Veterinarian here: ask me anything!

[marikamia]

I was very scared of her first vet visit after our first time... and I was scared of my first gynecological visit too. the first was done about a month ago and the vet explicitly asked me if by any chance we "finally" mated him. In short, she definitely noticed that something in her sexual life had changed! I told her yes and that was it... he's fine and, in fact, better than last year!
The second visit, mine however, I still have to do. I don't think he'll see anything strange in me... but I have some anxiety and I think it's normal. Maybe the gynecologist will notice that my sex life has become much more regular than before. After all, I'm very young. We will see! Sooner or later I'll have to do it: if anything, I'll tell you how it went.

And here's my question... I read somewhere that in the case of a confirmed zoonosis the doctor is obliged to report the case. I also imagine that it depends a lot on the country in which it is diagnosed. In your opinion, what could be the zoonoses that could be reported to the competent authorities?

 

[GAThrawn]

I was very scared of her first vet visit after our first time... and I was scared of my first gynecological visit too. the first was done about a month ago and the vet explicitly asked me if by any chance we "finally" mated him. In short, she definitely noticed that something in her sexual life had changed! I told her yes and that was it... he's fine and, in fact, better than last year!
The second visit, mine however, I still have to do. I don't think he'll see anything strange in me... but I have some anxiety and I think it's normal. Maybe the gynecologist will notice that my sex life has become much more regular than before. After all, I'm very young. We will see! Sooner or later I'll have to do it: if anything, I'll tell you how it went.

And here's my question... I read somewhere that in the case of a confirmed zoonosis the doctor is obliged to report the case. I also imagine that it depends a lot on the country in which it is diagnosed. In your opinion, what could be the zoonoses that could be reported to the competent authorities?

Most, if not all, zoonoses aren't specifically tied to sexual contact so there wouldn't be any suspicion on your part. The most common canine one is leptospirosis, which occurs primarily in free roaming dogs and happens when a dog sniffs, licks, or eats something that has urine from a wild animal. It's a blood disease (not to be confused with bloodborne), and affects their muscles. They will seem lethargic, not as strong, may show pain when walking, and may occasionally show symptoms of a cold or other respiratory afflictions. While the vaccine is optional in most areas, many dogs receive it and your vet should usually ask if you want it administered.

While sexual contact IS a way to transmit zoonoses, it's not the only way. The other big zoonoses is rabies. That's the only one where I know it has to be reported. I am unaware of the need to report others, unless you live outside America.

But that's just my limited knowledge from the short amount of schooling I received. @Deagle113 can clarify whether I'm being stupid or not lol

 

[NoHumpNoFun]

Howdy zooville!

I work as a mixed animal veterinarian, and am willing to answer any and all animal health questions you may have to the best of my ability. Keep in mind that I’m only one person, and my medical opinion is just that—an opinion, however well informed it may be.

Anything you’re curious about?

Edit: feel free to Dm me if needed!

I know how knotting works in canines, but I've heard of cases where Penis captivus has happened on Canines and Equines... Is it even possible with female canines? I doubt a male human can really be stuck to either female animal

 

[JustAPurpleDog]

Howdy zooville!

I work as a mixed animal veterinarian, and am willing to answer any and all animal health questions you may have to the best of my ability. Keep in mind that I’m only one person, and my medical opinion is just that—an opinion, however well informed it may be.

Anything you’re curious about?

Edit: feel free to Dm me if needed!

With dogs, can lyme disease cause inflamation?
Long story short i had a husky that had it and we only found out when we had to take him to the vet for a severe prostate inflamation, they dint tell us the inflamation was caused by it but we got told he was on a lyme "crisis" on the side. and many year later someone that work with horses told me that lyme could cause inflamation for horses and that for dogs it was the same? But i wasnt sure it was true since theyre not a vet

 

[marikamia]

Too many non sexual ways for that to happen, to make report-able, if zoonosis, perhaps just poor hand hygiene, wish them luck in proving other wise

we are talking about reporting an infectious disease, not a sexual crime...

 

[UR20Z]

I read somewhere that in the case of a confirmed zoonosis the doctor is obliged to report the case.

