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Veterinarian here: ask me anything!

How can I get my cat to shut the fuck up? I love him to death, but he is FAR too vocal.

Within 15 seconds of me walking in the door the other day, he meowed 11 tones, and didn't stop after that. If I leave the room, he yowls. He's woken me up in the middle of the night yowling. He'll get off my lap or he'll get up from lying on top of me in bed and go into a different room and just start doing it for no reason.

I've taken him to different vets multiple times. They can't find anything wrong with him and I'm seriously losing my patience with him. It's literally affecting my mental health at this point.
My cat is the same, he's no longer allowed in the shared spaces with anyone else as he will get anxious, go to the closest door and stand in the corner yowling these horrible scared cries. He does the same when he knows I'm home and in another room and wont stop until I come in and pat him. It used to be a lot worse when he was allowed in the other rooms but now that he is confined to one room he has become a lot more comfortable. I must add that he has access to everything he needs, a window to look out and watch birds, scratching pole, the essentials and a fish tank to sit near to stare at, so he is certainly taken care of and entertained. It could be an anxiety thing as it was for my boy- he still will not eat full dinners unless I am in the room to offer emotional support.

Another note: I know at the height of my frustration with my boy, I would lash out and yell or push him. This definitely created an echo-chamber of anxiety and frustration for us both. Now when I hear him yowling I will give him some time so that he does not think that yowling will summon me immediately but when I do go to see him I take some treats and take 5 minutes to sit with him until he eats and I leave again. It has helped a lot, especially since eating is a calming thing (as far as I am aware?) and he has seemingly begun to associate me leaving with a (supposedly) calming activity (eating tasty food).

I hope you can find some solutions, I understand the stress behind an actively loud and (unfortunately) annoying cat.
You can get cat valium that might assist?
 
Yes! I have a client who has Emus—hopped on the hype train here in the US about the health benefits of Emu oil, fell in love with em, and still has them even after the bubble of selling the oil burst. I get the pleasure of caring for them, medically—fascinating creatures! I have lots still to learn about them and their medical care, but thankfully the client is more than happy to come along side me and lend their expertise as I learn!
thanks for the reply, well so far I had no issues with Ostriches other than one having a cold every now and then,
Ostriches are pretty resistent to sicknesses.
The worst I had to do medical wise was reach into the female cloaca and search for broken shards of egg shell.
Because one developed an egg in her ovaries with a pretty thin shell.
(Ostrich egg shells are pretty thick, so thick in fact that theoretically a light human could stand on an egg without it cracking).
But it all came out already with the soft delicate inner skin of the cloaca unharmed, no blood, nothing.
 
So later I read about OSS to avoid hormonal problems, but if the vaginal canal is stitched in the same way, I'm afraid of a dog hurting her badly, considering dog penises are usually longer than us and have a bone on it...
These are excellent reasons so do OSS. Sometimes it can be difficult to find a vet with the expertise, but the benefits are clear, and worth it! The more folks who ask about and for these, the more we as a profession will need to move away from routine full spay and neuter as a one size fits all approach for every animal, leading to better, more individualized medicine, and a healthier population!
With my current female, she is almost 3 years old, and I never seen her on heat, what I should do? I haven't been with her all the time when she was around 12 to 24 months, and my mom said she thinks she was in heat once because she saw blood on the floor, but never looked directly into her to confirm it (since she is long haired). I asked the vet when I get her vaccines, and he responded "I don't know, but we can spay her just in case...". Should I get another vet and ask for some blood tests?
I don’t think an elective surgery that permanently alters physiology should be done “just in case.” There are good reasons to spay, but this isn’t one of them.

How long has it been since your Mom noticed? I would start carefully monitoring, giving yourself about a year from that first date, to track her cycle. You can absolutely do progesterone measurements at the vet, but with many doggos only going into heat once or twice a year you may be frustratingly getting the exact same value each time until you’re closer to estrous.

Ultimately, if your vet is unwilling to work with you, or pushing you a certain way without going to the trouble of explaining reasoning or anything else, switch! I’ve worked with some vets who were pros at gas lighting a client to doing what they wanted, simply because it was the way they had always practiced medicine and they were unwilling to do things differently.
You also talked about external parasites control methods. I think the collar is the most effective one in her case, after testing external pippetes that didn't work, and chewables are way too expensive. My only concern, it's since it releases a lot of powder around her neck, specially when brand knew, if it's toxic both for her, and for me, since I inhale that while cuddling.
Flea collars can be manufactured at many different quality levels, and contain lots of different insecticides. Always check the active ingredients—they have different safety profiles—and get one that had a break way safety feature so your dog doesn’t choke herself.

