UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
?How many roads, must a man walk down, before you can call him a man...?
Rule Change To Allow The Original Poster More Control Of Their Own Thread!!!! VOTE NOW!!!!!
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There's no possible way that this could go wrong, that's sarcasm by the way.
Bloit
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
So, instead of addressing some of the concerns people raised about your suggestion, you make a passive-aggressive remark.
Not very constructive. Please address the raised concerns.
Shadow69
Citizen of Zooville
They do have that right, before posting. Once you post in a public forum, be it internet or a crowded sidewalk, you do not get to decide who gets to voice an opinion. Doing so is called censorship and runs contrary to public discourse, free thought, and the freedom to express opinions and arguments. Be reminded, freedom of speech does NOT protect an individual's popular opinions, rather, it is there to protect unpopular or offensive thoughts and opinions.
This is actually not what this would do if it is implemented. There will be no change to the software of the forum.
Only mods can delete posts and the decision whether a post stays or not is on mods.
So here are some points where this could go wrong which I pointed out in the dumpster fire also:
1. Let people of any gender post in any section regardless of the section's gender categorization and leave the post there until the OP reports it if they do not like it.
This is the equivalent of free for all rule. This breaks current categorization making the porn section effectively one monolithic porn category. (making search for the stuff you want to see difficult, categorization of information on a forum is a useful tool)
2. If the OP has been inactive for 12 months since their last post and can not be contacted, only then can a mod take control of the thread and move or remove the post/thread based on a report from an active member.
This was added after pointing out that threads where the OP does not exist anymore are common.
This requires manually checking who has been last online when if a report is received.
Then if the OP is not banned you have to send them a message and wait for an unspecified amount of time for a reply and then decide.
- 1. How long do you want to wait to be able to tell they are not contactable a week, a month?
- 2. The whole time the report has to stay dormant in the queue.
3. When it is decided that the OP is not available and a mod decides to therefore remove a post, then you can easily accuse the mod of transphobia since a regular user does not have any ability to check how, when and whether any mod tried to contact any user.
4. The same problem goes for abandoned threads where a user does not have any ability to check whether the thread was reported or not at all.
So in conclusion doing this change will lead to the trans minority of the forum complaining that threads/posts are re/moved anyway.
And this whole issue was started by a complaint about a removed post.
Which is exactly what this comment is pointing out.
I do not care for porn. But I do care whether a change in the forum is going to have a desired effect and in my opinion it will not.
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UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Hallelujah!!!!!!! Another one with comprehension! I'm feeling less and less lonely by the minute
YanchaOkami
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I'll add an opinion which was not a single time from what I saw mentioned in this thread, but is related to the poll, as through the requested change this would be the result:
How much additional work / stress / time consumed would this add to mods, because random people (only a few, but that's probably enough..) would then request - as OP - that "this and that and those 2.." reported posts of users get removed, because out of thin air they don't like those in their own echo chamber?
This additional work can be used ways more productive in the maintenance and moderation of the forum itself against malicious or disturbing activities.
How much additional work / stress / time consumed would this add to mods, because random people (only a few, but that's probably enough..) would then request - as OP - that "this and that and those 2.." reported posts of users get removed, because out of thin air they don't like those in their own echo chamber?
This additional work can be used ways more productive in the maintenance and moderation of the forum itself against malicious or disturbing activities.
A decent amount, see above.
Again. Porn only. Otherwise this is a public forum.
It would, it is the same thing. Nothing in the software or user privileges is changing.
YanchaOkami
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
That's for sure, but especially in the "porn" category (with sub categories, like the initially relevant non-animal related "woman" category) there is quite a lively share of "semi"-porn with hundreds of comments.
As well there's ten thousands of comments in the more-or-less "real" porn sub categories.
If OPs report just a share of three users (which they don't want to participate in their thread - in the same aspect they couldn't "exclude" them from posting new posts, as the users don't break any forum rule - the OP could only report already posted responses for removal) per thread and each of those three users posts three to five times, that's an intense amount of additional reports.
Not to talk about that those users - which didn't break any forum rules and are not limited on posting new responses in the thread, due to no broken forum rules, from how I understand it - are either confused, annoyed, angered or they are OK with it. And depending on their emotional state there will be -more- comments (posts) with even less relevance to the topic, which will get reported by the OP and as such..