Perhaps, perhaps not - The reality is, it's practically unheard of to catch anything from your animal partner through sex that you can't catch from them by brushing, petting, or even just being in the same room with them. Which makes the idea of "Oh, look! She got <insert disease here> from fucking her dog" *VERY* far down the list of possibilities that get considered.

 

[marikamia]

Perhaps, perhaps not - The reality is, it's practically unheard of to catch anything from your animal partner through sex that you can't catch from them by brushing, petting, or even just being in the same room with them. Which makes the idea of "Oh, look! She got <insert disease here> from fucking her dog" *VERY* far down the list of possibilities that get considered.

Very well... So what are the various possibilities that you can have in the "<insert disease here>" field?

 

[Goattobeloved]

Very well... So what are the various possibilities that you can have in the "<insert disease here>" field?

Has anyone ever suffered from Zoonosis?

I've read there are diseases you can get from sexual acts with non-human animals. Dogs, for example, have made people ill by just licking an open wound. Full on sexual intercourse? Has anybody experienced anything? If so, what was it and how did your doctor respond? Also of interest, measures to...

www.zoovilleforum.net

Cattle... Q Fever, Brucelosis and Clamydia abortus come to mind as anoying ones (First ones is reportable. Not sure you can actually get the last one, but be exposed to it during pregnancy and you'll have terrible news)

Candidiasis also, but it is the same as humans so no way to know and so common no one would blink

Leishmaniosis for instance, is not sexually transmitted, but I am sure if you got diagnosed with it, you'd blush thinking someone would suspect of you and your dog, right?

 

[humananimal]

Has anyone ever suffered from Zoonosis?

I've read there are diseases you can get from sexual acts with non-human animals. Dogs, for example, have made people ill by just licking an open wound. Full on sexual intercourse? Has anybody experienced anything? If so, what was it and how did your doctor respond? Also of interest, measures to...

www.zoovilleforum.net

Cattle... Q Fever, Brucelosis and Clamydia abortus come to mind as anoying ones (First ones is reportable. Not sure you can actually get the last one, but be exposed to it during pregnancy and you'll have terrible news)

Candidiasis also, but it is the same as humans so no way to know and so common no one would blink

Leishmaniosis for instance, is not sexually transmitted, but I am sure if you got diagnosed with it, you'd blush thinking someone would suspect of you and your dog, right?

Q fever can be transmitted to humans from cows during pregnancy and especially by handling the placenta.
So pregnant vets, without antibodies from previous infection, should not handle pregnant cows.

 

[marikamia]

Has anyone ever suffered from Zoonosis?

I've read there are diseases you can get from sexual acts with non-human animals. Dogs, for example, have made people ill by just licking an open wound. Full on sexual intercourse? Has anybody experienced anything? If so, what was it and how did your doctor respond? Also of interest, measures to...

www.zoovilleforum.net

Cattle... Q Fever, Brucelosis and Clamydia abortus come to mind as anoying ones (First ones is reportable. Not sure you can actually get the last one, but be exposed to it during pregnancy and you'll have terrible news)

Candidiasis also, but it is the same as humans so no way to know and so common no one would blink

Leishmaniosis for instance, is not sexually transmitted, but I am sure if you got diagnosed with it, you'd blush thinking someone would suspect of you and your dog, right?

Ok ok... It's a truly worrying picture... I had taken only toxoplasmosi but not from my dog.
There are enough of them to say "ok, I'm not doing this anymore!"...
Adieaux a tout les monde!

 

[Goattobeloved]

Ok ok... It's a truly worrying picture... I had taken only toxoplasmosi but not from my dog.
There are enough of them to say "ok, I'm not doing this anymore!"...
Adieaux a tout les monde!

No. Do not get confused. It is not scary at all.

It is quite good compared with all the nasty things you get from your average human partner. From HIV to COVID

If you really interested in animals sexually it is not an stopper. If you are not that interested, yes, a plausible excuse

 

[marikamia]

No. Do not get confused. It is not scary at all.

It is quite good compared with all the nasty things you get from your average human partner. From HIV to COVID

If you really interested in animals sexually it is not an stopper. If you are not that interested, yes, a plausible excuse

yes, I knew that on average it was less dangerous than sex with men.

