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Struggling with being a zoo and a furry.

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AsheFox

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Just a small rant here about the furry community and how it relates to zoophiles, I honestly hate the whole “witch-hunt” of zoophiles in the furry community. I have talked to lots of furs about this and most actually support zoophiles but are just too scared to say anything and just kinda go with the whole “yeah let’s kick out all the zoophiles” thing. I really wish these people who support us actually spoke out and made the furry community a more accepting space of zoophiles and not a group who supposedly “wants nothing to do with them” even though the majority of furs support them. Anyone else feel this way or had any personal experiences with this? Just felt like I had to get this complaint out there.
 
Been discussed on here before. It's largely a generational difference. The older members are ok with it and many are zoos. It's the numerous young generation that like with everything they get involving in are loud present and toxic, co-opting it to their vision and nothing more. With a big part of it being denial of their own attraction, "I like talking animals and animal penises, but fuck no I don't I don't like animals!".
 
i'm not huge on the social aspect of the furry communities but i do see that cub and zoo tend to get lumped into one group. any attempt to defend zoo gets you labeled as a pedofile and it's honestly exhausting and not worth the effort so no one tries anymore. a good number of those who are the most vocally against zoo seem really young to me. unfortunately it's just not a fight you're going to win. i just stay in my own lane and block when needed
 
it does get awkward when my friends who are furries get into anti-zoo rants, but like someone mentioned above i just try to stay in my own lane about it. not much i can do. but it’s also interesting because i know 1 or 2 close friends who admit to also being zoo but will never admit to it and go along with the anti-zoo sentiment that many furries have, and i honestly don’t blame them. while it would be nice for furs to accept zoos, furs speak so loudly against it because our fandom already has a critical reputation to begin with, and i guess people do it as a way to try to improve that image.
 
Yeah, it's definitely gotten worse over the years. I think a lot of it is a big knee-jerk reaction to some of the higher profile members of the community that were revealed to be pedophiles, sexual abusers, child groomers, and zoosadists, that were also involved in beastiality. Unfortunately there's been quite a few cases of that. So I think the way things went was "this is a terrible guy that did terrible fucked up things, and now we're going to evaluate all zoophiles through the example this guy set".
 
Just a small rant here about the furry community and how it relates to zoophiles, I honestly hate the whole “witch-hunt” of zoophiles in the furry community. I have talked to lots of furs about this and most actually support zoophiles but are just too scared to say anything and just kinda go with the whole “yeah let’s kick out all the zoophiles” thing. I really wish these people who support us actually spoke out and made the furry community a more accepting space of zoophiles and not a group who supposedly “wants nothing to do with them” even though the majority of furs support them. Anyone else feel this way or had any personal experiences with this? Just felt like I had to get this complaint out there.
I’m a furry and a zoo and I don’t get this whole movement to force acceptance from any particular demographic. You come out, and you take risks. Everyone has a right to be devout to their belief system. Everyone has the right to not be harassed or abused. You don’t need sexual affirmation from anyone outside of your mates. Let the zoo’s be zoo, straights be straight, the gays be gay, let the haters hate, and let the trannies mutate. This whole business of throwing your sexuality into everyone’s face has got to stop.
 
I'm not active in the community as a member, just a lurker, but yeah it's really fucking weird how people with intricate knowledge of knots who will draw Anthro Dogmeat giving them his dog meat but OH SHIT IT'S NOW GOT A FERAL TAG ZOO ALERT ZOO ALERT
Funny how everyone gaps to authentic animal genitalia but pretends to be anti-zoo. The double standard is mesmerizing
 
I am a Furry, too and it is like hiding within a hiding hole. Furry themselves used to be and kinda still are social outcasts, yet they still find others within their ranks to frown upon (leaving aside the political extremists and focusing on fetishes here).

It is sad to see so many ppl being into Feral art and obviously enjoying realistic horse and dog meat on ferals and anthros but then going on a tantrum when it comes to zoo.

And those ppl I have met in the comunity and that are more open about it tend to be those who disregard the safety of animals and only seek pleasure. I can understand why one would dislike those kinds of ppl.

But again, those are SOME of the ppl that enjoy zoo, not all of them
 
I could count the amount of zoo furries that have been open to me about it on a single hand.

I'm even using a completely different pseudonym here, because I would rather the fandom not find out what I am, I am already... if you would forgive the pun... "fursona non-grata" after voting a certain way.

