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Telegram Now Shares Users’ IP and Phone Number on Legal Requests

some people like Veronica Silesto... used telegram to communicate with fans and people who bought her videos... People weren't just using it to chat... they were using it to exchange photos/videos which depending on where they live... may be very illegal.
Thats another story because money for animal sex is illegal. There are reasons why commercial animal porn got stomped. And they were good.Also if people pay for (animal) porn,there is nothing to safe them anyways.Just leave them behind.
 
Unnecessary paranoia. Noone cares about your chats about sex with animals...
You have no idea how much intel like that with concrete evidence sells for on the dark web. If you're an average Joe, you might be right. If you work for a big corporation that foreign nations scope out (for example)...even if you are a small cog, you better believe someone cares.

@OP If you are concerned about opsec and privacy, you should not be using telegram, period. Also using a trusted VPN should be the first of many concerns, but they have your phone number lmao, what good is "anonymous" traffic at that point?
 
Anyone that is extremely knowledgeable in security and shit like that, check it out and give your opinion. Simplex.
This probably took longer that I'd like to admit. TL;DR at the bottom.

Bit of a vulnerability back in 2022 with forward secrecy due to an issue with the application of a key derivation function. Looks like it got patched pretty quickly and would have still required the compromise of at least one private key to be exploited. There were a couple more vulnerabilities identified, too. But the forward secrecy one was the main problem.

I have some minor concerns about a lack of automated message queue rotation as over a long enough time, a fixed message queue could lead to de-anonymization of the end users in that given chat pair. The devs are aware of the problem and are planning to implement a fix. For now, message queues can be rotated manually in each chat as a mitigation.

Not using UnifiedPush which is a good thing, re: TeleGuard push token de-anonymization. That does make it a battery hog, though.

Group scalability is currently a major hurdle. This is a work in progress but honestly, I don't really know what their plan is for making groups scalable, decentralized, and anonymous without having a ton of network overhead.

While they did have an independent security audit specific to the cryptographic library they are using, that was pretty limited in scope and somewhat short in duration. It was also completed back in 2022 and as far as I can tell, there hasn't been another one since. Additionally, while they were voluntarily audited, it wasn't against any kind of industry standard security framework or attestation as far as I can tell so there isn't really a ton of value coming from that audit. It was also found that 5 of the 8 domains tested against were considered "Strong" or "Satisfactory" but there are no details provided about those last three domains. Also, no detais were provided about what the actual domains were.

They are currently headquartered in the UK which passed legislation last year requiring any company providing end-to-end encrypted messaging to have a way to identify inappropriate materials being shared using accredited technology as defined by the government. As of now, no such technology exists mostly because the law failed to define how such a technology would be accredited. So, it's not a problem yet, but it could be. The people behind SimpleX say they have contingency plans for if/when that happens so but have not yet provided info on what that plan is. If their entire methodology is truly anonymous, this isn't really an issue.

Lastly, I'm curious what their monetization model is going to be. Free usually means "collect your personal data and sell it to third-parties" or "we're also running crypto-mining on your device when you aren't using it" but those options wouldn't exactly work in this case. Right now, they are running on investment funding and donations but that's unsustainable in my opinion. They'll eventually need to figure that out without risking user anonymity.

All that being said, it's still better than Telegram, Kik, TeleGuard, and probably just about every other end-to-end encrypted messaging platform out there at the moment.

TL;DR: Seems fine. Your mileage may vary.
 
Interesting topic. As ZV is probably the preeminent platform for this subject, I’m kinda surprised that it exists without some interference, in some form, from some entity with nothing better to do.
 
Interesting topic. As ZV is probably the preeminent platform for this subject, I’m kinda surprised that it exists without some interference, in some form, from some entity with nothing better to do.
ZV has been hacked before. I didn't investigate any further but there was a user data dump of usernames, passwords, email addresses, and ip addresses of 71k users. I'm not sure the age or accuracy of those dumps but they are sold on Twitter. Only found them because I was searching zooville on Twitter to find out why it was down.
 
Interesting topic. As ZV is probably the preeminent platform for this subject, I’m kinda surprised that it exists without some interference, in some form, from some entity with nothing better to do.
Dont assume that this site is without some interference that's just low key and no one here has realized yet.
I'd bet there are LEOs that have accounts here. Even if only to keep an account active in case they one day need an account with some history for an investigation. I also wouldnt be surprised if some of the accounts that come here and post pedo shit arent Feds trying to see if they could set up a sting.
 
ZV has been hacked before. I didn't investigate any further but there was a user data dump of usernames, passwords, email addresses, and ip addresses of 71k users. I'm not sure the age or accuracy of those dumps but they are sold on Twitter. Only found them because I was searching zooville on Twitter to find out why it was down.
It's pretty easy to mitigate this kind of stuff by using a VPN, a unique username that isn't associated with any of your IRL IDs, an email address that isn't tied to you in any meaningful way, and performing regular password resets. Bonus points if you take extra steps to scrub metadata off of any personally created images or vids before you post them. Sure, ZV probably scrubs metadata at upload but then you're leaving that in the hands of someone else, better to do it yourself. Double bonus points if you're using a burner device to access the site.
 
