Knutshack
Citizen of Zooville
There is no such thing as privacy anymore
Telegram Now Shares Users’ IP and Phone Number on Legal Requests
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sanrand
Guest
No one has mentioned Threema? One payment (not monthly), option of no phone number registration, encrypted by default, no data stored on any servers (lose your phone, conversations and contacts are gone) and completely anonymous.
That's why you never use their chrome browser, (may be not even firefox) harden all settings in your browser, and turn off search history in your Google account. Google will have anytbing thats history enabled in your account.
Another thing is just use another browser/site/incognito to search.
That is a good app. There is away you can save your contacts by exporting by some way. Don't remember how I did it. But had to find an old contact on an old phone during that time and get them moved over.
Almost with any app, it's your opsec you have to watch out for. Any company can say they protect privacy. But you also have to do some of that aswell.
ZV also has our own zoo chat. Which you have to input the server to enter. Just downloading element and hitting go just brings you into their own server. Which could decide to close your room if someone reports it... similar to telegram sort of. Zv doesn't require emails, but it's up to you if you want a password reset.
allyfitz
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
When I used TOX a while back, I kept an encrypted LUKS container on the same USB stick as Tails in another partition, that I could then mount and access. It keeps any manually 'saved' info in the encrypted container... but the rest of the OS fresh at every boot.
It worked, but it was obtuse.
Signal is completely open source and the protocol has been audited by independent cryptographers: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdfAnd before anyone says "Use Signal"... Look at who's on their foundation.
Signal Foundation
Protecting free expression and enabling secure global communication through open source privacy technology.signalfoundation.org
3 of the 5 are Ex Feds (Amba, Katherine, Meredith) ... and 2 of the 5 are WEF members (Jay and Katherine).
Those people 100% are not concerned with your privacy and giving people communication outside gov oversight.
Additionally, they provide transparency reports which show that nothing useful is obtained by authorities when they force Signal to hand over the data they have: https://signal.org/bigbrother/
I think it's very unlikely that you will face any issues using Signal for zoo-related communication. It's not ideal that they require a phone number to sign up, but the encryption protecting the messages is solid.
allyfitz
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
You cant audit what they do in production. You can have strong crypto... but implement it in a way that's weak.
It'd like having a secure lock on your house and having a locksmith come prove that its secure... but if you leave the windows open your secure door doesn't matter.
It's easy to put out nice press releases and make claims... but unless people can inspect the code running on their actual systems... which we cant... its nothing more than a "trust me bro" promise.
It's designed such that you don't have to place that much trust in the server. If you verify that the "safety number" (public key hash) is the same for you as it is for the other party through a separate channel (such as a different chat app or in-person) as described here, and you compiled the client from source code yourself, you can be completely confident that only you and the other party can decrypt the messages. Of course, only some people do the first thing, and almost nobody does the second thing, so it's difficult to obtain 100% certainty. I will say however that I think it's very unlikely that the official builds of the Signal app from signal.org are backdoored (though I'm not so sure about the Google Play or iOS version).
It's generally, to put it mildly, bad practice to enter into zoo groups with dozens of members. They're often full of paedophiles who are also in cp groups and those, unlike groups concerning bestiality, are actively hunted down by police and it only takes one of them to be caught for the entire network to fall.
If you really wish to meet other zoos, it's best to do it on a one on one basis in order to ensure that the other party is not a complete fuck up exhibitionist who has sex with dogs in the street or posts his face to snapchat. Seriously, the only zoophiles who've been caught in my country are either also paedophiles or mentally ill folks who engaged in sex in extremely public spaces (broad daylight in a city street, outside schools, etc), in their backyard that's visible to the neighbour or otherwise psychopaths who nearly killed their pets and were ''outed'' by animal welfare activists.
Granted, police here are stretched thin and nothing like their american counterparts, but from the news i see in the US, it's not that different. Cops aren't actively hunting down zoophiles and the ones who do fall are because of them being extremely public or involved with paedophile networks, wether it was knowingly or unknowingly.
If you really wish to meet other zoos, it's best to do it on a one on one basis in order to ensure that the other party is not a complete fuck up exhibitionist who has sex with dogs in the street or posts his face to snapchat. Seriously, the only zoophiles who've been caught in my country are either also paedophiles or mentally ill folks who engaged in sex in extremely public spaces (broad daylight in a city street, outside schools, etc), in their backyard that's visible to the neighbour or otherwise psychopaths who nearly killed their pets and were ''outed'' by animal welfare activists.
Granted, police here are stretched thin and nothing like their american counterparts, but from the news i see in the US, it's not that different. Cops aren't actively hunting down zoophiles and the ones who do fall are because of them being extremely public or involved with paedophile networks, wether it was knowingly or unknowingly.
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Reconscope
Prized Citizen of ZV
profiteering snitching more like. lol... corporations do anything to get ahead.
BareBunny
Tourist
When joining and seeing that everyone in the forum was using telegram, when telegram requires a phone number-- it really rubbed me the wrong way.
Theunis323
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I reinstalled it, but think it's best to not use Telegram, even with a VPN, Telegram seems to be highly risky platform. I just love those animated emojies 
Elwood Jenkins
Tourist
Good to know
EponasDevotee
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Today's 'reality' is there's really no way to be on-line and totally anonymous. One can only take reasonable precautions to be less visible and keep a low profile. Corporations, law enforcement and governments will do everything in their power to profit from and track citizens because of humankind's 'dark nature'...
kibathewolf
Tourist
Downloading now thank you for this!!!
BareBunny
Tourist
You're much too lenient with your health.
I like the idea somebody talked about using pigeons LOL
Teleguard also absolutely does not care about your privacy.TeleGuard is a private owned swiss company, funded with donations.. For registration no pone number, email or name required. Fully encrypted chat, many channels..
Read this: https://www.zoovilleforum.net/threads/using-telegram.85871/page-2#post-2749540
wishboner
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
When a U.S. company receives a subpoena, it is generally required to comply and provide the requested records unless there are valid objections such as privilege or undue burden. Failure to respond appropriately can result in legal penalties.
I'm not sure how it works outside of the US, I'm guessing it's basically the same way in other countries.
I'm not sure how it works outside of the US, I'm guessing it's basically the same way in other countries.
K9GuyinTX
Citizen of Zooville
That is my understanding as well.
In an ideal scenario, the entity receiving the subpoena would have nothing useful to give to the serving entity. Some of the encrypted platforms claim that they comply, but all they have is a bunch of encrypted data with no keys to decrypt it.
Reconscope
Prized Citizen of ZV
well the USA did leave the human rights council.... so i do not see how they would comply.
MypupandI69
Citizen of Zooville
Wire is a good app to use don't need a phone number and it's encrypted.
erphy
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I like Wire and also Simplex: https://simplex.chat/ . Simplex doesn't even use any kind of UserID, pretty neat how it works and is worth a look.
Kristy
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
NO ONE should EVER use Telegram! Not even with VPN or TOR!
Blacksoul
Citizen of Zooville
If the feds are after you, it doesn't matter which chat app you use, they'll already be on your phone. The data that is disclosed by the respective chat operator also depends on the country in which you live or whose nationality you have. Since different laws apply, the EU, for example, is much stricter than Brazil. I doubt that one chat app is more secure than another. Many people trust the false anonymity of the internet, which is a big mistake in first place.