Everyone finding out I want to bury my face in zebra pussy would be like trying to put out a fire with a molotov cocktail.

It's sad, but its something we have to deal with.
 
look, zoo is never going to go away, the whole witch hunt is getting way to out of control, and yeah, so many are young and immature, the only way in my opinion, is to just keep it private, no one can find out if you don't spill it out, it annoys me to see furries say zoopride, like they wanna start drama, as much as i like zoo, but hate being a furry as well, the only way is to hide in the shadows
 
As a fellow zoo fur I will say it's really annoying and upsetting, I found out I was a zoo through the furry community. However, things won't change unless there's a leader we can stand behind, if no one stands up then we just can sit down and watch how we get slowly pushed out of the community.

Of course it's really hard being the one that will take the heat but that's the only way we can get people to change.
 
support? i don't know if i would go that far... ambivalent or even accepting, maybe. but that's a start.

outspoken anti-zoos are usually very self-righteous and are usually also the type to go on performative tirades about child porn or racism or whatever, because in their mind being outspoken of it clears them of any suspicion. case in point. i was thinking about this earlier today. isn't it kind of funny that these outspoken types are also the most likely to use our jargon? like, i rarely see people outside the community use "zoo" as shorthand for "zoophile." maybe it's for brevity, but it still begs of the question of how they know it in the first place... it's almost as if they've been lurking around our websites, reading dirty stories and looking at lewd pictures...

though i'm not sure why some of you guys are insisting that all - not just some - furries are secretly zoophiles, or on their way to becoming zoos. no doubt a lot of them are. especially the ones who look at straight-up bestiality art and call it "feral" — but a talking cartoon dog is a far cry from a real one who barks and walks on four legs. i can definitely say that the process for drawing one is completely different.

As a fellow zoo fur I will say it's really annoying and upsetting, I found out I was a zoo through the furry community. However, things won't change unless there's a leader we can stand behind, if no one stands up then we just can sit down and watch how we get slowly pushed out of the community.

Of course it's really hard being the one that will take the heat but that's the only way we can get people to change.
only thing that will do put a face to a movement people hate, so that angry zealots can shake their fists at him. meanwhile, the real zoos will be too scared to publicly support him for fear of outing themselves.

no, there are more subtle ways to shift the narrative without getting people fired or thrown in prison. some people may not be fully onboard with this zoo thing, but they might be willing to listen to reason. focus on them. and unless you want to scare them off, don't just blurt out that you fuck horses. present yourself as a disinterested third party, as to distance yourself from the angry zealots and make fence-sitters more receptive to your reasoning.
 
support? i don't know if i would go that far... ambivalent or even accepting, maybe. but that's a start.

outspoken anti-zoos are usually very self-righteous and are usually also the type to go on performative tirades about child porn or racism or whatever, because in their mind being outspoken of it clears them of any suspicion. case in point. i was thinking about this earlier today. isn't it kind of funny that these outspoken types are also the most likely to use our jargon? like, i rarely see people outside the community use "zoo" as shorthand for "zoophile." maybe it's for brevity, but it still begs of the question of how they know it in the first place... it's almost as if they've been lurking around our websites, reading dirty stories and looking at lewd pictures...

though i'm not sure why some of you guys are insisting that all - not just some - furries are secretly zoophiles, or on their way to becoming zoos. no doubt a lot of them are. especially the ones who look at straight-up bestiality art and call it "feral" — but a talking cartoon dog is a far cry from a real one who barks and walks on four legs. i can definitely say that the process for drawing one is completely different.


only thing that will do put a face to a movement people hate, so that angry zealots can shake their fists at him. meanwhile, the real zoos will be too scared to publicly support him for fear of outing themselves.

no, there are more subtle ways to shift the narrative without getting people fired or thrown in prison. some people may not be fully onboard with this zoo thing, but they might be willing to listen to reason. focus on them. and unless you want to scare them off, don't just blurt out that you fuck horses. present yourself as a disinterested third party, as to distance yourself from the angry zealots and make fence-sitters more receptive to your reasoning.
you actually make a good point, when I was thinking about this I was thinking about it using a theory I've been studying but now you made me realize that it doesn't apply. Your method might be better and I agree on that, they are just a little too into the whole thing to say that they're not at least s bit interested.
 