This. I've been testing and using simplex. So far it's winning on all fronts. Nothing is required and lots of safety built in. Look it up. I told everyone about it, but was completely ignored. Oh well.
thanks for this information. i´ll try it too
 
Unnecessary paranoia. Noone cares about your chats about sex with animals...
They do. Especially if one of the idiots you happen to have at some point talked to turns out to be an extra moron and a pedo which you are not going to know in advance obviously.
These pieces of shit are not only making us look bad by stupid false association but also threatening legit zoos just by being in zoo chats.
 
They do. Especially if one of the idiots you happen to have at some point talked to turns out to be an extra moron and a pedo which you are not going to know in advance obviously.
These pieces of shit are not only making us look bad by stupid false association but also threatening legit zoos just by being in zoo chats.
This is a huge concern, the pedos are trying to latch onto any non-heteronormative sexuality circles including the alphabets. I can surmise that since zoo holds a big taboo along with legality issues, they seem to think "we" would all get along just fine.
 
ZV has been hacked before. I didn't investigate any further but there was a user data dump of usernames, passwords, email addresses, and ip addresses of 71k users. I'm not sure the age or accuracy of those dumps but they are sold on Twitter. Only found them because I was searching zooville on Twitter to find out why it was down.
Well, there went my political career 😆
 
Do you have any other app recommendations?
It's less about picking any one app as the "right" choice and more about having defense in depth.

In no particular order:
Pick the most secure app that meets your needs while realizing that no system is 100% effective 100% of the time (I would use SimpleX myself, for example).

Use a unique username that isn't associated with your daily life in any way. JohnATL74, as a random example, probably tracks back to a male named John, associated with Atlanta in some way, and the 74 is probably a year. Not a lot, but with enough other cookie crumbs, it could be enough.

Use a secure VPN, ideally one with additional obfuscation at the point of egress and no record keeping.

Use a burner device and make sure no other accounts that could act as identifiers are used on that device; the device should only be used with your pseudonym/username.

Disable push notifications and any other device services or apps that you do not need.

Run security and app updates frequently to patch vulnerabilities.

Be sure the device you're using is encrypted; full disk or file-level encryption.

Be sure the device locks after a short time of inactivity.

Require a PIN or password on the lock screen (someone could trick or force you into giving up bio-metrics but a PIN or password is only ever in your head).

Reset your passwords regularly.

If there are manual things that have to be done to ensure continued security, like cycling message queues, then set reminders to do those things.

Use an email service that does not require you to provide and kind of identifiers (or that you can fill with junk data) and only use it with your pseudonym.

Listen for any concerning news about any apps you are using to determine if it's time to burn everything. Yes, the company probably has your info (email address, username, etc.) but if none of it can be traced back to you, and the device is quite literally burned, crushed, or the encryption key is wiped out, there will be very little evidence left.

Scrub the metadata off of any personally created content before sharing.

Wear a mask, cover up identifiers like tattoos, scars, etc. in your content, and don't have the local news or radio stations playing in the background. Don't switch between an eye mask and a face mask, that will make creating a composite image of your full face easy. Pick one, the other, or both and then stick with it in all of your content.

Avoid sharing any kind of location data until you have some way of fully trusting the person on the other end of the conversation.

If you decide to meet, do it in public, preferably outside, and make your "identifier" something that you can take off and pocket easily (e.g. I'll have a green handkerchief in my left shirt pocket). Don't put it on until you have scoped the place for suspicious activity. You're not looking for the specific person you're meeting at this point, just anything that might indicate LEO or anti activity. This lets both parties check the place out before revealing themselves. If it seems safe, raise your flag. If anything feels off, walk away. Not 100% effective since it's subjective and relies on human observation skill but it's something.

This went a bit past device and app security, but end-to-end encryption only protects you if you also consider the real world risks to yourself.
 
I've been testing and using simplex. So far it's winning on all fronts. Nothing is required and lots of safety built in. Look it up. I told everyone about it, but was completely ignored. Oh well.
From my understanding this would not survive on an amnesic system like Tails?
Since it looks like it uses a local encrypted database and if you reboot a RAM only OS, that database would be gone and you would loose your contacts?
 