And then there's all those postings which are breaking any rule, independently of reports. Which as well need to get checked in.
I assume if there's no way to exclude the users from an open thread in the categories - if the OP doesn't want their comments to be posted there - permanently, then it just generates an endless stream of confusion and anger / reactions without any relevance for the topic related causes.
And if there's a way for any OP to exclude users which don't break forum rules from their topics, then this resembles purely echo chambers and small private spaces in categories which are meant for public access and easy recognition. Not really helpful. Not to talk about how those users will react if they're just excluded without any broken rule or annoyance (aside an OP which doesn't like their post).
It would basically undermine the functional rule set by creating subareas where the rules might be not longer "known" by anyone participating. The chaos which results out of this is impressive.
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Another issue is that currently if for example someone posts a guy with a dog in the woman with dogs subforum, it is automatically assumed that they do not know how the forum works and posted it wrong by accident.
The thread is moved to the correct category.
With this change a mod would have to contact the poster, ask them whether they are trans and want to keep the thread there and only then find out that they do not understand what women with animals means (which happens surprisingly often ).
The thread is moved to the correct category.
With this change a mod would have to contact the poster, ask them whether they are trans and want to keep the thread there and only then find out that they do not understand what women with animals means (which happens surprisingly often
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YanchaOkami
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Yes, the usually applied analysis of "why is this posted here" does not work any longer in this case.
It would require each action aside broken forum rules to get communicated with either the OP* or the one to remove the post from. In many cases both, as the user might wonder and request support on "where did my posting go to?". On the same time people will wonder why there are males with male dogs in the females with male dogs category (as example) and report those, creating "false" reports, not in relation to the forum rules, but to the OP wishes.
If the OP created this thread and allows that trans MtF are allowed to post there, as they see them self as females - which is not the problem, but there are still penises visible in the media - then it is contrary to the category schematic and people are as well confused, more reports follow.
This pulls an endless rat tail of unnecessary actions and confusion behind it. For almost everyone. And I assume aside from anger, confusion and thereof unnecessary further postings without topic relevance, it will as well reduce the participation in all categories, as the schematics (forum rules) are not longer the main guideline, but individual wishes of OPs apply after those unbeknownst to users.
* To clarify this: first "contact" is the report by OP. If it is filled out informative, no further communication is needed. If the report is blank, not filled out informatively (why the posting should be removed) then the moderator has to first check the posting for any broken forum rules due to the mostly more intense actions needed in this case, like warning points / bans, then verify - if no rules are broken - that the one reporting it is the OP (or the OP is long gone..) and then - if yes - remove this posting.
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I think the most uncomfortable part of all of this is how OP has zero interest in the concerns of anyone else. Mods, other members, anyone who actually supports this, nada. A close second is how bad this could backfire if it passes. There's more than one echo chamber possible here.
I don't really care about the organization of the porn section, aside from the fact organization makes abuse easier to spot and snuff out. I do care about everyone having to deal with the backlash this could cause everywhere else. Like the possible pages of poles like this one just for one example.
I don't really care about the organization of the porn section, aside from the fact organization makes abuse easier to spot and snuff out. I do care about everyone having to deal with the backlash this could cause everywhere else. Like the possible pages of poles like this one just for one example.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Since it's been maintaining something reasonably close to 3:1 against, I doubt it's going anywhere but down in ? even without DF-grade input. (Which I've been being fighting every fiber of my being to remain VERY CAREFUL not to inject enough of to be objectionable, I'll thank everyone to know. I'm amazing even myself with the restraint being applied.)
I doubt it's going anywhere too. But plenty of people vote on things they don't know about because of who wants it.
Most involved have shown great restraint.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
This! This right here! You just described me to a "T".
I wonder who'll try to pick that up and run with it? This could be entertaining... If you do, take it to the fireplace so we can play on an open field instead of this little sandbox
If you do, take it to the fireplace so we can play on an open field instead of this little sandbox
YanchaOkami
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
The OPs "rules" would always be sub-par compared to the forum rules, which are active anyway.
As such it's an additional variable limitation which creates work and chaos compared to the always-active and clear to understand forum rules.
