Struggling with being a zoo and a furry.

[Pervyzoo]

when i was younger, and new to the fandom, maybe 15 years ago i was lucky that the new zealand furry scene at the time was filled with zoophiles. it was almost as much as a zoo club as it was a furry one. the non-zoos knew, and didn't care. i don't know what happened, i guess people change... but it's not like that anymore. the older furries/zoos might still be in contact with eachother, but they're invisible to the world. i don't even think they've made it here after beastforum went down.
the newer generations of furries are far more concerned with social media, and therefore how they appear to the general public - and they're a completely different species, far more discriminatory, but at the same time very cringy and generally unpleasant to deal with.

 

[dl98]

Been discussed on here before. It's largely a generational difference. The older members are ok with it and many are zoos. It's the numerous young generation that like with everything they get involving in are loud present and toxic, co-opting it to their vision and nothing more. With a big part of it being denial of their own attraction, "I like talking animals and animal penises, but fuck no I don't I don't like animals!".

This is anecdotal. Then again, so is my experience, which does not align - plenty of furs in my age group I know into it, some older furs I know who talk it down.

 

[zooluvr97]

Fellow furry zoo here. I don't even want to think about how much hurtful stuff I've come across in the furry 'community' :/ I've kept my zoo status quiet, because I know the consequences would be awful if word got out to the wrong person.

Anyways, if anyone wants to chat about furry stuff, zoo things, or anything else, hmu

 

[Faux]

Just anecdotal. Nothing to further elaborate on the subject. Just the experiences I made.
Not that long ago, when I came first into contact with the furry fandom in the mid 00's of the 2000s, I was careful about my zooishness only to find out that a lot of furries I interacted with, were actually openly zoo or were zoo's in hiding. There was some kind of a mutual understanding, when talking about feral art and so on. It was kinda clear, what we were.
After I was de-facto absent from the community for a couple of years, it hit me like a brick wall after I tried to reconnect with the community. Either I wasn't able to find the 'quality' communities I had experienced before. Or only in small fragments. Zealots and Witchhunts on twitter and what not. And most of the zoofur communities (not all) I was able to find, were toxic as fuck in their own right. The ones which weren't, died of inactivity instead. *shrugs*

 

[HellCat9788]

Just anecdotal. Nothing to further elaborate on the subject. Just the experiences I made.
Not that long ago, when I came first into contact with the furry fandom in the mid 00's of the 2000s, I was careful about my zooishness only to find out that a lot of furries I interacted with, were actually openly zoo or were zoo's in hiding. There was some kind of a mutual understanding, when talking about feral art and so on. It was kinda clear, what we were.
After I was de-facto absent from the community for a couple of years, it hit me like a brick wall after I tried to reconnect with the community. Either I wasn't able to find the 'quality' communities I had experienced before. Or only in small fragments. Zealots and Witchhunts on twitter and what not. And most of the zoofur communities (not all) I was able to find, were toxic as fuck in their own right. The ones which weren't, died of inactivity instead. *shrugs*

One huge fear I live with everyday, I've seen how bad furries get, violent and terrible people are just for finding out someone is into zoo, I see a witch hunt every so often on Twitter, discord servers and telegram groups, they don't go easy, they fight with the idea to end someone life/furry name, I hate how gated the community has gotten, I'm not saying furries will ever treat us with respect, but just knowing people out there are toxic to zoofurs, just ruins the idea of being a furry, I'm not open at all, I'm closeted, and I avoid any interaction between furries fighting against zoofurs, I do get called out sometimes, but they leave me alone when I say "I want nothing to do with this" I was almost called out once, but no one could find evidence, there's someone out there that has evidence, but they're holding me hostage, only to expose me if I ever commission Feral or get a pet

 

[kabsutuu]

If anyone wants a ray of hope: I’m only here because of zoofurs. I was in denial about being a zoo for well over a decade, until another furry I know decided to talk to me about it, since I guess I pinged his zoo-dar. I know at least a handful of other furs that I get strong zoo vibes from, or that I’m 100% sure identified as a zoo in the past, and I’ve just been too sheepish to test the waters and come out them. I get the feeling there’s a lot of us, and most just keep it very quiet.