Chemical wise, the two most common toxic ones that come up in conversation about flea collars are Tetrachlorvinphos and Propoxur.

Tetrachlorvinphos has extremely low toxicity to mammals and birds, but it has the misfortune of being an organophosphate, which makes people liken it to the more toxic ones. It's actually used as a feed through larvacide for a variety of species, including horses (who don't handle most organophosphates well). I wouldn’t expect any problems from collars containing it.

Propoxur is a carbamate insecticide. With the amounts that are in the collars, I also wouldn’t expect problems with normal use of the collars. If ingested, there might be a risk for toxicity (depending on dose). The most common way this happens is a young dog whose collar pops off, and who happily begins to chew it.

And last, about internal parasites, a friend told me that her doctor said to her that she should deparasite herself together with her dogs twice a year, since she slept with them. I think it was ivermectin (for her). Do you recomend that? I mean doing it together, and if it doesn't matter if they are different drugs (which one do you recomend for dogs, since I understand ivermectin is poisonous for some dogs like collies).
Ah, human doctors—trying to encroach on veterinary medicine by recommending getting rid of the dog because a child has pin worms (pin worms are species specific), and basically being some of the most frustrating and impossible clients to deal with of all time.

If you have your dog on good preventatives there absolutely isn’t nearly enough of a risk of getting internal parasites from sleeping with them to justify treating yourself.

At least in the US, great ways to get internal parasites from a dog include walking around barefoot in a dog park full of poop (hookworms), never getting rid of fleas on your dog and then eating a bunch of them (tapeworms) sitting in the sand with minimal clothing on a beach in the Caribbean being bitten by sand flies (Leishmania), or ingesting a developed egg that requires three to four weeks post being deposited in the feces to hatch (roundworms). Children do these things more often, so they represent a higher risk population.

The good thing about canine ivermectin is it has now been reformulated, and should be safe for dogs missing the ACB1 neural receptors in their brains to transport it out, like Collies (In school I learned “White Feet, don’t Treat!) It’s still a risk if you have large animals you medicate (where the ivermectin is apple flavored or something) and your collie licks it up from the ground, so keep an eye on that.
 
thanks for the reply, well so far I had no issues with Ostriches other than one having a cold every now and then,
Ostriches are pretty resistent to sicknesses.
The worst I had to do medical wise was reach into the female cloaca and search for broken shards of egg shell.
Because one developed an egg in her ovaries with a pretty thin shell.
(Ostrich egg shells are pretty thick, so thick in fact that theoretically a light human could stand on an egg without it cracking).
But it all came out already with the soft delicate inner skin of the cloaca unharmed, no blood, nothing.
I’m glad you were able to manage that! I’ve dealt with egg binding in one of the Emus and it was a whole process.
 
Help, doc!
I swallowed a basket ball, and now I look pregnant. what should I do?
Look on the bright side. With that much of your stomach space filled, you should have no trouble at all loosing weight if you want. And now you have a handy shelf to set a mug of tea. ?

As a side note: it’s illegal for us to do anything on humans as DVM’s UNLESS there’s an apocalypse or major humanitarian disaster, then it’s free game. I guarantee encountering me in the zombie plague will net you better suture skills and survivability than human docs—who have to be specialized in tiny niches. I know how to avoid being bit, AND am good at public health and disease transmission. ?‍♂️
 
Something I read a while back from another user said that to make sure females don't get UTIs and to decrease the chances of pyometra from sperm buildup, to make sure the dog goes outside to pee right afterwards. I don't really see the logic as there are two openings in the vulva and you presumably are penetrating and cumming into the vagina and not the urethra so urine shouldn't wash away the sperm. Thoughts?

Alternatively you could just cum outside, but that's a sin that leaves the animal feeling let down
 
Something I read a while back from another user said that to make sure females don't get UTIs and to decrease the chances of pyometra from sperm buildup, to make sure the dog goes outside to pee right afterwards. I don't really see the logic as there are two openings in the vulva and you presumably are penetrating and cumming into the vagina and not the urethra so urine shouldn't wash away the sperm. Thoughts?