you actually make a good point, when I was thinking about this I was thinking about it using a theory I've been studying but now you made me realize that it doesn't apply. Your method might be better and I agree on that, they are just a little too into the whole thing to say that they're not at least s bit interested.
well you were definitely right about one thing though, we need to stand up. maybe not in such a way that it draws a bunch of attention to ourselves, but we can't let them shift the narrative like this. and we all need to do our part, however small it might be. not only because it threatens us, but because this takes attention away from legitimate issues. and i think if we can make people realize that, then they will have the power to see through all the self-righteous anti-zoo outrage. it's baffling that someone could think bestiality is morally equivalent to child sex abuse, but i suppose it's true that people think of animals as furry babies — that they're helpless, and more importantly, sexless... time for that to change.
 
well you were definitely right about one thing though, we need to stand up. maybe not in such a way that it draws a bunch of attention to ourselves, but we can't let them shift the narrative like this. and we all need to do our part, however small it might be. not only because it threatens us, but because this takes attention away from legitimate issues. and i think if we can make people realize that, then they will have the power to see through all the self-righteous anti-zoo outrage. it's baffling that someone could think bestiality is morally equivalent to child sex abuse, but i suppose it's true that people think of animals as furry babies — that they're helpless, and more importantly, sexless... time for that to change.
I agree but now this makes me think : how do we stand up for ourselves without bringing attention? if someone decides to do it they'll get all the hate, how do we, as individuals, help the situation?
 
In my experience the furry fandom is used by many, many people to mask particularly taboo sexual interests. Getting off on sucking a horse cock is taboo, but turn it into a kinky drawing of two anthropomorphic horses sucking horse cock and suddenly it's a lot less controversial. And the same goes for a lot of other taboo stuff, including stuff like rape and underage interests. Browse through the front page of an average furry art site and half of the artwork would be completely unacceptable, if not downright illegal, if translated to real life interests. And I don't believe for a second that someone can get off on a fictional horse cock but has absolutely no interest what so ever in a real one. That is bullshit, and this crusade against zoophilia in the furry fandom is nothing more than denial in one form or another.
 
Witchhunting has gotten really popular recently and it’s mostly just a front to keep a reputation/hide in plain sight since if you’re outwardly anti-zoo online then nobody’s going to suspect that you’re a zoophile.

A lot of furries are ‘closet’ zoophiles, not all of them obviously, but more than people would lead you to believe. I’m both a furry and a zoo but I’m not open about being a zoo to the community apart from an anonymous separate art account for feral art. I think the calling- people-out-for-everything-purity-culture movement on Twitter and similar sites isn’t going to stop anytime soon and it’s hard to fight it without being clocked as a zoophile and then attacked.

As much as the fandom hates to admit it, getting off to furry yiff is a gateway to zoophilia for a lot of people now since it’s very easy to go from anthro yiff, to anthro with realistic genitals, to feral, to zoo. At least that’s how I got to discover I was more into animals than anthro animals.
 
I agree but now this makes me think : how do we stand up for ourselves without bringing attention? if someone decides to do it they'll get all the hate, how do we, as individuals, help the situation?
i think we can learn from fringe political groups in this regard. you know, crypto-fascism, crypto-communism, etc... the kind of ideology that usually gets dismissed out of hand, but can still push the narrative in one way or another by masquerading as something else.

although i'd like to make the fandom a place where people can be openly zoo, that's more of a long-term goal. at the moment, respectable, mainstream furries more or less feel like it's okay to hunt us down and dox us, and to shame people for enjoying feral art. but most of these people are secretly self-conscious about their own taboo fantasies, so explore that angle: why is all the rape and murder porn okay? what are you hiding? and why does it matter if the cartoon dogs we jack off to have four legs instead of two? even though feral art is basically just zoophilia, i'd like to push the notion that it's totally different, so that people let their guard down and look at it without shame or remorse, because it's one step closer to real zoo content.

furthermore, if you know anyone who might be convinced to support us, then you can carefully start to breach the subject. particularly if they already like feral porn. i start testing the water by making jokes. if they react negatively, you can reason that it was just a stupid joke and diffuse the situation. when i finally feel comfortable to make my pro-zoo arguments, i pick my examples carefully. for example, a dog mounting a human — because it's very hard to argue that the human is coercing the dog in this case. or a man and a mare, because a horse can really mess you up if she feels endangered. but before you argue about this at all, you have to have a good pretense for doing so, so that you they don't think you're just arguing about it because you want to fuck animals. i usually reason that it's a waste of the court's time, or that we shouldn't infantilize animals and accepting their sexual desires is a major part of that.
 
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