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Google is also known for turning over information to the police. They have an entire department for it. Enabling location history on your android device, web app history, any of the many many different settings for retaining your data, it is all available for police on request. They also will track you through websites that you never asked to be tracked on through ads, analytics, shared libraries.

Turning over data to Google is giving it to the US goverment.
There is no such thing as privacy anymore
 
No one has mentioned Threema? One payment (not monthly), option of no phone number registration, encrypted by default, no data stored on any servers (lose your phone, conversations and contacts are gone) and completely anonymous.
 
Google is also known for turning over information to the police. They have an entire department for it. Enabling location history on your android device, web app history, any of the many many different settings for retaining your data, it is all available for police on request. They also will track you through websites that you never asked to be tracked on through ads, analytics, shared libraries.

Turning over data to Google is giving it to the US goverment.
That's why you never use their chrome browser, (may be not even firefox) harden all settings in your browser, and turn off search history in your Google account. Google will have anytbing thats history enabled in your account.

Another thing is just use another browser/site/incognito to search.

No one has mentioned Threema? One payment (not monthly), option of no phone number registration, encrypted by default, no data stored on any servers (lose your phone, conversations and contacts are gone) and completely anonymous.
That is a good app. There is away you can save your contacts by exporting by some way. Don't remember how I did it. But had to find an old contact on an old phone during that time and get them moved over.


Almost with any app, it's your opsec you have to watch out for. Any company can say they protect privacy. But you also have to do some of that aswell.

ZV also has our own zoo chat. Which you have to input the server to enter. Just downloading element and hitting go just brings you into their own server. Which could decide to close your room if someone reports it... similar to telegram sort of. Zv doesn't require emails, but it's up to you if you want a password reset.
 
From my understanding this would not survive on an amnesic system like Tails?
Since it looks like it uses a local encrypted database and if you reboot a RAM only OS, that database would be gone and you would loose your contacts?
When I used TOX a while back, I kept an encrypted LUKS container on the same USB stick as Tails in another partition, that I could then mount and access. It keeps any manually 'saved' info in the encrypted container... but the rest of the OS fresh at every boot.
It worked, but it was obtuse.
 
And before anyone says "Use Signal"... Look at who's on their foundation.


3 of the 5 are Ex Feds (Amba, Katherine, Meredith) ... and 2 of the 5 are WEF members (Jay and Katherine).

Those people 100% are not concerned with your privacy and giving people communication outside gov oversight.
Signal is completely open source and the protocol has been audited by independent cryptographers: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf

Additionally, they provide transparency reports which show that nothing useful is obtained by authorities when they force Signal to hand over the data they have: https://signal.org/bigbrother/

I think it's very unlikely that you will face any issues using Signal for zoo-related communication. It's not ideal that they require a phone number to sign up, but the encryption protecting the messages is solid.
 
Additionally, they provide transparency reports which show that nothing useful is obtained by authorities when they force Signal to hand over the data they have: https://signal.org/bigbrother/
You cant audit what they do in production. You can have strong crypto... but implement it in a way that's weak.
It'd like having a secure lock on your house and having a locksmith come prove that its secure... but if you leave the windows open your secure door doesn't matter.

It's easy to put out nice press releases and make claims... but unless people can inspect the code running on their actual systems... which we cant... its nothing more than a "trust me bro" promise.
 
You cant audit what they do in production. You can have strong crypto... but implement it in a way that's weak.
It'd like having a secure lock on your house and having a locksmith come prove that its secure... but if you leave the windows open your secure door doesn't matter.

It's easy to put out nice press releases and make claims... but unless people can inspect the code running on their actual systems... which we cant... its nothing more than a "trust me bro" promise.
It's designed such that you don't have to place that much trust in the server. If you verify that the "safety number" (public key hash) is the same for you as it is for the other party through a separate channel (such as a different chat app or in-person) as described here, and you compiled the client from source code yourself, you can be completely confident that only you and the other party can decrypt the messages. Of course, only some people do the first thing, and almost nobody does the second thing, so it's difficult to obtain 100% certainty. I will say however that I think it's very unlikely that the official builds of the Signal app from signal.org are backdoored (though I'm not so sure about the Google Play or iOS version).
 
It's generally, to put it mildly, bad practice to enter into zoo groups with dozens of members. They're often full of paedophiles who are also in cp groups and those, unlike groups concerning bestiality, are actively hunted down by police and it only takes one of them to be caught for the entire network to fall.

If you really wish to meet other zoos, it's best to do it on a one on one basis in order to ensure that the other party is not a complete fuck up exhibitionist who has sex with dogs in the street or posts his face to snapchat. Seriously, the only zoophiles who've been caught in my country are either also paedophiles or mentally ill folks who engaged in sex in extremely public spaces (broad daylight in a city street, outside schools, etc), in their backyard that's visible to the neighbour or otherwise psychopaths who nearly killed their pets and were ''outed'' by animal welfare activists.