Alternatively you could just cum outside, but that's a sin that leaves the animal feeling let down
Whomever told you there was a risk of pyrometra from sperm buildup was incorrect. Pyo occurs due to the normal fluctuation of progesterone and estrogen during a dog’s cycle which thickens the uterine wall and gives it a bunch of folds that bacteria can thrive in. The most common bacteria implicated is E. coli, found in feces and the intestinal tract. (There’s some cool research that seems to be discovering that it’s a particular type of mutated E. coli, but I digress). Unfortunately, there really isn’t a way to decrease the risk of pyo without removing the uterus—there’s some breed and genetic predispositions in there, as well.

Going outside to pee is still a good plan for the UTI standpoint, though: Think about the bacteria within lube, or on your penis, or pushed inside from directly outside the vagina. Urine serves to flush a bunch of em out.
 
Whomever told you there was a risk of pyrometra from sperm buildup was incorrect. Pyo occurs due to the normal fluctuation of progesterone and estrogen during a dog’s cycle which thickens the uterine wall and gives it a bunch of folds that bacteria can thrive in. The most common bacteria implicated is E. coli, found in feces and the intestinal tract. (There’s some cool research that seems to be discovering that it’s a particular type of mutated E. coli, but I digress). Unfortunately, there really isn’t a way to decrease the risk of pyo without removing the uterus—there’s some breed and genetic predispositions in there, as well.

Going outside to pee is still a good plan for the UTI standpoint, though: Think about the bacteria within lube, or on your penis, or pushed inside from directly outside the vagina. Urine serves to flush a bunch of em out.
My field of knowledge here is women.
During sex bacteriae can be pushed into her urethra and some women contracts an UTI.
Urinating after sex will flush them out. Literally like the dogs just mentioned by the vet.
I know of a woman who often had UTI after sex and urinating wasn’t enough, but by taken 1 tablet Selexid (pivmecellinam) after sex the problem was solved.
 
Here's some pyometra questions and thoughts I don't think have been addressed yet that I'd like to get your thoughts on (old posts from other threads by other people):

Is this actually an issue?
My blue great dane caught a case of closed pyo at 7 years old and I absolutely belive that my having sex with her too soon after a heat had a part in it.
When a bitch is in heat she is expelling quite a bit of blood and tissue that is in a better sense... decaying. Normally as they end their heat it tapers off and they can assist the cleaning by licking.

But when a big dick is introduced and pushes some of that dead matter right back up to their cervix. Cum naturally likes to make its way through that little guy, and has the possibility of pulling the bad stuff in with it.

That is just my theory, but I know that in nature, males don't keep breeding them directly after a heat... and we zoos go against that nature by making it a regular thing. I was able to save my girl by noticing the symptoms right away. But it is FAR more expensive than a basic spay. And you pretty much have to accept going in that they will be done with penetrating sex.

A reply to that, see last paragraph+link:
Not sure about that, and here is why. By statistic 25% will get pyo ( closed one rare). This forum has big population, if 25% would have pyo this thread would be flooded.
From a person who has 3 dogs and never pyo issues, it might be our sexual life with dog exercising all internal organs and dog's body mechanisms to lesser the chances of pyo. But its not official, i doubt there will be research on pyo rates in zoo's dogs lol
Technically pyo is 2dary infection, caused by hormones and immunity system failure to deal with infection.

I wonder if immune boosters for dogs would greatly reduce chances of pyo? Technically it should. I also found this article just todat, gotta do more research on immunity boosters and pyo in dogs. https://www.earthclinic.com/mobile/pyometra/vitamin-c-treatment.html#postsframe
 
Here's a question for you! What is the air velocity of an unladen swallow?
African or European? (By the way, there are 86 recognized species of swallows worldwide -- really cool birds). There are also swallows nesting on my porch right now. They were initially covered in bird mites, but I can't just let things sit untreated or cared for, so now they are happy and healthy.
 
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Doctor, help!
Do you have any idea why when I go out to walk my kitty, the dogs run away terrified and panicked?
Here my sweet kitty:
Leopard.jpg
 
Here's some pyometra questions and thoughts I don't think have been addressed yet that I'd like to get your thoughts on (old posts from other threads by other people):

Is this actually an issue?


