re going by the voice in our head that’s speaking, rather than a stuffy textbook. if i was writing an essay for college, i’d have thrown in a lot more ems and semicolons, and hemhawed more HAAH
if you like academic speech, that’s fine. i just feel as if a lot of texting has become more friendly to dialectal texting which is good.

i have not watched west side.. i am not that fond of musicals. i... don’t think I’m old enough to know those references, either... nor do i feel as if they work in any context.

i feel as though pop is following the trends of speech rather than written word and academia, and should be evaluated that way. i mean, speech isn’t going to be the same in every location, dialects are a thing.

though one could argue a lot of pop has no substance, and i’m here for that one.....


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i accidentally wrote a book sorry HAHA
 
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pinescentedpuppy said:
@Kristy
if you read my post again you’d see i was being playful as well :3 also i do spend time here, i just don’t comment BECAUSE of how divisive everyone gets lmao

@saddlebum66

it is being used in a way indicative of common speech, in real life though. its a rising tone, which is meant for “are you following me?” and it’s common, supposedly it’s from Valley Speech and a lot of people use it even here in the Midwest of America. !!!! is for excitement instead of anger, etc. its evolved because there’s not a whole lot of ways to show tones on the inter webs. i am all for punctuation! it’s good and I’m fond of it, I understand the need. I just feel as though throwing away tones is just nit picky. i don’t mean that in a mean way, i mean it’s something you could take or leave and it can be understood by most. then again i grew up on the web and know a lot of Internet Grammar Rules _(-ω-`_)⌒)_

i have not watched west side.. i am not that fond of musicals. i feel as though pop is following the trends of speech rather than written word and academia, and should be evaluated that way. i mean, speech isn’t going to be the same in every location, dialects are a thing.

though one could argue a lot of pop has no substance, and i’m here for that one.....
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Thank-you.
 
I will agree about pop....its basically far more influential these days than it ought to be, and has led the way to some things we could do without....such as "Reality Shows"
 
j217 said:
You describe yourself as a progressive. I did for most of my life, but the meaning of the word seems to be changing in American politics. It used to be that tolerance was a basic part of being progressive, but for many it now seems that intolerance of anyone who disagrees with you on anything is required. To them you are a racist or sexist monster if you told some offensive jokes when you were 14 years old. It used to be that you could have great respect for people you disagreed with on some issues (as my parents did), but unfortunately that is disappearing and everything is becoming us (the good guys) against them(the bad guys). I saw a bumper sticker a year or 2 ago that said "I'm not a Republican, I'm not a Democrat, I'm an American and I want my country back". I think that expresses the feelings of many of us.

I'm pretty sure that you were using the word in the traditional way, and not the one that is becoming more common.
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Your assumption is correct, I reject & oppose purity culture in all walks of life. There is no progress if we don't let people progress. I've said & done horrid things in the past. (like...14 years ago is a good example actually lol) I'm not that person anymore. Everyone deserves a chance to learn from their mistakes & disavow what they did on purpose. There's a limit here obvs, like if you murder someone or touch a kid there's no walking that back, but for things like shitty views everyone should be allowed to grow as people instead of being thrown away forever for shit they said a decade ago esp. of they've since changed their behavior.

Now if they haven't changed or even acknowledged their shit or if they're still doing it they need to be held to account until they turn it around, but what's the fucking point of acting like people can't change? That's such a dim & limiting view & IMO antithetical to progress. So yeah fuck purity culture a whole lot
 
If you want to see some REAL gibberish, learn javascript and try to read some obfuscated code. You may be able to understand a simple function after a few days of reading and analyzing. Only to realize you did some mistake at the very beginning. ¬fun.
 
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V4rmint said:
Now if they haven't changed or even acknowledged their shit or if they're still doing it they need to be held to account until they turn it around, but what's the fucking point of acting like people can't change? That's such a dim & limiting view & IMO antithetical to progress. So yeah fuck purity culture a whole lot
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Give me your definition of "change" so I can better comprehend your message.
 
Pillar said:
Give me your definition of "change" so I can better comprehend your message.
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As in stopped doing whatever shit they were doing like saying racist crap, making Holocaust jokes etc, ideally w a turnaround to advocate for whatever group they were being shitty to in the past
James Gunn is the 1st example to leap to mind, he used to say a lot of pretty fuckin' horrible things but he knocked it off
 
I had to read Chaucer in Old English. It looked like gibberish, but if you read aloud it made sense and sounded as though I should know it although the words sounded strange. I learnt German and French, which helped a lot. I eventually managed to translate it a bit. I also read Beowulf in an even older version. There was a lot of German in it.

When I lived in Wales, I had no point of reference and although it is a beautiful language to hear spoken, I never understood a word! The Welsh for Police is nice though, Heddlu (pronounced like "hetthly" sort of). I think they are probably the nicest sounding police in the world!
 
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