 

[arfdog]

If anyone wants a ray of hope: I’m only here because of zoofurs. I was in denial about being a zoo for well over a decade, until another furry I know decided to talk to me about it, since I guess I pinged his zoo-dar. I know at least a handful of other furs that I get strong zoo vibes from, or that I’m 100% sure identified as a zoo in the past, and I’ve just been too sheepish to test the waters and come out them. I get the feeling there’s a lot of us, and most just keep it very quiet.

100% this most furries gotta trash on zoo in public else risk the wrath of the mob, a good way to test the waters a bit is people who are into feral stuff since its a more acceptable fetish with a lot of overlap.

 

[Horsesarehot]

Zurry

 

[Jdoggy]

furry is an immature zoo - that is how you should handle them
*cough*

Nailed it

 

[PricklyFox]

Met all my zoo friends through furry, Now sure how I would have found any irl otherwise. In my time i've certainly felt the mood shift with the new generation. But if you can look past the people crying about it, its still there. And yea, A lot of the whiners partake behind closed doors. What else is new.

 

[TheMaverick]

Been discussed on here before. It's largely a generational difference. The older members are ok with it and many are zoos. It's the numerous young generation that like with everything they get involving in are loud present and toxic, co-opting it to their vision and nothing more. With a big part of it being denial of their own attraction, "I like talking animals and animal penises, but fuck no I don't I don't like animals!".

Funniest thing I’ve read here ??

 

[sassfire]

I’m a furry and a zoo and I don’t get this whole movement to force acceptance from any particular demographic. You come out, and you take risks. Everyone has a right to be devout to their belief system. Everyone has the right to not be harassed or abused. You don’t need sexual affirmation from anyone outside of your mates. Let the zoo’s be zoo, straights be straight, the gays be gay, let the haters hate, and let the trannies mutate. This whole business of throwing your sexuality into everyone’s face has got to stop.

Agree if you wouldn’t mind but to answer a question of mine is it a good idea to come out to be a furry because in my area it is nowhere around and yes Ohio West Virginia area Kentucky I’ve met other zoos but never a Furry and give you an idea the area I mean there was no Black people 20 years ago the first ones came down and did not disappear so yeah. In the middle of nowhere hillbilly law is in effect you fuck with someone you get buried nosy in their business you get buried mind your own fucking business on your own fucking property and you’ll be fucking fine if not you’ll be dead and hillbillies land is their country basically I love my hillbilly freedom

 

[Wet Fortune Cookie]

Just a small rant here about the furry community and how it relates to zoophiles, I honestly hate the whole “witch-hunt” of zoophiles in the furry community. I have talked to lots of furs about this and most actually support zoophiles but are just too scared to say anything and just kinda go with the whole “yeah let’s kick out all the zoophiles” thing. I really wish these people who support us actually spoke out and made the furry community a more accepting space of zoophiles and not a group who supposedly “wants nothing to do with them” even though the majority of furs support them. Anyone else feel this way or had any personal experiences with this? Just felt like I had to get this complaint out there.

It’s because of brainwashing from some stupid 12 year old furries that make zoo’s look terrible. Sure, there are some bad apples but we know personally that it isn’t everyone. It’s a huge problem.

 

[dpbfinder]

A lot of people unfortunately just parrot each other’s opinions without critical thought. The joys of cancel culture.

 

[Rodex565]

Just a small rant here about the furry community and how it relates to zoophiles, I honestly hate the whole “witch-hunt” of zoophiles in the furry community. I have talked to lots of furs about this and most actually support zoophiles but are just too scared to say anything and just kinda go with the whole “yeah let’s kick out all the zoophiles” thing. I really wish these people who support us actually spoke out and made the furry community a more accepting space of zoophiles and not a group who supposedly “wants nothing to do with them” even though the majority of furs support them. Anyone else feel this way or had any personal experiences with this? Just felt like I had to get this complaint out there.

I've been a furry for longer than I've been a zoo and have seen quite a bit in that fandom.