 

[Deagle113]

I meant fellatio, but I am unsure about kissing too. But, if they are splendid kissers, then I guess it's fine

Basic oral hygiene for you is a must or oral sex. As far as transmissible things, as long as you aren't severely immunocompromised (in which case a lot of normally benign things become threats), you should be perfectly fine. Just keep in mind that dogs can tolerate eating things that would make us humans pretty ill -- they have specialized enzymes like lysozyme in their saliva, a very low stomach pH, etc, so if they are going out and chewing on deer bones, or various other unsavory things, I would avoid giving them a big kiss afterward xD

 

[Deagle113]

I was very scared of her first vet visit after our first time... and I was scared of my first gynecological visit too. the first was done about a month ago and the vet explicitly asked me if by any chance we "finally" mated him. In short, she definitely noticed that something in her sexual life had changed! I told her yes and that was it... he's fine and, in fact, better than last year!
The second visit, mine however, I still have to do. I don't think he'll see anything strange in me... but I have some anxiety and I think it's normal. Maybe the gynecologist will notice that my sex life has become much more regular than before. After all, I'm very young. We will see! Sooner or later I'll have to do it: if anything, I'll tell you how it went.

And here's my question... I read somewhere that in the case of a confirmed zoonosis the doctor is obliged to report the case. I also imagine that it depends a lot on the country in which it is diagnosed. In your opinion, what could be the zoonoses that could be reported to the competent authorities?

This is the list of voluntary reportable zoonotic diseases of animals in the united states, where I work

Not many of them affect canines, there's a lot more swine, avian, equine and bovine stuff on there. I am not sure about the human side of things, but I would imagine a similiar list would exist. There are very few reportable zoonoses of canines that I can think of off the top of my head other than rabies.

 

[Deagle113]

Perhaps, perhaps not - The reality is, it's practically unheard of to catch anything from your animal partner through sex that you can't catch from them by brushing, petting, or even just being in the same room with them. Which makes the idea of "Oh, look! She got <insert disease here> from fucking her dog" *VERY* far down the list of possibilities that get considered.

Exactly right. @marikamia I wouldn't be concerned at all about the potential link -- not the same dynamic as human sexually transmitted infections, where you catch one and therefore it HAD to come from sexual contact.

 

[Deagle113]

With dogs, can lyme disease cause inflamation?

Lyme disease is caused by Borrelia burgdorferi, a bacteria that transmitted through the bite of a tick and hangs out in their salivary glands and can absolutely cause inflammation.

It affects domestic animals (dogs, horses, and maybe cats, though it's hard to establish a link) and humans. At least 4 known species of ticks can transmit Lyme disease, but the vast majority of cases due to the bite of a very tiny tick commonly called the deer tick, or black-legged tick. The scientific name of the tick involved on the west coast is Ixodes pacificus and Ixodes scapularis in the northeast and Midwest. Ixodes ricinus and Ixodes persulcatus are the primary vectors in Europe and Asia. It is important to note that ticks themselves do not cause Lyme disease; they harbor and transmit the bacteria that cause it. Here's some nice pictures of the common US ones to keep an eye out for.

Ixodes scapularis (northeast) Ixodes pacificus (west coast)

Although the normal life cycle of these guys includes mostly wild mammals like voles, white-footed mice, or deer they will happily feed on people or dogs--ticks are a wildly successful biological group of organisms! Once a tick attaches, it takes 1-2 days for it to transmit the bacteria that cause Lyme disease (this is one of the way preventatives work by keeping this time window too short). We are seeing increased transmission rates of Lyme to humans over time according to the CDC, especially among folks who spend a lot of time outside exposed to ticks.

Lyme can cause a lot of clinical signs, including none at all depending on infection severity. In dogs, the most common signs include fever, lack of appetite, painful or swollen joints, lameness that comes and goes, swollen lymph nodes, and lethargy. If you leave Lyme untreated it can get worse and damage the kidneys, heart and nervous system, but I would not link prostatitis to Lyme--if you're going to get inflammation, you would expect it to be a lot more locations. E coli, not Borellia, is the most common etiology of uncomplicated prostatitis in canines.

 

[Deagle113]

Ok ok... It's a truly worrying picture... I had taken only toxoplasmosi but not from my dog.
There are enough of them to say "ok, I'm not doing this anymore!"...
Adieaux a tout les monde!