A reply to that, see last paragraph+link:
Excellent questions -- some misunderstanding there that I can hopefully shed some light on!

The canine estrus cycle is not like that of primates. For female humans (and all our relatives) menstruation involves shedding the uterine lining -- the discharge is blood, cells, and mucous. Canines do not have a menstrual cycle--the secreted substances are still blood, but rather than shedding during the process, the uterus fills with fluid (edema) which is the reason the entire structure swells during heat. The cells of the uterus are the target cells for hormone fluctuations -- they get larger and fill with fluid during estrus, then shrink back down during anestrus. After you repeat this cycle enough times, the uterine lining gets thicker, and can even develop small, abnormal cavitations inside it (called "cystic endometrial hyperplasia" a cyst is a fluid filled bubble of cells) within the tissue.

A thickened uterus with folds and the occasional perfectly encapsulated bubble of cells are the perfect environment for bacteria to set up shop. The most common culprit in pyometra is e coli, a bacterium normally found in the intestine and feces of dogs and pretty much every other animal. They continue to replicate, turning the entire uterus into a gigantic bacterial fortress -- eventually they can make their way to the blood vessels that line the uterus and colonize the entire body, a process called sepsis--which of course is even worse for the dog. With a so called "open" pyo, the cervix still allows some of that pus and fluid to leak out -- relieving the pressure and resulting in you seeing the characteristic discharge common with these. With a "closed" pyo, the cervix remains closed, meaning all that pus and fluid has nowhere to go--eventually the uterus can rupture, spilling all of that out into the abdominal cavity. All the reasons above are why pyometra is considered a medical emergency.

The statistics for occurrence are spot on. Around 23% of dogs will get it. There's some breed predispositions, and if you have it once and treat it, it will most likley occur again (because the uterus as an environment for bacterial growth remains unchanged) which is why we recommend spaying. Sadly, the data is still out on why it occurs, though there is some intriguing research that suggests both a cell receptor change on the uterus and a specific strain of mutated E coli out there that may be cooperating. More research is needed, but with the population of US dog's mostly being spayed as a matter of course it's a struggle, at least for our veterinary scientists.

The reason pyometra occurs "shortly after" heat--it commonly pops up within 3 weeks or so after -- is that the uterus has calmed down, there is less edema, and the bacteria have had time to grow and replicate to a stage that is noticable. The reason pyo occurs in older, 6-8 year old dogs is that's usually the amount of time it takes to have the uterus thicken enough to set up the conditions for it to occur.

The entire canine immune system is not suppressed during estrus -- there are interesting immune relationships going on at the uterine level (less neutrophils, the white blood cells that usually attack bacteria) and some changes in receptor types so that male sperm isn't instantly killed on site, but this is an emerging area of study even for humans -- you can expect veterinary medicine to reliably be about 10-15 years behind the current cutting edge of human research. The dog remains immunocompetant, however.

"Immune boosters" are kind of a misnomer. Think of your immune system as an army -- with outposts scattered throughout the body (lymph nodes) where exchange of important messages and descriptions take place. You've got specialized soldiers (different types of white blood cells) for detecting and killing just about every type of bug known to man -- from comparativley humongous parasitic worms to tiny viruses. The more severe the infection, or amount of enemies they have to deal with, the more the immune system is mobilized.

As cells are used up, the body sends signals to the schools where the soldiers are being taught (the bone marrow) that tells them to make more, or an army of a different composition. The bone marrow can only make cells so fast, and can't really be boosted beyond what a bad infection would normally do--this is why we help out by medically intervening with antibiotics, sort of like when Gandalf shows up in the Lord of the Rings at helms deep with an entire additional army of Ents right as the orcs are about to overrun the place, or the Americans land on the beach in Normandy during WWII.

Vitamin C is a water soluble vitamin -- meaning once your body gets enough of it, the excess is simply excreted in the urine. Supplementing with it beyond the normal requirement is simply purchasing very expensive pee, for you and for your dog, and doesn't have an effect on pyometra.
 
Doctor, help!
Do you have any idea why when I go out to walk my kitty, the dogs run away terrified and panicked?
Here my sweet kitty:
Leopard.jpg
Do you walk your cat, or does it walk you? Most of the time with walking cats on leashes it's really the human following them around as best they can -- perhaps some fifteen foot cat trees would provide some enrichment without panicking the local dog population.