The furry fandom and the zoophilia community are very similar whether people want to admit it or not. I have always had a thing for animals but just recently accepted myself being a zoophile. (I struggled with it for years because of society's views but that's another story.)

In my opinion, a lot of the younger people in the furry fandom (I'd say 18 - 27) are still getting started in life and a lot of them haven't grown out of their mindset from when they were younger because people tend to surround themselves with others who share similar viewpoints. (Just speaking from what I have seen. This is in now way criticism)

Its unfortunate because the furry fandom claims to be extremely accepting of each other but for whatever reason, zoophilia gets a lot of hate inside the fandom. It is also illegal in certain places but there should still be some form of acceptance.

 

[ZTWolf]

I've been Zoo long before I joined the furry fandom and I agree on it can be tough being in both groups sometimes. I agree the furry fandom has been on what seems like a witch hunt to find and out all the Zoos they can. Seems like ever since the Kero incident a few years back Zoophillia has been more of a mainstream topic even more so recently with the sappho stuff. I do find it off-putting when your in a fandom that embraces and loves anthro and feral animals along with all the NSFW art out there talking about how they love the art and the stuff they would do that said character, in that instance they're basically admitting to wanting canine or equine cock (not to mention all of them that have BD dildos of animal cocks) but as soon at you bring up the real life counterpart your disgusting and get shunned. I know plenty of furries I've just met over the years who are also Zoo long before I got into the forums. But many are scared to admit they enjoy Zoo or are curious about it because of how the fandom views it. They just hop on the bandwagon of "let's all hate this". It can be discouraging at times

 

[DVDA]

I got into the furry fandom thanks to Beastforum. My first furry RPs were on Beastforum. Before social media, zoofurs were a common thing. But now, it's fighting a losing battle. You won't help any "cause" by being an outed zoofur. The beauty of the internet though? You can stay anonymous.

 

[birdbirdbird123]

I've been Zoo long before I joined the furry fandom and I agree on it can be tough being in both groups sometimes. I agree the furry fandom has been on what seems like a witch hunt to find and out all the Zoos they can. Seems like ever since the Kero incident a few years back Zoophillia has been more of a mainstream topic even more so recently with the sappho stuff. I do find it off-putting when your in a fandom that embraces and loves anthro and feral animals along with all the NSFW art out there talking about how they love the art and the stuff they would do that said character, in that instance they're basically admitting to wanting canine or equine cock (not to mention all of them that have BD dildos of animal cocks) but as soon at you bring up the real life counterpart your disgusting and get shunned. I know plenty of furries I've just met over the years who are also Zoo long before I got into the forums. But many are scared to admit they enjoy Zoo or are curious about it because of how the fandom views it. They just hop on the bandwagon of "let's all hate this". It can be discouraging at times

I definitely feel that discouragement. Then you have the people that draw the line between feral and "quads", with ferals being non-sapient animals. It starts getting into really frustrating terminology wars, and there are definitely times where I've just wanted to disengage with the entire thing.

 

[TallKM]

Yeah since joining the furry fandom this year I can clearly see a disconnect. Most wouldn't even dare talk about enjoying feral porn let alone speak about bestiality. But yet everyone worships dog knots and horse cocks. I can't seem to wrap my head around how people can get horny about a dog cock yet wouldn't dare extend to bestiality. I guess I am just more open to ideas. The whole thing is I guess people think its raping animals but we all obviously have a great concern for animals well being and wouldn't do that. Like how do they think a dog actively mounting a human for intercourse is us raping them? Idk. Its hard to push my biases away and see their side for what it is.

 

[ProfessorDankness]

Just a small rant here about the furry community and how it relates to zoophiles, I honestly hate the whole “witch-hunt” of zoophiles in the furry community. I have talked to lots of furs about this and most actually support zoophiles but are just too scared to say anything and just kinda go with the whole “yeah let’s kick out all the zoophiles” thing. I really wish these people who support us actually spoke out and made the furry community a more accepting space of zoophiles and not a group who supposedly “wants nothing to do with them” even though the majority of furs support them. Anyone else feel this way or had any personal experiences with this? Just felt like I had to get this complaint out there.

