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The abusive porn cleanup project

I have found abusive content in the past:

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Oldman said:
If anyone can spare 250k. That would buy me for a year and I can dedicate that time to the forum :). But in all seriousness I would love to help out more, unfortunately bills need to be paid, horses, doggos and kiddos need their needs taken care of, the usual stuff. This property is not quite self sufficient..... Yet.
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if you give me 255K i will spot you the 250 lol. horses, doggos and kiddos -- plural! no thanks i only have one of one of those and that is enough. Need a farm hand? and by that I mean someone to browse here all day while you work. Updating the homestead thread later, but going to look at a property today (getting a feel for what is out there, not ready to drain my bank account just yet).
 
It's a bit like how you can get people in BDSM. It may not be as bad as people fear.
Though just like with people in BDSM some situations can be mishandled as well. How can you tell?
Best way to find out is to talk to people. Ask questions. Get details. There's no "easy" way with things like this.

What people fear may be a "little bit of nervousness". That's perfectly normal. It's only when it goes to "Scared shitless" that it's going to become more concerning (I linked a thread about a scared dog for example. That kind of fear. Poor thing).

It all takes a trained eye. Since I haven't seen any of the vids I'm not going to speculate. What I am saying however is to look for certain signs. Do people raise their voices? That's going to be more harmful. But if someone "calmly employs force" without the shouting it can go better.

It's a bit like how a cop might do it. Exept a number of cops are stupid enough to raise their voice. The good ones will remain calm and won't shout. Picture a drill sergent that camly warns their recruits. No raised voice. Yet firm and stern nonetheless. It can be hard for people to tell how this happens with "physical" force. Try to look for these kind of details in whatever vids you might see.

You might want to watch some cop vids too. See how they handle (and mishandle) situations. That could help. Is force being employed with a "nudge" or a "shove". etc.
 
I have seen enough porn here to be reasonably sure what is animal abuse and what is not. If something is not certain, we discuss that in the reports. The current system works pretty well.
 
pes said:
I have seen enough porn here to be reasonably sure what is animal abuse and what is not. If something is not certain, we discuss that in the reports. The current system works pretty well.
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Let's cover a specific situation. Hypothetically. You mentioned muzzles in your first post. So let's use a muzzle situation.

Let's say a dog is muzzled. But they could be the angry type. This means no muzzle could result in harm for person or/and dog.
Do you consider that to be abusive?
 
If you can not have sex with an animal safely, then do not have sex with that animal. It is very simple.

The same principle is applied to porn with for example horses with bound legs. It is done for the protection of the female actress. Great, but you can have sex with a horse without ropes, it has been demonstrated.
Making porn does not justify immobilizing an animal.
 
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pes said:
If you can not have sex with an animal safely, then do not have sex with that animal. It is very simple.
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If it was that simple I would not have asked you the question. I want to see an open mind from you.

You didn't give me a "yes" or a "no" or "it depends". You skipped ahead to trying to explain and justify yourself (a common oversight). I'm calling this a snap judgement. I'm saying I don't see an open mind when you go "It's that simple". You might not like what I say. But I'm saying it straight.

It depends.

It always depends. You are not considering this properly. You see what you fear and you make snap judgements. You are not being realistic about this. You are not considering other owners that want to do things with their dogs, which they WILL do. Despite your protests. Nothing you or I say here will change this. If it is going to happen then how can the risk be minimized?

Still think it's simple? Think this through Pes.

Now me, personally I'd let myself be a target and would never put a muzzle on a dog. But that's me. Others aren't going to be willing to risk being bitten. It's better to "allow anger". That's when people and animals alike will defuse. When you don't "flail back" or something. This is me however. That's me. What I have to consider here is others who will do the things you fear. Wherever you like it or not. I can't stop it. You can't stop it. But what you CAN do is is go "if it's going to happen then let's be careful about it." Address context more. You. Gave. Me. None.

I'm being honest Pes. If you want to stop the conversation we can. But I'm concerned about owners and dogs as well. And that means "consider the possability". The problem isn't "danger". It's "Not knowing the situation and mishandling it".
 
Mesond said:
Nothing you or I say here will change this.
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Yes, I am fully aware that banning someone from here does not erase that person from existence.
But animal abuse is not going to be tolerated on here. That is the extent of what we can do. And that is what we do.

Mesond said:
Still think it's simple?
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Yes it is. When we decide something here is animal abuse, we delete it. And we warn or ban the user. That is the end of what we can do here.

