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Suggestion: doing sexual stuff with stray animals should be not allowed here

Ruffus66 said:
As long as it is Consensual and willing on both participants, I can't see why, this should be Frowned upon here ?
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Exactly that.
I am not frowning about sex with males. I am frowning at the thought females can't be known to consent.

Need to go around some bitches in heat... or mules ?, then come back then say again they are not consensual.

At the same time, malecdigs *can* be female raped as they have a bone, and you can see that in some old commercial porn. Dildoghing...with flat dog penises.

So, yes, it isnot gender related and it is just that both are consensual and willing
 
Ruffus66 said:
I feel there are different ways to see this, and it is more to do with the Consensual sex thing !!
If a Male human, takes in a stray female dog to have sex with it, that is Wrong, because he is making advances where they aren't wanted.
There is no way to know if the female dog is consenting to his advances, or just being Submissive to a Master type figure !!
For him to lead the way and go on with intercourse, I would call that Abuse of that Bitch !!

But !!

If a Woman invites in a Stray Male dog into her home, or private space, and befriends him, then offers herself to him, She is being Consensual, and if he shows interest in her, enjoys the taste and scent of her pussy, and also moves on to try Humping her, Then he too is showing his Consent, and that he wants to have sex with her !!
How is that Abuse ?

Even if she does send him out afterwards, He will be happy for his experiences, would he not ?

There is definitely a difference between a Man taking in a Stray Bitch with intention of Penetrating her !!
and a Woman taking in a Stray Dog, and offering herself to him !!
She is not forcing him to do anything, just tempting him and Consenting to him having sex with her, Which he will no doubt enjoy doing !!
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Dogs do not think like a western cultured human does and females can have as much sexual desire as males. Every dog is an individual, with varying urges in across their life.
Blanket statements on such a nuanced subject aren't helpful.
 
Cookiecaretaker said:
i see more and more stray-fucking topics comming up so:

doing stuff with stray animals should be not allowed here - get them adopt them or at least search them a good home thats the way to go (and help prevent that they multiply)


use them sexual and dump then back to the streets is wrong


(wild animals i dont care but stray animals are not wild and dont belong into the nature - they need propper care and safety)
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Anyone in the lifestyle should be safety conscious. First is not knowing if the animal has a disease, parasites, or even rabies. People in the life should know the pet, that it is safe, gentle, friendly, vaxxed, de-wormed and de-parasites, etc. Plus, from the pet's perspective, that the person is friendly, safe, etc.

And as you mentioned assuring the animal has a proper home, taken care of, and not being mistreated is very important. Fucking a stray then dumping it somewhere is terrible. Whether a person is in the life or not, dumping an animal is terrible. At least try to find the animal a good home. Maybe even help out by buying some food and maybe even paying for or helping pay for veterinary check-up.
 
really sensitive topics and some really great perspectives...i greatly appreciate those who had this thought of being considerate to dogs in these circumstances and also not overlooking the situations of the girls involved. my first few times were with a stray dog, my spouse helped me into this, we promptly adopted the stray and gave him shelter, we took good care of him, he was already old when we picked him up, passed away in a few months, i still cherish the memories I had with him, I am separated from my spouse for nearly a year now but I have good memories, i respect her for all love she poured into me ... wishing all girls who are considering the strays all the best but be careful, I would say be selfish about yourself, your safety and well being and then the next top priority will be the health and well being of the dog, try for a long relationship with the dog, that way things will be better. One night stand is extremely unlilkely especially if the stray has never thought about girls as a sexual partner, it may happen in a few weeks though if you make the right moves and the dog is into you.... later....
 
Cookiecaretaker said:
Vejo cada vez mais tópicos estranhos surgindo, então:

fazer coisas com animais vadios não deveria ser permitido aqui - faça com que eles os adotem ou pelo menos encontre um bom lar para eles, esse é o caminho a seguir (e ajude a evitar que eles se multipliquem)


usá-los sexualmente e jogá-los fora e depois voltar para as ruas é errado


(não me importo com animais selvagens, mas animais vadios não são selvagens e não pertencem à natureza - eles precisam de cuidados e segurança adequados)
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EU totally agree ;)
 
Wow, this basically turned into the same arguments you see in anti/pro zoo "debates." about halfway through.

"It's right/wrong because of morals"
"It's right/wrong because of consent"

That being said, I'll address it in the same manner. The only fair way to approach this, is with the same standards/criteria we use for sex in all other situations. There are 3 but, I'll skip age and consent because that's not what this thread is about. That leaves...

Being Able to Make an Ethical Distinction on the Basis of Harm.

If it's not harming them I can't say it needs to be banned.

Also, what if it's just a random hookup in an alley or something?

Most importantly though, (at least relative to this topic anyway.) I agree with what was mentioned about this being impossible to identify correctly and therefore impossible to punish accurately.

You can't tell from a video if a dog is a stray or not. People can lie and say their pet is a stray or vice versa.
 