Well, furries in general are accused of being "degenerates" so I understand them not wanting anything to do with a group that is defaulted by society as actual "degenerates" such as zoos. Though, is it true that both communities share a common love for animals so they can coexist in a same, safe space for the two of them. Anyway I think is necessary for those who are both zoo and furry to understand that not all furries are also zoos, and they can have different approach and relationships to real life animals, and they shouldn't be judged for that. While I was a furry all of my life, most of it I was disgusted by the idea of bestiality until I found forums like this one. Now I can understand the mindset of both zoos and non-zoos and I think this is necessary to reach a furry community that is more strong and united instead of shattered and self-destructive.

 

[VegasZoo]

I'm a zoo and furry. But I'm not a zoofur in the sense I keep those two aspects of my life separate.
That may be similar as why furs are ant-zoo. Furries are already targeted as perverted freaks and they would automatically labeled as a zoo. Well, they would likely use a more offensive world or simple call them animal-fuckers. That's why furries who aren't zoo get really pissed off. Making them and their fandom less legitimate and give them a bad image. Or a more worse image. That's why they rant. I don't like being called something I'm not. Besides I'm a zoophile, not a zoosadist or bestialitist... that's not a word, but you get what I mean.
So it's not always about being called a name, it's more about called something you are not.
Not all zoos are furries and not all furries are zoo. Furry isn't a gateway drug to zoo. I mean I'm also attracted to MILF's. Does that mean all zoos are MILF chasers?
I don't reveal my zoo status to other furries, but I have no problem revealing it here. I also other attractions that I wouldn't reveal here, but might admit to being a zoo (and furry) to people who share my particular interest.

 

[Hornydoggie69]

Okay so yes agreed on most accounts.. and honestly if you pick your friends right in the furry fandom they are probably going to be open with you if you are semi open with them about such kinks / interests... having 10+ detailed commissions with ferals waiving their dick's around should allow you to weed out who you want to talk too pretty quickly...

Most furry web admins from the 00s were zoophiles.. Most furries by definition are zoophiles...

You want to know why furries dont welcome us into the fold? We have shitbags like Snakething, Kero and other predators that we as a community have given a voice to instead of dealing with it within the community directly... There was 100s of folks in those abuse rings no-one had the nerve to say fuck this is abusive and you are mental. Nope we let it go till it was leaked publicly where oh boy look we have vet techs drugging dogs and discussion of using drugs on a person..

We currently have people online being visible zoos on social media setting terrible examples by seeking minors.. sending minors porn or engaging in pissing matches with minors on social media ..

If you are friends with these people please tell them to stop.. Twitter is bad enough, the fact I had to ghost most zoos I followed because they wanted to play fuck fuck games with the random trolls and minors is sad.

You want to be more acceptable just call yourself a feral fur. Don't brag about fucking your corgi in a random telegram chat... Support the feral artists that do amazing work and wowee you're accepted in the furry community.

The kids (18-23 year olds) these days are so fucking confused.. they don't know if they are gay straight queer bi demi zoo pedo or whatever other labels there are now.. so they go with the safe choice.. just fit in...

We 30+ didn't have this same pressure we figured it on our own... We maybe saw too many natgeo shows or whatever but it worked its way out..

TLDR; you don't need to be publicly out in furry communities, just support the artists you enjoy and understand other zoos likely also enjoy their works. If you are publicly out you have to play a peacekeeping role.. not defense not offense just chill.

 

[Mortimer snerd]

First of all, I think people are entitled to their opinions. If you need to hate, go ahead and hate. I'll be over here, though.

Beyond that, I find furries fascinating, especially the ones who are into feral. You like realistic animal genitals, but are not attracted to real animals? That is such a fine distinction that it's either oblivious or plain dishonest. I admit that some people may be able to compartmentalize those feelings, but don't believe it's the norm. I see the rest of the furry community on a similar slippery slope.