Mesond said:
It's "Not knowing the situation and mishandling it".
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We are pretty clear on what is animal abuse and how it is handled. The knowledge is there and available to anyone to read and learn.
That does not mean we will allow animal abuse to exist on the forum as an example of what not to do.
 
You can do better. You are being close minded.

Would it help put your mind at ease if I walk into a police station and get them to agree with me?

I wouldn't mention the site. Or you. I'd just talk to them about how to handle situations better. Something you seem to stubonly refuse to consider.

It would be my risk to take. I am fine with that. When it comes right down to it people just want to know danger isn't being ignored. And if you're just trying to "push it all away" then that is ignoring the danger.
 
Mesond said:
Would it help put your mind at ease if I walk into a police station and get them to agree with me?
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That is irrelevant on the forum. We have our rules which we enforce the way we do.
Mesond said:
Or you. I'd just talk to them about how to handle situations better.
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What exactly do you want to change in the system we currently use? And please be concise and clear.
The outcome obviously has to be that animal abuse will not be allowed to exist on the forum.
That includes restraining or immobilizing an animal or having sex with an animal that does not want to have sex with you so you have to protect yourself from the animal. That is in other words called rape.
 
It is not irrelevent.

An open mind considers the possability. A closed mind does not. The more you pretend things are simple the more you will harm people. And animals too. This is me warning you of the danger. I am the danger. If I say danger it MEANS danger.
What exactly do you want to change in the system we currently use? And please be concise and clear.
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Let's say you delete every vid. ALL of them. Do you think that will stop people? The answer is no of course.

The abuse will exist. When you don't want to see it. That's when the BIGGEST danger happens Pes. The danger is turning a blind eye to it.

What if what you see as "abuse" isn't as abusive as you fear? But you don't consider that do you?
 
Mesond said:
What if what you see as "abuse" isn't as abusive as you fear? But you don't consider that do you?
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Yes we do. Unclear reports are discussed between several mods.
What is considered abuse is described in the rules. If you post that, it is your misfortune.
Mesond said:
The abuse will exist. When you don't want to see it. That's when the BIGGEST danger happens Pes. The danger is turning a blind eye to it.
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We do not aim to fix the entire world. As said before our reach ends with where the forum ends.
But we will not have animal abuse here just as an example of what not to do.
 
This is treading into dangerous waters. Abuse is abuse and will be treated as such. It sounds to me like you are trying to rationalize abuse. If a dog does not want to participate and he or she is forced to, that is abuse and will be treated as abuse and the person posting will be educated unless it's painfully obvious then it's simply just a ban.

There is no "well the situation” bullshit. Animals are pretty damn clear when they don't want to participate.

Muzzle? No. That just means it shouldn't be happening in the first place. The dog is dangerous.
 
Again, an open mind considers the possability. A closed mind does not.

Until you show me an open mind then I can't help you. If all you care about is the site itself and nothing more then I can't help you.
 
dartel said:
Oh no, the self proclaimed psychologist who just rambled incoherent nonsense is gone. Whatever will we do.
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Finally. I got the impression he wouldn't last long after some of the remarks he made in the Retirement and Passing the Torch thread. Anyway, in a warped way it was reassuring to see that some people can regurgitate an even larger word salad than I would be able to. :LOL:

"Good riddance to bad rubbish" as they say. As for what to do now? I reckon it will only be a matter of time before the next self-proclaimed psychologist enters the scene.
 
AppleDash said:
Finally. I got the impression he wouldn't last long after some of the remarks he made in the Retirement and Passing the Torch thread. Anyway, in a warped way it was reassuring to see that some people can regurgitate an even larger word salad than I would be able to. :LOL:

"Good riddance to bad rubbish" as they say. As for what to do now? I reckon it will only be a matter of time before the next self-proclaimed psychologist enters the scene.
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*struts into conversation wearing a bland gray blazer and khakis with a pipe in my mouth*

Hmm.....sounds like you may be projecting a bit. Why don't you lay on the chaise longue and tell me what's really bothering you?

lol
 
wiborad said:
A Colombian friend from Medellin who is starting, Any advice or help is welcome
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1. Dog on his back - known uncomfortable position.
2. Limp penis sucking.
3. Dog held in place when attempting to get up.
4. Not a single erection in the entire video set. Considering how easy it is to get a dog erect, you and your friends are truly pathetic.
The fakeness of her moaning above a totally disinterested dog is not even funny.

Help will be to tell her to stop making animal abuse. You as well.
4 points, next is a ban.
 
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