Cookiecaretaker said:
i see more and more stray-fucking topics comming up so:

doing stuff with stray animals should be not allowed here - get them adopt them or at least search them a good home thats the way to go (and help prevent that they multiply)


use them sexual and dump then back to the streets is wrong


(wild animals i dont care but stray animals are not wild and dont belong into the nature - they need propper care and safety)
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Same with animals that aren’t yours without permission ie petsitting your friends or families animals or as a pet sitter job service like rover
 
This is a thread I haven't really thought about. How often does stray fucking happen? Much less, posted on this forum?

I imagine it does.
 
Goattobeloved said:
? I'll answer before this hits the DF...

Not saying you do not have a point but.
1 - Like baiting, even of the animal is ok with it... Would you *really* want images of that in your porn stash?
2 - Doing it... Are you really sure you'd risk about health and temperament of unknown animals that usually happen to feel unsecure around people?


On the other side.
Even if that is banned here, same as on fencehopping. How is that supposed to be enforced unless it is *very* obvious or the poster seriously admits it?

I mean, I may call my own dog an stray or my horse "my neighbor stall" just to avoid linking myself to the activities if someone recognizes the animal.
Or, viceversa, I may just call "friends dogs used with permission" to my dog walker business customer dogs until someone can prove otherwise.

Still quite good for those not reading the rules, though ?
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I hate to ruin it for you, but several if the people who produce porn are some of the worst human beings on the planet. i know for a fact that of you have male on female dog porn, and gave been collecting for any time, you have porn made by sadists that kill dogs for pleasure in their spare time. (I dunno about other species stuff) Yes, it's that prevalent and some of the best stuff was made by the worst people. This concludes todays episode of Lonewolf Ruins Everything.
 
Ruffus66 said:
One thing we can be sure of,
If a Woman allows a stray male dog into her home or garden etc, we can be 100% sure, that she is Consenting !!
If that male dog, Willingly shows interest, in her pussy's Scent and Taste, and he willingly gets aroused and starts to hump.
I can not see, how this is cruel ?
Like all Males, intact male dogs, are driven, to get sexual mating success, Naturally with his own Species, but if he gets the offer from a woman, and wants to follow that through, he is showing his Happy Consent !!

The Dog will leave her household or where ever they may be, as a Happy Chappie, Wagging his tail all the way, and go about His usual life on the streets !!
He may even come back for more of the same, on another day !!

As long as she doesn't physically handle him, and force intercourse by using his cock as a Dildo,
(Which I call Dildogging) and I am 100% against that !!
I don't like to seen that on the Video's which circulate the Net.



As long as it is Consensual and willing on both participants, I can't see why, this should be Frowned upon here ?
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Its cruel because " Stray" implies no need for committment. If you teach a dog to seek sex from humans, and are not intending to be that dogs outlet for it, what the HELL do you think is going to happen to that dog if he or she approaches a non-zoo human and makes overtures? Suppose its an underager, or someone sees the dog make its approach to a human in an obvious way( canines are not known for subtlety, chum), and gets the wrong idea?

That is a grand way for someone's life to get ruined and a dog to get killed.


Chummy, you are WAY off the mark here. Theres no justification for fucking a stray and then turning it loose again.
 
Lonewolf said:
I hate to ruin it for you, but several if the people who produce porn are some of the worst human beings on the planet. i know for a fact that of you have male on female dog porn, and gave been collecting for any time, you have porn made by sadists that kill dogs for pleasure in their spare time. (I dunno about other species stuff) Yes, it's that prevalent and some of the best stuff was made by the worst people. This concludes todays episode of Lonewolf Ruins Everything.
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No, you are not ruining it. 😎
Porn is... just porn. Acting and theater.
Different issue is if you wanted to talk or be friends with someone.

Never mind who produces it. Either the video is good and can be enjoyed, or it looks wrong and is trashed.
Just make sure you (generic you) do not feed a producer cause it may later be known to be abusers...paid by you.

ZV or other sites, *of course* it makes sense to remove all videos, good or bad, once it is know someone does / has done wrong, if only just not to help make him famous.
 
If you're a zoo and you have an issue with someone having consensual sex with a stray, you're fucking weird.
 
Business... Premium for real image porn access, not in arts, and other sections...

And I'm not a censoring nun, but websites have to live off something.
 
HyperWoof said:
If you're a zoo and you have an issue with someone having consensual sex with a stray, you're fucking weird.
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I guess their point was more to get the priorities straight and try to get the animal off the streets first before getting into anything sexual and then letting them exist whereever they've been found. Makes sense, as this is the difference between genuinely caring about an animals well-being (as many zoos claim that zoos should be all about that) and only being sexually interested in animals (which is a reality that applies to most people in zoo spaces). So asking to rehoming them first before bedding them seems like a noble effort, which ultimately would quite probably not happen though.

Mommieslilhelper said:
These days everything is abuse, might as well just stop playing around with animals.
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That's what most non-zoos would prefer as well. In case of genuine abusers I'm totally on board with that. But not every interaction is abuse, sadly this can rarely correctly be determined by outsiders and especially not by watching porn, because in a video you get to see what people want you to see, but you may not get to see what's going on behind the curtains. So being cautious would make sense. A rule of thumb is: if something in the interaction seems to be off, the whole thing might not be as wholesome and fine as one might be led to believe. But as I said, it's really hard to determine with media, unless the watcher is really knowledgeable enough for interpreting an animals body language properly and is also actually willing and in the mood to do so and making this the determining factor if they like the video or not.