Very useless in my opinion.
Even more as there are two easy to use options which already supply this sort of freedom for individual users:
The element Zooville chat, which allows creation and maintaining of individual channels. Including kicks, bans and invites, which relays the individual work to the channel owner or users which were given those rights by him.
And the groups, which seem (I am not in one, so I can not verify) to allow the invitation and exclusion through the creator as well.
I have no idea why there would be a reason to include this individual right management for users (even as OPs) in the forum, if there are already two ways which allow even the creation of wonderful echo chambers .. if wished for. Universal rules still apply.
This whole ordeal reminds me of dealing with that one little prick in school that is always disruptive and questioning the teachers every word, just wasting everyone’s time and life. Why do we cater so much to these attention seeking idiots? They have been explained the rules multiple times, yet they still waste everyone’s time arguing their own self centred point.
My class wasted a good week out of an 8 week course dealing with incompetent losers like this. I swear they argue everything just so people will pay attention to their pathetic self.
Why must the masses suffer just because of one idiot that can’t see the light? I’m talking to you especially @pes. I know you deal with a lot on this forum, and putting up with this clown is just taking you away from doing better things. Maybe don’t flat out banish them, but I think a good time out away from the other people might be a good start. The world is far to lenient. I see many complaints about the prison and legal systems being too laid back, and this is the same thing right here. Keep being tolerant of it, it will only get worse.
My class wasted a good week out of an 8 week course dealing with incompetent losers like this. I swear they argue everything just so people will pay attention to their pathetic self.
Why must the masses suffer just because of one idiot that can’t see the light? I’m talking to you especially @pes. I know you deal with a lot on this forum, and putting up with this clown is just taking you away from doing better things. Maybe don’t flat out banish them, but I think a good time out away from the other people might be a good start. The world is far to lenient. I see many complaints about the prison and legal systems being too laid back, and this is the same thing right here. Keep being tolerant of it, it will only get worse.
I'm still waiting for ZT to pop in, lock the thread, and post a 2012 era rage comic meme basically stating "ain't happening chief." ?
YanchaOkami
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
That's a quite realistic outcome.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Yep, precisely. I suspect he's enjoying the roast "quietly" before dropping the hammer.
this person just does not quit ?
Read my mind.
Theunis323
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
No!...
Very much the expected outcome since the beginning.
This thread exists for a couple of reasons:
1. I wanted to demonstrate how to effectively ask for a change.
Instead of writing 10 pages of emotional paragraphs about chromosomes in the dumpster fire and dancing around some issue never properly defining it. I helped the OP clearly define the problem in two concise points without emotional outbursts.
2. Then I presented a way of formally asking the forum to do something.
Instead of complaining endlessly, you take a series of clear steps to get an answer that matters no matter whether the answer is positive or negative.
3. I wanted this to focus on the technical aspects of running a forum, not the emotional side of the trans community.
4. At the end of this thread there will be a definitive resolution to this problem coming from the only people who are authorized to make a change in the forum. And no further point in complaining about this particular issue.
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Kyurious14U
Zooville Settler
I was pleasantly surprised that you took the time to walk me through this. I dont pretend to know how a forum structure "back office" is structured nor how it is maintained/operated on a daily basis. It seems that allowing the OP more control would be a progressive step forward, but I can now see where that would have been a complete mess. Also, any change to the rules from the standpoint of maintenance/operation should only be to lessen the load on the mods and admins not creating more time and effort to be allocated. I do appreciate the opportunity to walk through this procedure, I don't see how it would be an improvement and save mods time, rather cause more effort to be exerted and time expelled. This all started, because I replied to a thread that was on the forum link not one I went into subjective categories looking for. I made the mistake. Thanks !
Anonymoose001
Citizen of Zooville
Honestly I think we have humoured the single individual that got butt hurt long enough and this entire poll is a pointless waste of time. There is a trans section and that is where trans people are to post their content period end of story. If they don’t like it to fucking bad. Go find a trans forum where there are no rules and leave the rest of us the hell alone. You useless oxygen wasting delusional morons. You will never be what you pretend to be and how dare you get mad at us for calling you out on your bullshit because we are sick and tired of your constant crying over acceptance.
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