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JazzyPaws

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1- Risk: there is an inherent risk in meeting ANYONE online. On the internet I could be a busty 20 something blonde, or a 60 year old sailor with a wrinkly dick. You don't know until you meet me.

Which leads me to my main point, I could also be a person who is here to out, and ultimately get zoo's arrested. You just don't know. I could even be the police! There also a tie in that involves risk to our mates. You could injure them, intentionally or not, we don't know you. Getting caught could spell death for them.

Personal risks too, like losing your entire livelihood, spending time in prison, etc. When you desire to meet an owner you have to have an immense amount of respect for the chance they take on you.

2- Objectification: Sadly, what I've seen in this community, not limited to ZV, is that non-owners spamming for meets, also tend to have little respect for the animal, seeing it as just some fun they get to have.

You don't realize the time, effort, care, cost, and emotional investment we make with our mates. The thought of someone coming in to fuck my mate, and show him, or her, little to no respect is sickening. (This is an example, I personally do not share)

Not to mention those that don't understand that the animal has a say, and if they say no, tough luck buttercup. Or those that don't believe they need the owner's consent to even reach the point of getting the animal's, hint, you do, and attempting to circumvent that makes you vile, and unlikely to ever meet anyone. Setting aside the fact that you'll probably get hurt, I mean from the owner.

3- Being actually zoo: if all you wanna do is watch someone screw an animal, or screw them but not the animal, you're not a zoo, period. I don't care what your justification is, you need to, at the very least, have the desire or hope, to take that next step. You have to actually want to touch the animal intimately, to be actually a zoo.

Voyeurs are an even bigger risk, you have no experience nor do you want it, you got no skin in this game, which means us owners, are the only ones risking anything.

4- Sneaky Recording: Some people like to pull out their phones and record. I'm not gonna get wordy here, just read all the news articles of people caught, cause something got out, sometimes it's their fault, sometimes it's not. But this is another potential danger, we, as owners, have to weigh.

5- Conduct: your conduct on the forums is how some owners will vet potential "extras". Acting like a disgusting slut on the forums, does not help your case. There's nothing wrong with saying "oh that's hot" or getting a little slimy, on occasion, on porn boards, but if 80% of your posts make me wanna take a shower, I don't need to vet you in chat, you already did the work for me.

6- Respect: Firstly for our mate(s). You need to respect their mate(s), body language, stop and go signals.

Secondly for us, we let you into our home, at great risk to ourselves, to permit you an experience you are CERTAINLY not owed.

You're not entitled to our mates, we may permit you, and that commands a level of respect. And lastly, respect for the entire situation, and our privacy.

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At the end of the day, the only people that prevent you from meeting people, is often yourself. The internet is not this universal mask you can hide behind, more often than not, despite the anonymity, you've painted a picture of yourself, and in the very place you hope to meet someone, guess what, that's now your identity.

Conduct yourself with a level of respect. If all you came here for was porn, well, there's more than enough to get your rocks off, and you won't ever need to worry about this.

But if you're here to meet people, remember, how you act here is your identity to those you message on here. If you haven't got any luck, ask yourself why. Then ask, "Would you trust a person like you, with a mate you loved deeply, and would give it all to protect?"

Other Owners - Especially ones that do permit others, please share your reasons why you would cut a chat, not respond, or refuse to meet someone.
 
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There also a tie in that involves risk to our mates.
Quite honestly, I love my dog. His life is more important to me in this whole meeting randos off the internet than anything.
2- Objectification:
This is not just on the side of the non-owners. There are lots and lots of adverts of the "come fuck my dog if you have a hole between your legs" type. And I have no illusions about how this type of people treat animals.
But this is another potential danger, we, as owners, have to weigh.
I no longer allow even zoo friends to snap photos of my dog having fun. Because over time I learned that not everybody has the same strict data policy I have.
but if 80% of your posts make me wanna take a shower,
They probably were quite hot. :D
But this is something I have been saying all the time. Online people can only get an idea of what you are based on what and how you write.
Other Owners - Especially ones that do permit others, please share your reasons why you would cut a chat, not respond, or refuse to meet someone.
1. I always respond. Because I am a prick. :D Even when the conversation is dumb and will never go anywhere from the first post, I like having fun. :D So I troll a little, but just a little. :D It does not happen very often though. I am not a woman. :D
2. I do not like when the user is very quickly trying to get me to let them have sex with my dog (or watch me).
The first time I met someone IRL it took about two years to get to that point. (of daily contact over the net and quite a few common opinions) Do you really think you can build that amount of trust in 3 days and 5 messages?
 