But let's not kid ourselves here... People watch porn when they're horny. Horniness overrides rationality and sometimes also empathy and compassion. And some zoos are lousy judges of animal behavior, as well as anatomy. Case in point: One person on this forum once wanted to punish their dog for being horny all the time. Their reasoning: When the dog sits down the penis sticks out of the sheath a bit. People told him, that this is normal in certain breeds and sitting positions and told him, that there is a bone in the penis which causes it to be stiff all the time, which explains why it slides out on occation. They refused to belief this and claimed that all proof they were confronted with was faked. People like this who don't know anything about anatomy and body language might be far more common among zoos than not. Then you have people who only see what they want to see. Now add to that, that they may watch a porn when they're horny. How could anybody expect them to be a good judge about the media they consume? They might ignore all the red flags, either willingly or unintentionally.

What I'm saying is, don't bury your head in the sand, just remember that it's important to differentiate. It's a useful skill, not only applied to porn, that more people should acquire. When it comes to the topic at hand, some stuff can be abusive, other stuff isn't. It's not too much to ask to pay attention to those details and not to embrace abusive content, no matter how "hot" it may appear to be.
 
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CritterFunatic said:
I guess their point was more to get the priorities straight and try to get the animal off the streets first before getting into anything sexual and then letting them exist whereever they've been found. Makes sense, as this is the difference between genuinely caring about an animals well-being (as many zoos claim that zoos should be all about that) and only being sexually interested in animals (which is a reality that applies to most people in zoo spaces). So asking to rehoming them first before bedding them seems like a noble effort, which ultimately would quite probably not happen though.


That's what most non-zoos would prefer as well. In case of genuine abusers I'm totally on board with that. But not every interaction is abuse, sadly this can rarely correctly be determined by outsiders and especially not by watching porn, because in a video you get to see what people want you to see, but you may not get to see what's going on behind the curtains. So being cautious would make sense. A rule of thumb is: if something in the interaction seems to be off, the whole thing might not be as wholesome and fine as one might be led to believe. But as I said, it's really hard to determine with media, unless the watcher is really knowledgeable enough for interpreting an animals body language properly and is also actually willing and in the mood to do so and making this the determining factor if they like the video or not.

But let's not kid ourselves here... People watch porn when they're horny. Horniness overrides rationality and sometimes also empathy and compassion. And some zoos are lousy judges of animal behavior, as well as anatomy. Case in point: One person on this forum once wanted to punish their dog for being horny all the time. Their reasoning: When the dog sits down the penis sticks out of the sheath a bit. People told him, that this is normal in certain breeds and sitting positions and told him, that there is a bone in the penis which causes it to be stiff all the time, which explains why it slides out on occation. They refused to belief this and claimed that all proof they were confronted with was faked. People like this who don't know anything about anatomy and body language might be far more common among zoos than not. Then you have people who only see what they want to see. Now add to that, that they may watch a porn when they're horny. How could anybody expect them to be a good judge about the media they consume? They might ignore all the red flags, either willingly or unintentionally.

What I'm saying is, don't bury your head in the sand, just remember that it's important to differentiate. It's a useful skill, not only applied to porn, that more people should acquire. When it comes to the topic at hand, some stuff can be abusive, other stuff isn't. It's not too much to ask to pay attention to those details and not to embrace abusive content, no matter how "hot" it may appear to be.
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So are you responsible for every stray you see?
That argument completely falls apart if the answer is no
 
HyperWoof said:
So are you responsible for every stray you see?
That argument completely falls apart if the answer is no
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The answer isn't as black and white as it is portrayed here.
I also see this point of view as less of an argument, but more of a suggestion.

Are you, personally, responsible for the animal being out there? Well, unless you personally abandoned the animal, then the answer is obviously "No".

Can you FEEL responsible for an animal being out there? Depending on your personality and levels of empathy, the living conditions of the animal outside and its impact on the local ecosystem, sure you can.

The thing is, people keep complaining about strays, some prefer to shoot them, others just want them caught, getting the snip, and then re-released, others advocate for rehoming them, some people might be for a combination of those options, while yet other people don't care one way or the other.
Of all options presented, rehoming a stray, especially a stray that one might have bonded with in one way or another might be the kindest thing one could do to them.
Like I said, seems less of an argument to me, but more like a suggestion. It certainly isn't the worst suggestion in the world.
 
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Cookiecaretaker said:
i see more and more stray-fucking topics comming up so:

doing stuff with stray animals should be not allowed here - get them adopt them or at least search them a good home thats the way to go (and help prevent that they multiply)


use them sexual and dump then back to the streets is wrong


(wild animals i dont care but stray animals are not wild and dont belong into the nature - they need propper care and safety)
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Agree
 
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