In the US state of Oklahoma (the hat shaped one in the middle), you can own that cat -- just pay $50 USD to the local government, they give you a cirtificate of ownership, and you can move into a neighborhood. There's a whole netflix show about it.
 
I am hoping you could dispel the myth and old wive's tale that when a dog tastes blood they will hunger for more. I have seen them expand upon it by saying only if they bite you. Dogs are not sharks and I don't believe that there's any truth to it nor have I seen any truth to it from personal experience.
 
I have to ask. Is the whole penis cancer thing true? That beast can lead to that?

No it was a beyond trash study riddled with gross errors and total fialure to factor in many things.

The true issue was every one banging the same girl thus spreading std's, it was the HPV virus.

HPV is a group of more than 200 related viruses, some of which are spread through vaginal, anal, or oral sex. Sexually transmitted HPV types fall into two groups: low risk and high risk. High-risk HPVs can cause several types of cancer.

this was totally ignored in the "study" so whether by design or stupidity they concluded it must surely be the action of sex with the animal was the cause, not the whole village banging the same one raw being the cuase!
 
These are excellent reasons so do OSS. Sometimes it can be difficult to find a vet with the expertise, but the benefits are clear, and worth it! The more folks who ask about and for these, the more we as a profession will need to move away from routine full spay and neuter as a one size fits all approach for every animal, leading to better, more individualized medicine, and a healthier population!

I don’t think an elective surgery that permanently alters physiology should be done “just in case.” There are good reasons to spay, but this isn’t one of them.

How long has it been since your Mom noticed? I would start carefully monitoring, giving yourself about a year from that first date, to track her cycle. You can absolutely do progesterone measurements at the vet, but with many doggos only going into heat once or twice a year you may be frustratingly getting the exact same value each time until you’re closer to estrous.

Ultimately, if your vet is unwilling to work with you, or pushing you a certain way without going to the trouble of explaining reasoning or anything else, switch! I’ve worked with some vets who were pros at gas lighting a client to doing what they wanted, simply because it was the way they had always practiced medicine and they were unwilling to do things differently.

Flea collars can be manufactured at many different quality levels, and contain lots of different insecticides. Always check the active ingredients—they have different safety profiles—and get one that had a break way safety feature so your dog doesn’t choke herself.

Chemical wise, the two most common toxic ones that come up in conversation about flea collars are Tetrachlorvinphos and Propoxur.

Tetrachlorvinphos has extremely low toxicity to mammals and birds, but it has the misfortune of being an organophosphate, which makes people liken it to the more toxic ones. It's actually used as a feed through larvacide for a variety of species, including horses (who don't handle most organophosphates well). I wouldn’t expect any problems from collars containing it.

Propoxur is a carbamate insecticide. With the amounts that are in the collars, I also wouldn’t expect problems with normal use of the collars. If ingested, there might be a risk for toxicity (depending on dose). The most common way this happens is a young dog whose collar pops off, and who happily begins to chew it.


Ah, human doctors—trying to encroach on veterinary medicine by recommending getting rid of the dog because a child has pin worms (pin worms are species specific), and basically being some of the most frustrating and impossible clients to deal with of all time.

If you have your dog on good preventatives there absolutely isn’t nearly enough of a risk of getting internal parasites from sleeping with them to justify treating yourself.

At least in the US, great ways to get internal parasites from a dog include walking around barefoot in a dog park full of poop (hookworms), never getting rid of fleas on your dog and then eating a bunch of them (tapeworms) sitting in the sand with minimal clothing on a beach in the Caribbean being bitten by sand flies (Leishmania), or ingesting a developed egg that requires three to four weeks post being deposited in the feces to hatch (roundworms). Children do these things more often, so they represent a higher risk population.

The good thing about canine ivermectin is it has now been reformulated, and should be safe for dogs missing the ACB1 neural receptors in their brains to transport it out, like Collies (In school I learned “White Feet, don’t Treat!) It’s still a risk if you have large animals you medicate (where the ivermectin is apple flavored or something) and your collie licks it up from the ground, so keep an eye on that.
Yes Collies and Iverm, reason I am so anal about handling the herd stuff with one my girls when she was alive (Collie / Lab) I was not about to test the genetic status of her! but I do subcutaneous injection for the sheep, so not so much licking hazard, but even with good needle handling drips get here n there, and average dose to the sheep was 3cc* of the particular bottles I get.