To clarify, all of those mentioned diseases (Q fever, etc) do not affect canines. Obviously you should make the best decision for your situation and life, but keep your perspective on risk -- it is easy to get terrified of things you have no knowledge of, but even for many of the worse zoonoses we have treatments and management in place to deal with them.

We humans are constantly doing incredibly risky things and think nothing of it, like getting into a fast metal box every day and hurtling down the road! Driving, consuming alcohol or drugs, unprotected human sex, extreme sports, you name it -- they all carry more risk of serious injury than anything you could think of animal intimacy related, yet we still do them, sometimes daily. Don't let fear keep you from pursuing the things you find important in life, canine or otherwise.

 

[Deagle113]

Q fever can be transmitted to humans from cows during pregnancy and especially by handling the placenta.
So pregnant vets, without antibodies from previous infection, should not handle pregnant cows.

The local docs in the city around my veterinary school (who should have been versed on this!) had no idea how to handle exposure to any of the common zoonoses. We had a student who was exposed to Q fever, as well as an entire two weeks of multiple students suffering from severe cryptosporidium from infected equine foals, and the veterinarians had to go with her to the human doc to provide advice and management. Score one for us!

 

[Deagle113]

I know how knotting works in canines, but I've heard of cases where Penis captivus has happened on Canines and Equines... Is it even possible with female canines? I doubt a male human can really be stuck to either female animal

No documented cases of course, so a theoretical answer is that I doubt it. The muscle arrangement and where they run is different vs human females. I didn't even know what penis captivus was and had to look it up! It seems to be vanishingly rare in humans as well.

 

[Deagle113]

I don't know. Not seasonal I think, but I only got him in the summer. Maybe food related? He has quite a sensitive tummy.

I would be careful jumping right to food.

Despite what all the specialty new dog food companies would like you to believe, it's a lot less common in canines than folks try to extrapolate from humans. So your current issue is increased yeasty ears and you want to know if there's something "non-chemical" to use because he doesn't like stuff in his ears? Could it be the formulation of what you've tried so far -- maybe it feels a certain way that he hates, and switching it up will work better.

Another thing to keep in mind -- normal canine ears shouldn't require more than occasional cleaning. If you constantly clean them out, you demolish the microbiome and lock yourself into a vicious cycle of overgrowth of one type of organism that then requires you to clean them more.

 

[Deagle113]

Seat belts had to be installed on the toilets eh!

Oh there was a beaten path to the doors.

And several of the "Oh I don't need exam gloves, I'm a big bad cowboy equine vet and handle everything with just my hands" folks were converted to better biosecurity...

 

[erphy]

@Deagle113 Dealt with what I believe was THC toxicity with one of my dogs recently, I have my reasons for believing that based on where I let her run in the woods daily and the fact she has her nose in the ground everywhere we go. All the research I've went through indicated there's not much to do other than supportive care. I didn't take her to the ER as she had ate, drank plenty of water, and didn't really have any signs that she was physically in distress like pain, fever, etc.

If this happens again in the future, any suggestions around DIY care other than being there for them and of course getting them to the ER if it serious enough?

 

[Otter1]

Hey Dr. Deagle, I appreciate your expertise!
When I have sex with any female animal I love to perform oral. I’m not big on fecal matter, so with female farm critters I have a practice of bringing a bucket of warm sudsy water (1drop of Dawn liquid) and a cloth, so I can gently wash their ass, vulva, and hind quarters. For those who like it “au natural” no judgment here, and more power to ya. Just not my thing personally. My question is: Is the 1 drop of liquid Dawn ok, or should I just forgo on the soap and use plain warm water? Or any other suggestion? I LOVE the scent of a mare, so I definitely don’t want to wash that away. LOL.

 

[humananimal]

The local docs in the city around my veterinary school (who should have been versed on this!) had no idea how to handle exposure to any of the common zoonoses. We had a student who was exposed to Q fever, as well as an entire two weeks of multiple students suffering from severe cryptosporidium from infected equine foals, and the veterinarians had to go with her to the human doc to provide advice and management. Score one for us!

In my country general Practitioners has for many years had guidelines from the National Board of Health for Q-fever. Not only cattle farmers, but especially female vets.
Cryptosporidium (which you can get from cattle and infected humans too) is a worldwide cause of long term diarrhoea, especially among children. Good hygiene is important to avoid infecting other humans.

