The abusive porn cleanup project
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MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I would like a solution where you remain the moderator and nothing changes, while the users will be satisfied that the "law works" on ZV.
The content has been deleted, that's fine. However, this is not enough for the "people". There needs to be a second level. Giving penalty points will probably not be satisfactory enough, and we don't want to take away the moderator rank.
Remains 1 option: a temporary ban. All that remains is to determine the number of days. 3? 7?
Cookiecaretaker was the one who picked this thing fucking up, what punishment do you think is appropriate? Or how many days Cookie?
Cookiecaretaker
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
a statement that he truely says that what he done was wrong and that he will treat horses better in the future with all the respect those wonderfull animals deserve - humans can change if they want and its better to educate then to punish
if he dont see a problem with pushing feces into a vagina, no matter how much, then its a wrong rank to be a mod - mods should always be a good example towards the ,,normal,, users
we can all learn and do better in the future =)
if he dont see a problem with pushing feces into a vagina, no matter how much, then its a wrong rank to be a mod - mods should always be a good example towards the ,,normal,, users
we can all learn and do better in the future =)
Magicwolves
Lurker
I'm completely new here, but I'm glad to see these measures are being taken. This site seems like it's really trying to maintain integrity and that's seriously appreciated
Magicwolves
Lurker
To clarify, I meant about the porn cleanup project as a whole! I realize I posted just generally into this thread without reading the convo. My bad!
Cookiecaretaker
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
so u say u dont see that u done a wrong thing there and shouldnt do better in future? if yes then a ban is not enough ...
MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I said the ban as an option if the people revolt.
Cookie is okay with you apologizing to the others and then everything is okay.
Don't make it difficult, it's already starting to be on track.
Cookiecaretaker
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
and no apologizing towards me, i dont need that
do it in general towards the respect for the animals and user who follow the rules
do it in general towards the respect for the animals and user who follow the rules
nekdoneco123
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
are we reading through the same thread?
so far you have
"not enough shit to be scat enough" (?)
"uhm, don't really care"
"do whatever, i seem to no think i'm in the wrong in any way"
and the most hilarious
"i think keeping literal shit out of this forum is snowflakery" (there is a strict no scat rule is there not?)
responses from mods
what is this shit show?
and why do you seem to be defending him?
Cookiecaretaker
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
If you declare this kind of mild buttwater "scat", then everything should be deleted that's other than previously carefully detailed human-animal interaction. Not even natural dirt allowed then, lol.
From what I understand, I believe mares are pretty hardy when it comes to fecal matter and their vagina. With their anus being so close to their vulva it would make sense that they'd evolve added protection in this area. That said, pushing said contents "butt water" into the vagina is asking for trouble and could potentially cause an infection to happen. I can see why users are obviously upset about it, as I'd remove such content from the forum moderator or not. But I'd probably leave it at a removal, as I'm not a mare expert, I'm a female canine expert. Or I'd consult one of the mare experts here on whether or not further action would be needed/justified. When it comes to canines, yeah... doing that would almost 100% guarantee that she'd get an infection as they've evolved to squat while emptying their bowels to avoid contact with the vulva, unlike equines.
What I can't seem to wrap my head around is the response given by Welshpony over the matter, which almost seems childish. It's not a good look. I mean we even have a vet on here @Deagle113 stating that it's not a good idea at all. People are concerned over the well-being of a non-human animal, something this forum preaches is absolutely key for any healthy zoosexual relationship. And when a moderator is caught posting something questionable, of course it's going to upset people. The moderators are the judges, but who keeps the moderators accountable? Who watches the watchmen... the people do. It doesn't comes from a place of malice, it comes from a place of concern.
What I can't seem to wrap my head around is the response given by Welshpony over the matter, which almost seems childish. It's not a good look. I mean we even have a vet on here @Deagle113 stating that it's not a good idea at all. People are concerned over the well-being of a non-human animal, something this forum preaches is absolutely key for any healthy zoosexual relationship. And when a moderator is caught posting something questionable, of course it's going to upset people. The moderators are the judges, but who keeps the moderators accountable? Who watches the watchmen... the people do. It doesn't comes from a place of malice, it comes from a place of concern.
When it comes to animals, humans included, pushing fecal matter into the vagina is a one ticket way towards giving them an infection, as fecal matter contains e.coli and other dangerous bacteria. Poop is well... nasty. But like I mentioned, equines are more hardy when it comes to that, but it's still not a good idea in the slightest. @Mare Lover 1975 even said that he'd clean the area up himself, and not leave it like that.
I doubt this is some type of conspiracy for "taking down the great Welshpony once and for all" I do believe it comes from a place of concern with the animal that was featured in your video. Nothing more.
So instead of addressing the concerns, you'd rather bury your head in the sand. That's not a good look.
But if that's the way you wish to handle a little heat, a bit of scrutiny, then you're not doing yourself any favors. That's all I have to say. I'm not afraid to admit that I don't know all, and that I can be wrong about something. It's called having humility. Everyone makes mistakes, but a real man owns up to them.
So a day later here is what I see.
People are upset. Something should be done.
Several mods agree that something should be done.
Welshpony's response to this is not satisfactory.
A warning point for a mod is pointless, since mods can remove those.