But the dip I can use across the board being Permethrin base, and I have no cats!

*EDIT: I just looked at my dosaging tables, for the Ivermect I use and for the average weight of sheep the dosage is 1.25cc.
 
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Look on the bright side. With that much of your stomach space filled, you should have no trouble at all loosing weight if you want. And now you have a handy shelf to set a mug of tea. ?

As a side note: it’s illegal for us to do anything on humans as DVM’s UNLESS there’s an apocalypse or major humanitarian disaster, then it’s free game. I guarantee encountering me in the zombie plague will net you better suture skills and survivability than human docs—who have to be specialized in tiny niches. I know how to avoid being bit, AND am good at public health and disease transmission. ?‍♂️
Team up I can provide the Ether n Chloroform!

Do they still use Chloral Hydrate in any medications, I know it been mostly superseded by newer meds, In humans it is still used in children as a pre-surgery anxiety tamper, and in adults for same or to treat some sleep issues.

been trying to find medical studies in more detail as to mechanisms of action in ruminants and the half life.
 
Whomever told you there was a risk of pyrometra from sperm buildup was incorrect. Pyo occurs due to the normal fluctuation of progesterone and estrogen during a dog’s cycle which thickens the uterine wall and gives it a bunch of folds that bacteria can thrive in. The most common bacteria implicated is E. coli, found in feces and the intestinal tract. (There’s some cool research that seems to be discovering that it’s a particular type of mutated E. coli, but I digress). Unfortunately, there really isn’t a way to decrease the risk of pyo without removing the uterus—there’s some breed and genetic predispositions in there, as well.

Going outside to pee is still a good plan for the UTI standpoint, though: Think about the bacteria within lube, or on your penis, or pushed inside from directly outside the vagina. Urine serves to flush a bunch of em out.
In humans Hexamine / Hexamine hippurate can be administered as a preventative for chronic UTI's it works by break down in liver forming Formaldehyde in the urine, Would the metabolic break down work the same as in K9's. As some do suffer from easily getting UTI's this would be some thing some could consider if effective.



 
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In humans it is still used in children as a pre-surgery anxiety tamper, and in adults for same or to treat some sleep issues.
I wonder why they would still use it in these instances when as you mention there are more modern alternatives like benzos or even sedating antihistamines like hydroxyzine.
 
I wonder why they would still use it in these instances when as you mention there are more modern alternatives like benzos or even sedating antihistamines like hydroxyzine.
because of its high levels of safety, it is a well understood compound that has few adverse affects and is gentler.

It is classified as a Hypnotic sedative. At lower dosages it is a mild sedative that has a calming affect.
 
because of its high levels of safety, it is a well understood compound that has few adverse affects and is gentler.

It is classified as a Hypnotic sedative. At lower dosages it is a mild sedative that has a calming affect.
Sometimes the tried and true stuff just works. Don't fix it if it isn't broken. I view Ichthammol as being something similar. An old-school ointment that really just works well. It has anti-inflammatory, bactericidal, and fungicidal properties. It is even showing promising results with necrotizing fasciitis where other modern antibiotics fail. Pretty much what "newer" drugs do with needing strong steroids and various chemicals to do in a mixture at a much higher cost.

Thing is with these older treatments, there is no money in it for big corporations to push it or drop R&D funding into them in order to get them modern FDA and other approvals for use in various ailments. Big corporations have everything to gain to fund research to find faults in older effective treatments to further justify spending big money on there "newer and safer" alternatives.
 
Sometimes the tried and true stuff just works. Don't fix it if it isn't broken. I view Ichthammol as being something similar. An old-school ointment that really just works well. It has anti-inflammatory, bactericidal, and fungicidal properties. It is even showing promising results with necrotizing fasciitis where other modern antibiotics fail. Pretty much what "newer" drugs do with needing strong steroids and various chemicals to do in a mixture at a much higher cost.

Thing is with these older treatments, there is no money in it for big corporations to push it or drop R&D funding into them in order to get them modern FDA and other approvals for use in various ailments. Big corporations have everything to gain to fund research to find faults in older effective treatments to further justify spending big money on there "newer and safer" alternatives.
yup, can't beat the classics, especially when it has a very wide safety margin.
 
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