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Should using bait in licking videos be banned (please read first)?

Should using bait in licking videos be banned (please read first)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 134 35.8%

  • No

    Votes: 190 50.8%

  • No opinion

    Votes: 47 12.6%

  • Other?

    Votes: 3 0.8%
  • Total voters
    374
MishaCZ said:
The difference is huge. Teaching your dog basic commands is a necessity for both their and your safety.

Using bait for this has only purpose, to make dog do something it wouldn't do by themselves. In consensual sexual activities with animals, you shouldn't need any treats in the first place. If said animal doesn't want to engage and you need to use some bait, it stops being consensual and starts being forced. End of story.
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I totally understand that, and am not arguing it, but who knows how that dog has been trained. There could have been years of smearing something somewhere to get a dog to do something, and now it’s not needed, as the dog is trained.
I personally don’t use treats to train my animals, as I can’t have treats on me at all times, and many dogs expect a reward for doing things, and damn do they look disappointed when they don’t get nothing…
 
Keepinitlowkey said:
I totally understand that, and am not arguing it, but who knows how that dog has been trained. There could have been years of smearing something somewhere to get a dog to do something, and now it’s not needed, as the dog is trained.
I personally don’t use treats to train my animals, as I can’t have treats on me at all times, and many dogs expect a reward for doing things, and damn do they look disappointed when they don’t get nothing…
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the presence or lack thereof of peanut butter isnt the root issue, the training a dog to pleasure you for rewards part is. whether the bait stops being necessary to get the dog to lick you is irrelevant; that was the desired outcome of training them in the first place.
 
shortbutfast said:
the presence or lack thereof of peanut butter isnt the root issue, the training a dog to pleasure you for rewards part is. whether the bait stops being necessary to get the dog to lick you is irrelevant; that was the desired outcome of training them in the first place.
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Once again, yes I understand this, BUT who’s saying that dog wasn’t trained to eat pussy by inserting something…. Hell, most of the videos out there might be just like this. Maybe the girls got a vag full of dog food?
Cold hard truth is, no one can really say how or if these dogs were “trained” or just natural to it.
I guess I’ll have to remember next time a girl tries to be adventurous or whatnot with me and something edible that she’s just manipulating me sexually, correct??
 
underdoge said:
Bait also reminds me of other things that people do that encourage sex like (talking about M/M) being submissive, permissive, extra playful, giving extra / different types of attention, stimulating him which makes the dog horny and affects their decision making, etc. Also with people, wearing attractive clothes or wearing perfume or flirting. Who does absolutely nothing special to try to encourage sex? If you do, that would be getting the dog to "do something it wouldn't do by themselves".

I don't see the forcing part. The dog is free to decide not to lick there with or without PB. PB just makes it more interesting for the dog.

It's good that people want the dog to like them and not the PB. I am one of them. But when I think about it then it gets more complex. As I mentioned, it is clear that without PB a lot of dogs will still lick just for the taste and not for them. Dogs also make decisions based on all of the circumstances including many of the artificial attractants that people knowingly or automatically do. It is very hard to separate the effect of liking the person from from the effect of those attractants. Who decides to have sex with a dog by making a sandwich and seeing if the dog decides to bend them over and go to town?
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You do make some good points, but realize this, the rules on this won’t change. There’s just too many variables with it. People keep looking for change, and soon there’ll be nothing. You could be looking at cp in many of these videos and not know it, as everything identifiable is covered up and hidden.
 
Keepinitlowkey said:
Once again, yes I understand this, BUT who’s saying that dog wasn’t trained to eat pussy by inserting something…. Hell, most of the videos out there might be just like this. Maybe the girls got a vag full of dog food?
Cold hard truth is, no one can really say how or if these dogs were “trained” or just natural to it.
I guess I’ll have to remember next time a girl tries to be adventurous or whatnot with me and something edible that she’s just manipulating me sexually, correct??
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thats a false equivalency. dogs are not humans, they are dogs. you cannot put peanut butter on your genitals and have a human lick it off without any understanding that the act is sexual in nature, unless of course children are involved. your comparisons to food fetish play are utterly irrelevant.
 
shortbutfast said:
thats a false equivalency. dogs are not humans, they are dogs. you cannot put peanut butter on your genitals and have a human lick it off without any understanding that the act is sexual in nature, unless of course children are involved. your comparisons to food fetish play are utterly irrelevant.
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Dogs also don’t look at this issue quite the same as we do… shall we get into mental manipulation? (Please don’t)
 
i do not agree with this. whats the difference between teaching a dog to mount and using peanut butter or what not to teach oral? i dont see a difference at all. imo forcing an animal is with a leash or whatever not allowing the animal to walk away or move its head forcfully keeping the animal in the situation if anything peanut butter is a sweet treat for doing a good job its encouraging. banning that kind of stuff will force me to leave the community because its saying that i "forced" an animal which i find very offensive plus i know im not the only person to ever use that method.
 