I used to be active on e621, but found the atmosphere too toxic. It got to be a real dower. I once got flamed because I said "dogs don't make that face when screwing". The hate that poured out was startling to me. I saw plenty of similar attacks on others, and some bans I thought were odd at best. I ultimately gave up, because I really wasn't interested in walking on eggshells. Cancel culture at its finest.

No thanks.

 

[Ryuku]

Just a small rant here about the furry community and how it relates to zoophiles, I honestly hate the whole “witch-hunt” of zoophiles in the furry community. I have talked to lots of furs about this and most actually support zoophiles but are just too scared to say anything and just kinda go with the whole “yeah let’s kick out all the zoophiles” thing. I really wish these people who support us actually spoke out and made the furry community a more accepting space of zoophiles and not a group who supposedly “wants nothing to do with them” even though the majority of furs support them. Anyone else feel this way or had any personal experiences with this? Just felt like I had to get this complaint out there.

Yay I support you

 

[AlliesOfDogs]

Just a small rant here about the furry community and how it relates to zoophiles, I honestly hate the whole “witch-hunt” of zoophiles in the furry community. I have talked to lots of furs about this and most actually support zoophiles but are just too scared to say anything and just kinda go with the whole “yeah let’s kick out all the zoophiles” thing. I really wish these people who support us actually spoke out and made the furry community a more accepting space of zoophiles and not a group who supposedly “wants nothing to do with them” even though the majority of furs support them. Anyone else feel this way or had any personal experiences with this? Just felt like I had to get this complaint out there.

This. I've talk about zoo related topics with some friends before but a common acquaintance has been really riding that zoo hunt bandwagon. All talks about it has stopped since and it definitely kills the mood for the group when they bring it up. It's literally the single person out of the 20ish people. Just like the burned furs movement, time will be on our side. Those kids aren't going to have much free time after they get out of school and find a job

 

[sassfire]

Zooier than thou podcast awesome many of the ideas I have thought of when I’m sitting outside looking at the country sky or doing farm work. When I fell in love and still am with my dog I realized animals are people a even though The evil Bible says animals are not. a lie from God the man or Woman also could be neither or both who knows everything really I hate lie’s and religion is the biggest lie. Like native Americans and African-Americans were considered to be not human not that long ago I know this is a lie now but before ours say 15 I did that I believe when I was programmed per say so forming your own opinions and teaching others how to do that is something that the constitution should even have unless you want sheep of course to follow everything you tell them.

 

[ChaiPup]

If it makes anyone feel any better, a lot of these younger fake Clout Furries will stop being a furry by the time they're like 25. It's totally based on who can yell the loudest and buy/make the most expensive art right now. I think give it a coupla years and the fandom will go back to being more balanced. I hope, lol.

 

[Quinazagga]

The Anti ---- Furry is not a furry they are a Narcotic narcissistic Zoophile The whole thing is that they aren't furries they are the ones that victimize others to fulfill the fantasy of being a crusader and feeds into their narcissistic delusions about the fandom. They all are zoophiles and that i the reality of individuals with an anthropomorphicphelia are common this comes out in their NSF art or writing and generally is not displayed in the general public where minors are present and adult venues and in private accommodations. This expands into prurrsuiting in adult entertainment and murrsuiting exotic kink or fetishism. It also moves into interspecies relationships via roleplay and cosplay. The ones that

 

[Traumhengst90]

when i was younger, and new to the fandom, maybe 15 years ago i was lucky that the new zealand furry scene at the time was filled with zoophiles. it was almost as much as a zoo club as it was a furry one. the non-zoos knew, and didn't care. i don't know what happened, i guess people change... but it's not like that anymore. the older furries/zoos might still be in contact with eachother, but they're invisible to the world. i don't even think they've made it here after beastforum went down.
the newer generations of furries are far more concerned with social media, and therefore how they appear to the general public - and they're a completely different species, far more discriminatory, but at the same time very cringy and generally unpleasant to deal with.

As long as it is forbidden in the most countries and there are agressive groups hunting zoophiles it is safer to be invisible

 

[WildWolfy]

You’d find that the majority of who claim to be anti-zoo furs are actually some of the most hardcore, often not in a good way. A lot of times it’s misdirection and/or playing the good guy image.