A 7 day ban for anyone is basically nothing, less punishment the less online you are in general in fact.
So how about taking away the mod status?
@FloofyNewfie you are the only admin who responded to this, so you opinion?
@Oldman you suggested it in the first place?
People are upset. Something should be done.
Several mods agree that something should be done.
Welshpony's response to this is not satisfactory.
A warning point for a mod is pointless, since mods can remove those.
A 7 day ban for anyone is basically nothing, less punishment the less online you are in general in fact.
So how about taking away the mod status?
@FloofyNewfie you are the only admin who responded to this, so you opinion?
@Oldman you suggested it in the first place?
Linking to that evidence would be useful.
It has been done.
A fitting resolution.
Welp, Welshpony asked to be de-modded and then asked for his posts to all be removed. These two actions have been fulfilled.
Cookiecaretaker
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
getting himself deleted and demodded before admitting that he done something wrong shows much how he handles animals - a good solution then
Welshpony
Tourist
You just have no idea. These are exactly the people who are most upset
Goattobeloved
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Surrealistically amazing ??
nekdoneco123
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
yes, because dirt is in any way similar to fecal matter and fecal matter magically stops being fecal matter if watered down a little making it not a scat anymore.
you are not a twelve year old, are you? why are you responding like one? strawmen and hyperboles...
i had a hunch there are only like two or three competent mods and this case was still eye opening....
No, I did not recommend removal of mod status (I don't think so anyways) but there is where the pickle was. Seems like people where not quite understanding me, what can we do that isn't largely symbolic and has no meaning. It's a shame that it came to that, but necessary given the facts and the responses from Welsh.
Honestly, I'm utterly befuddled by the way he handled this. Multiple people have stated that he's actively putting the animal he's supposed to be caring for in potential danger by pushing fecal matter into her vagina, as it's an absolutely risky behavior that could potentially lead to pretty serious health ramifications. As mentioned, fecal material contains bacteria like E.coli and other dangerous infection agents. Just because, from my understanding, mares are a bit hardier in that regard, I did not state that it wasn't dangerous behavior, as it very much is. Yet, his response was to ignore the majority of those that were legitimately concerned about the animal's welfare, and proclaim that nothing was wrong with his dangerous behavior, despite the overwhelming evidence against his actions. Now, where have we seen that type of response from?
He has been on the forum long enough to be able to predict that content like that will attract attention. So I do not understand why he posted it at all. On top of the other issues mentioned above.
Well, problem solved, I like that we demonstrated that we can hold ourselves to the same standard as others.
Well, problem solved, I like that we demonstrated that we can hold ourselves to the same standard as others.
MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I protect he because anyone can be wrong and make mistakes. People make mistakes, do stupid things, there are worse days when they say things they don't really mean. Deleting the content and admitting the mistake and reacting appropriately would have been sufficient.
But. In comparison, Welsh deliberately dug his own grave rather than admit he was wrong and it won't happen again. It would be learning from a mistake. Here, however, all I saw was he offended. After that, me too I can only say that the de-mod is fine.
I'm not happy this is how it ended.
Since you twisted my words so carefully...
With that analogy please stop walking on sidewalks because there's a chance that a plane might fall on you. (referring to the chance of infection by that diluted buttwater)
You started referring to this whole business as "scat". Scat is "a paraphilia involving sexual pleasure through feces, or rather to its excretion". So in nutshell playing with poop on purpose aka poopfetish. So don't call this particular "not clean enough" intercourse as "scat".
But also... I bet no one would give two fucks about this whole story if it was posted by someone else. Someone reports it for inappropriate hygiene, staff deletes it because its true, no question. Boom, case closed. But someone (not you) had to create a huge butt to the story by yelling aBUsE thru multiple topics because they really needed to show importance and that they are on higher morals because the op is a mod. This kind of important smartassing made me feel good back when I was like... 14? And you call ME twelve years old?
And no I'm not defending WP because I know he's a sketchy guy anyway. And the way he replied to the case is not right either. So I can say good riddance as well.
I'm simply perplexed about this huge butthurt about a single video that was questionable.
Welshpony
Tourist
I have commented on this. And explains to you how it came about. Nobody listened to me anyway. So I saw the only way out was to leave the forum as a moderator.
Maybe it wasn't okay with the video,
but I know for a fact that some moderators do a lot of bad things outside of the forum. And that's just hypocrisy for me.
Maybe it wasn't okay with the video,
but I know for a fact that some moderators do a lot of bad things outside of the forum. And that's just hypocrisy for me.
MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
This shouting in big red letters was really unnecessary on Cookie's part and it can rightly be called excessive. And indeed, unhygienic and scat are not the same thing.
Some people have switched to snowflake it's true. Some people have already spat on me for bestiality, because I dare to say the words that sex is also important for a zoophile. Because it's true. That won't make anyone a bestialist.
Although I don't really care about other people's opinions, strangers, many countries away from me and they from some of my comments can tell that they think I'm a beastialist lol, this doesn't qualify me, only qualify their stupidity.
And they can't even press the ignore button, even though it was designed for that. No problem, I press it.
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Cookiecaretaker
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
then u should adress that if they do harm to animals - dont look away when animals get mistreated