People go down with social engineering and leaks - you can't patch that. We are social creatures, that's why we are on this forum in the first place.
The only way to be safe is not to tell that to anyone, specially not on the internet. Most people that I know that went down, were involved with pedo stuff - there the authorities persecute much more strictly.
Also just take for example Kiwi Farms - look at what a bunch of very motivated lunatics with zero access to official options can do!
Or those invetsigating journalist that manage to uncover things that police can only dream on.
So yeah.. let's move again platform.... and then the new platform will get enough users to be relevant.. then the authorities will push on them too and then those will change their policy and then the circle will repeat... being afraid of our own shaddow isn't exactly ideal.
Also any app, even those that don't require a phone/email and such, will eventually know your IP and other identifiable info.... I mean you can get idntify over the TOR netweork - but it costs them a lot... so how can you even dream that a VPN will hide you??? - "because they said so in their marketing" xD Don't forget that Silk road was operated by the US secret services for a while before they took it down.
VPNs are for watching region restricted content or to get a plane ticket cheaper and such, not for hiding illegal stuff.
Also if you are afiraid to give them your phone number - get a prepaid phone number and use turn the phone on only outside your living area.
If you want to live in the illusion of safety and privacy.... well... privacy doesn't exist online.. it probably never existed. You should accept it and act accordingly - don't be too foolish and don't reveal too much identifyable informations - always think critical - when something is too good to be true, it probably isn't.
 
Bottom line.....there ARE no safe apps. For ANYTHING illegal.

Using an app to chat with fantasy football friends? Who gives a fuck.

Using one to chat about illegal shit of any kind? Asking to get busted somewhere down the line.

Bottom line, no entity, corporate or private, values YOUR privacy more than their own wellbeing. PERIOD. If you think otherwise, you're a fool.

And for myself, I dont waste time either talking with you using said apps, or wasting my time convincing you of whatever else, good or bad.

Everyone can choose to do whatever they feel happy doing. I could care less either way, but, I draw a hard line on outside chat apps. I'm not so desperate for communion that I need to put myself at risk for the joy of chatting about illegal things with anyone, friend or stranger.

Simple as that.
 
From my understanding this would not survive on an amnesic system like Tails?
Since it looks like it uses a local encrypted database and if you reboot a RAM only OS, that database would be gone and you would loose your contacts?
Who is using tails on a mobile device?
 
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I am talking about the desktop client.
I think it's supposed to work in unison. Oh well, I don't use desktops for any of this shit. But that is a valid point unless the desktop is a simple slave and requires the mobile. It's quite easy to tie them together anyways.
 
Wont do shit they will still have the record of your old number. Even if they purge from the current database... do you think they dont have backups? This is why you NEVER give out any details. Because once you hand it to someone else you have ZERO control over how it gets handled. And once you let PII slip... its out there forever.



MONERO IS NOT AS SECURE AS YOU THINK!! https://archive.ph/wKfvF

Anyone who was using a social media app tied to their phone number to do anything illegal... is an idiot.

I mean come on people... SERIOUSLY?

Are people so deluded and desperate to jerk off that they've convinced themself that someone else is going to protect them?
I've always questioned and doubted paying for a VPN. By paying your VPN you're disclosing your billing details and even still, the VPN app/site itself will keep data of who you really are
 
Please use a VPN before connecting to Telegram. Change your linked phone number. If you value your privacy pay for a VPN using Monero — I suggest Mullvad for $5/month for 5 devices.

As of today, Telegram is updating its privacy policy.

"Telegram now shares users’ IP and phone number on legal requests"


Telegram will now share users' phone numbers and IP addresses with law enforcement if they are found to be violating the platform's rules following a valid legal request.

According to a newly updated privacy policy announced by CEO Pavel Durov on Monday, Telegram will comply with such requests only after receiving a valid court order confirming that the user is a suspect in a criminal case that breaches the platform's Terms of Service.

Previously, Telegram's policy limited sensitive user information sharing to cases involving terror suspects.

"If Telegram receives a valid order from the relevant judicial authorities that confirms you're a suspect in a case involving criminal activities that violate the Telegram Terms of Service, we will perform a legal analysis of the request and may disclose your IP address and phone number to the relevant authorities," Durov said today.

"If any data is shared, we will include such occurrences in a quarterly transparency report published at: https://t.me/transparency."

However, Telegram's transparency submissions bot is not yet functional. A message stating, "We are updating this bot with current data. Please come back within the next few days," implies that Telegram is still working on bringing it online.


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Durov also revealed that Telegram had improved its search feature, which is known for widespread abuse to sell and promote illegal goods. He said a dedicated team has been working over the last few weeks to remove problematic content from the platform's search results.

"These measures should discourage criminals. Telegram Search is meant for finding friends and discovering news, not for promoting illegal goods," Durov added today.

"We won't let bad actors jeopardize the integrity of our platform for almost a billion users."

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The move comes after Durov, the Russian-born founder and CEO of Telegram, was arrested in France in connection with an investigation into Telegram's use for fraud, drug trafficking, and illegal content distribution.



Source: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...-users-ip-and-phone-number-on-legal-requests/
I'm.umable to change my number because it's the only one I have, what should I do (aside stop using telegram?)
 
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