Granted, police here are stretched thin and nothing like their american counterparts, but from the news i see in the US, it's not that different. Cops aren't actively hunting down zoophiles and the ones who do fall are because of them being extremely public or involved with paedophile networks, wether it was knowingly or unknowingly.
 
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Google is also known for turning over information to the police. They have an entire department for it. Enabling location history on your android device, web app history, any of the many many different settings for retaining your data, it is all available for police on request. They also will track you through websites that you never asked to be tracked on through ads, analytics, shared libraries.

Turning over data to Google is giving it to the US goverment.
profiteering snitching more like. lol... corporations do anything to get ahead.
 
This. I've been testing and using simplex. So far it's winning on all fronts. Nothing is required and lots of safety built in. Look it up. I told everyone about it, but was completely ignored. Oh well.
When joining and seeing that everyone in the forum was using telegram, when telegram requires a phone number-- it really rubbed me the wrong way.
 
Today's 'reality' is there's really no way to be on-line and totally anonymous. One can only take reasonable precautions to be less visible and keep a low profile. Corporations, law enforcement and governments will do everything in their power to profit from and track citizens because of humankind's 'dark nature'...
 
Telegram is unfortunately going down. Their change in TOS is alarming. So I'm actively looking for options. The one that is winning is the one that does not require email, phone number, or anything else.
Downloading now thank you for this!!!
 
I dont believe the problem cwntered around communication will leave until we create our own platform or means of communicating.
 
TeleGuard is a private owned swiss company, funded with donations.. For registration no pone number, email or name required. Fully encrypted chat, many channels.. ;)
 
When a U.S. company receives a subpoena, it is generally required to comply and provide the requested records unless there are valid objections such as privilege or undue burden. Failure to respond appropriately can result in legal penalties.

I'm not sure how it works outside of the US, I'm guessing it's basically the same way in other countries.
 
When a U.S. company receives a subpoena, it is generally required to comply and provide the requested records unless there are valid objections such as privilege or undue burden. Failure to respond appropriately can result in legal penalties.

I'm not sure how it works outside of the US, I'm guessing it's basically the same way in other countries.
That is my understanding as well.

In an ideal scenario, the entity receiving the subpoena would have nothing useful to give to the serving entity. Some of the encrypted platforms claim that they comply, but all they have is a bunch of encrypted data with no keys to decrypt it.
 
I refuse to use Telegram and any other social media platforms. I am Seriously contemplating deleting my account with Zooville as everything is compromised now days. Nothing is safe and private anymore and with AI gaining momentum its only a matter of time before encryption and VPN doesnt come into play or protect you anymore. Question is do we jump off the boat before security is completely compromised or do we wait until its to late and wear the consequences of our delayed actions???? Regardless of what I do or where I go I value my privacy so now I have some serious decisions to make. If I suddenly disappear from this or any other site then it means that I have placed my security and safety first and not running the gauntlet any more.
 
Please use a VPN before connecting to Telegram. Change your linked phone number. If you value your privacy pay for a VPN using Monero — I suggest Mullvad for $5/month for 5 devices.

As of today, Telegram is updating its privacy policy.

"Telegram now shares users’ IP and phone number on legal requests"


Telegram will now share users' phone numbers and IP addresses with law enforcement if they are found to be violating the platform's rules following a valid legal request.

According to a newly updated privacy policy announced by CEO Pavel Durov on Monday, Telegram will comply with such requests only after receiving a valid court order confirming that the user is a suspect in a criminal case that breaches the platform's Terms of Service.

Previously, Telegram's policy limited sensitive user information sharing to cases involving terror suspects.

"If Telegram receives a valid order from the relevant judicial authorities that confirms you're a suspect in a case involving criminal activities that violate the Telegram Terms of Service, we will perform a legal analysis of the request and may disclose your IP address and phone number to the relevant authorities," Durov said today.

"If any data is shared, we will include such occurrences in a quarterly transparency report published at: https://t.me/transparency."

However, Telegram's transparency submissions bot is not yet functional. A message stating, "We are updating this bot with current data. Please come back within the next few days," implies that Telegram is still working on bringing it online.


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Durov also revealed that Telegram had improved its search feature, which is known for widespread abuse to sell and promote illegal goods. He said a dedicated team has been working over the last few weeks to remove problematic content from the platform's search results.

"These measures should discourage criminals. Telegram Search is meant for finding friends and discovering news, not for promoting illegal goods," Durov added today.

"We won't let bad actors jeopardize the integrity of our platform for almost a billion users."

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The move comes after Durov, the Russian-born founder and CEO of Telegram, was arrested in France in connection with an investigation into Telegram's use for fraud, drug trafficking, and illegal content distribution.



Source: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...-users-ip-and-phone-number-on-legal-requests/
NO ONE should EVER use Telegram! Not even with VPN or TOR!
 
I posted many times as well in few topics about this "fhookness". Telegram is not safe! Never was and never will be safe. But still are people who defending TG, they are twats 🤭
 
Guess I’m a twat! I have yet to see any evidence that it’s worse than any other chat app, and a lot that says it’s better. Perfect? Not remotely.
 
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