ThatGirlAmber said:
teaching a dog to mount and using peanut butter or what not to teach oral?
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Well you do not teach a dog to have sex with you at all. No training methods are to be used for sex. Training an animal to perform sex for you removes the possibility of consent.
The entire reason is explained here:

Training animals for sex

1. Training animals for sex. 2. Preventing animals from requesting sex in awkward moments. 1. Training animals for sex with people: This question does come up from time to time and people often have different opinions about it. I am going to present an explanation of what it means to train...
www.zoovilleforum.net www.zoovilleforum.net
 
pes said:
Well you do not teach a dog to have sex with you at all. No training methods are to be used for sex. Training an animal to perform sex for you removes the possibility of consent.
The entire reason is explained here:

Training animals for sex

1. Training animals for sex. 2. Preventing animals from requesting sex in awkward moments. 1. Training animals for sex with people: This question does come up from time to time and people often have different opinions about it. I am going to present an explanation of what it means to train...
www.zoovilleforum.net www.zoovilleforum.net
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Not trying to start a war in any way, but what about the videos where the girl is tapping her pussy, or telling the dog to keep going. That kinda falls under trained to do so, or told at least. No jokes tho, I’ve had many woman ask for oral, even slightly demand it. It happens.
If there’s videos I have issues with, it’s the ones where the dog or horse is limp though the video. And most horse videos that are somehow 10-20 minutes long.
 
well i guess having my ass up many times encouraging him to explore is forcing in everyones opinion. been a member here for awhile now enjoyed everyone but now i gotta see my way out have a nice day
 
ThatGirlAmber said:
well i guess having my ass up many times encouraging him to explore is forcing in everyones opinion. been a member here for awhile now enjoyed everyone but now i gotta see my way out have a nice day
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I understand what your saying, but an attitude like that is not needed here either.
 
So....basically, a 3 year old turning and telling her parents fine, I don't like you anyways..............ok, bye. No loss. Somehow, zooville will struggle on without you.
 
Hypocrisy much?

"can we all just stop. either way this forum has rules and if the admins feel like they need to say something or delete something they are going to do that. we as a zooville community should respect that and not complain. I for one am in agreement with any rules the admin wants to enforce especially when it comes to people's privacy. I am a victim of exploitation my self. yes tons of these videos we all have watched most likely dont have owner permission but also most of these have been on the web for many years j.s. ?"
 
Keepinitlowkey said:
I understand what your saying, but an attitude like that is not needed here either.
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hahaha my post on this misguided thread had to much attitude? i have had way worst 1 that you personally liked and another you laughed at. no one is worthy of discussing this topic with me have a wonderful day :)
 
ThatGirlAmber said:
hahaha my post on this misguided thread had to much attitude? i have had way worst 1 that you personally liked and another you laughed at. no one is worthy of discussing this topic with me have a wonderful day :)
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I’m stuck in bed, so my day isn’t so great… I’m not trying to be rude, as I enjoy many of your comments, it’s the whole “I’m leaving because of x reason” is just a crappy way to be. If I had the same attitude about this world, I’d have blown my head off years ago. Just cause a few people don’t see eye to eye with you, doesn’t mean no one does ;)
 
nekdoneco123 said:
seeing so many voting "yes" so far gives me some hope in this "community". then again, the average pornhound likely doesn't even go anywhere near this section to cast a vote... kudos to ppl who venture outside the porn section, then?
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You wonder if they have a spoiler button activated for the rest of the forum except for the porn Section
 
nekdoneco123 said:
seeing so many voting "yes" so far gives me some hope in this "community". then again, the average pornhound likely doesn't even go anywhere near this section to cast a vote... kudos to ppl who venture outside the porn section, then?
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And then you have all the others that are scared to put in their opinion…
 
In my opinion, baiting isn't abusive as there's no harm so long as the non-human is getting something they want and not being forced. That said, using bait is not something I want to see, not because it's abusive, but because I want to see happy partners who are willing and engaged, motivated by the pleasure they receive rather than having to be lured.

If bait is needed, I tend to think poorly of the situation and the motivations of the humans involved and wonder WTF they're doing so wrong that they can't get the non-human to engage otherwise. I feel it speaks volumes to the amount of trust established between the participants.

As for it being banned, I don't really care as I'm not a regular consumer of porn and it's not why I come here. I don't see baiting as inherently harmful, but I think it reflects poorly on anyone using it and I'd think says a lot about someone who'd find such appealing to watch. I recognize that not everyone develops an emotional attachment, but I personally can't see how a "performance" by a disinterested non-human could be of interest to anyone; but I've seen what passes for standards for some people.
 
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egoldstein said:
In my opinion, baiting isn't abusive as there's no harm so long as the non-human is getting something they want and not being forced. That said, using bait is not something I want to see, not because it's abusive, but because I want to see happy partners who are willing and engaged, motivated by the pleasure they receive rather than having to be lured.

If bait is needed, I tend to think poorly of the situation and the motivations of the humans involved and wonder WTF they're doing so wrong that they can't get the non-human to engage otherwise. I feel it speaks volumes to the amount of trust established between the participants.

As for it being banned, I don't really care as I'm not a regular consumer of porn and it's not why I come here. I don't see baiting as inherently harmful, but I think it reflects poorly on anyone using it and I'd think says a lot about someone who'd find such appealing to watch. I recognize that not everyone develops an emotional attachment, but I personally can't see how a "performance" by a disinterested non-human could be of interest to anyone; but I've seen what passes for standards for some people.
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i have a similar view of baiting... it's not necessarily abusive, but it's a pretty good indicator of one's view of animals. and their lack of interest (or care?) to make the non-human interested in sexual activities the normal way if there is any interest in doing that to begin with considering smearing pb all over one's junk is never about the dog getting off.

i'm all about treating dogs as equals as much as possible, which sadly isn't 100% possible in all circumstances (i can't let them roam free wherever, whenever for example), but in sex i totally can which is very likely why i view ppl who resort to baiting pretty low.

also gotta mention that having vid containing the practice as a "normal thing" around here reflects poorly on "us". using peanut butter to have a dog lick places is already a well established joke on "our" expense.
 
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