 

[Deagle113]

@Deagle113 Dealt with what I believe was THC toxicity with one of my dogs recently

If this happens again in the future, any suggestions around DIY care other than being there for them and of course getting them to the ER if it serious enough?

Where we run into problems with THC toxicity dogs is not necessarily the THC itself, for which, as you correctly mentioned, there isn't a treatment other than supportive care and monitoring, but in what it is blended with for products like brownies, synthetic cannabinoids, chocolates, or xylitol containing gummies for example. All of these cause additional issues and some of them are very serious.

For the THC toxicity itself, a common clinical sign is loss of bladder control, which is basically unheard of with other toxicities and can be a good clue in. Lethargy, delayed reaction times and sensitivity to sound or touch, and a lot of salivation taken all together are a shoe in. Familiarizing yourself with this is the biggest DIY care you can provide. I don't even make these dogs vomit if they come in, because, due to being lethargic, I have concerns about aspiration of their stomach contents.

For the future and anyone reading this who partakes in the substance itself, here's a PSA from us veterinarians: please please PLEASE be honest and, even better, bring the product itself in with you! We have zero obligation to report the toxicity, or you, to any kind of law enforcement, and it helps your companion get care as fast as possible to give them the best chance. Dog's don't create the urine metabolites that humans do, so we lack any way of definitively testing them other than clinical history and signs.

 

[Deagle113]

In my country general Practitioners has for many years had guidelines from the National Board of Health for Q-fever. Not only cattle farmers, but especially female vets.
Cryptosporidium (which you can get from cattle and infected humans too) is a worldwide cause og long term diarrhoea, especially among children. Good hygiene is important to avoid infecting other humans.

Good to know! I knew these resources existed for human docs too I just didn't know in what form.

 

[erphy]

Where we run into problems with THC toxicity dogs is not necessarily the THC itself, for which, as you correctly mentioned, there isn't a treatment other than supportive care and monitoring, but in what it is blended with for products like brownies, synthetic cannabinoids, chocolates, or xylitol containing gummies for example. All of these cause additional issues and some of them are very serious.

For the THC toxicity itself, a common clinical sign is loss of bladder control, which is basically unheard of with other toxicities and can be a good clue in. Lethargy, delayed reaction times and sensitivity to sound or touch, and a lot of salivation taken all together are a shoe in. Familiarizing yourself with this is the biggest DIY care you can provide. I don't even make these dogs vomit if they come in, because, due to being lethargic, I have concerns about aspiration of their stomach contents.

For the future and anyone reading this who partakes in the substance itself, here's a PSA from us veterinarians: please please PLEASE be honest and, even better, bring the product itself in with you! We have zero obligation to report the toxicity, or you, to any kind of law enforcement, and it helps your companion get care as fast as possible to give them the best chance. Dog's don't create the urine metabolites that humans do, so we lack any way of definitively testing them other than clinical history and signs.

Thank you for the information!

 

[Strayward]

THC itself, for which, as you correctly mentioned, there isn't a treatment other than supportive care

Fwiw, for the "ate the whole stash and in a coma" ones, ILE seems to work wonders on some (but not all) of them.

Pretty cool that you take the time to do this for the forum doc

 

[UR20Z]

Fwiw, for the "ate the whole stash and in a coma" ones, ILE seems to work wonders on some (but not all) of them.

Pretty cool that you take the time to do this for the forum doc

"ILE"? Oh, You mean Insane Law Enforcement? No, wait - Illegally Locked Exit? Nah, can't be... Iced Lattes Everywhere? How about I Love Everybody? Idiot Lost Everything? Nah, none of those seem to fit...

Please expand your acronyms at least once - Not everybody lives inside your head and has any clue what you're talking about...

 

[humananimal]

"ILE"? Oh, You mean Insane Law Enforcement? No, wait - Illegally Locked Exit? Nah, can't be... Iced Lattes Everywhere? How about I Love Everybody? Idiot Lost Everything? Nah, none of those seem to fit...

Please expand your acronyms at least once - Not everybody lives inside your head and has any clue what you're talking about...

‘Acronyme finder’ shows more than 20 meanings of ILE !
None of them seems to fit.