1- Risk: there is an inherent risk in meeting ANYONE online. On the internet I could be a busty 20 something blonde, or a 60 year old sailor with a wrinkly dick. You don't know until you meet me.

Which leads me to my main point, I could also be a person who is here to out, and ultimately get zoo's arrested. You just don't know. I could even be the police! There also a tie in that involves risk to our mates. You could injure them, intentionally or not, we don't know you. Getting caught could spell death for them.

Personal risks too, like losing your entire livelihood, spending time in prison, etc. When you desire to meet an owner you have to have an immense amount of respect for the chance they take on you.

2- Objectification: Sadly, what I've seen in this community, not limited to ZV, is that non-owners spamming for meets, also tend to have little respect for the animal, seeing it as just some fun they get to have.

You don't realize the time, effort, care, cost, and emotional investment we make with our mates. The thought of someone coming in to fuck my mate, and show him, or her, little to no respect is sickening. (This is an example, I personally do not share)

Not to mention those that don't understand that the animal has a say, and if they say no, tough luck buttercup. Or those that don't believe they need the owner's consent to even reach the point of getting the animal's, hint, you do, and attempting to circumvent that makes you vile, and unlikely to ever meet anyone. Setting aside the fact that you'll probably get hurt, I mean from the owner.

3- Being actually zoo: if all you wanna do is watch someone screw an animal, or screw them but not the animal, you're not a zoo, period. I don't care what your justification is, you need to, at the very least, have the desire or hope, to take that next step. You have to actually want to touch the animal intimately, to be actually a zoo.

Voyeurs are an even bigger risk, you have no experience nor do you want it, you got no skin in this game, which means us owners, are the only ones risking anything.

4- Sneaky Recording: Some people like to pull out their phones and record. I'm not gonna get wordy here, just read all the news articles of people caught, cause something got out, sometimes it's their fault, sometimes it's not. But this is another potential danger, we, as owners, have to weigh.

5- Conduct: your conduct on the forums is how some owners will vet potential "extras". Acting like a disgusting slut on the forums, does not help your case. There's nothing wrong with saying "oh that's hot" or getting a little slimy, on occasion, on porn boards, but if 80% of your posts make me wanna take a shower, I don't need to vet you in chat, you already did the work for me.

6- Respect: Firstly for our mate(s). You need to respect their mate(s), body language, stop and go signals.

Secondly for us, we let you into our home, at great risk to ourselves, to permit you an experience you are CERTAINLY not owed.

You're not entitled to our mates, we may permit you, and that commands a level of respect. And lastly, respect for the entire situation, and our privacy.

----------

At the end of the day, the only people that prevent you from meeting people, is often yourself. The internet is not this universal mask you can hide behind, more often than not, despite the anonymity, you've painted a picture of yourself, and in the very place you hope to meet someone, guess what, that's now your identity.

Conduct yourself with a level of respect. If all you came here for was porn, well, there's more than enough to get your rocks off, and you won't ever need to worry about this.

But if you're here to meet people, remember, how you act here is your identity to those you message on here. If you haven't got any luck, ask yourself why. Then ask, "Would you trust a person like you, with a mate you loved deeply, and would give it all to protect?"

Other Owners - Especially ones that do permit others, please share your reasons why you would cut a chat, not respond, or refuse to meet someone.
Such an excellent summary of reasons not to chat, some I hadn’t thought of myself.
 
Makes sense to me.

I was fortunate enough to have a few meets through the old BF site, for which I am eternally grateful. Strangers allowing me into their homes after only talking on a website.
The thought of walking into a trap, was I being followed, secretly filmed whilst having sex, who’s that other guy in the room watching, it was overwhelming.
I only have semi contact with one of those people now and the conversation doesn’t revolve around bonking dogs (although that’s why we first met).

When I worked with horses (30 years) I treated them as my own and literally gave blood, sweat and tears for them. And only through building that bond with them, learning to understand their individual body language and signals was I able to engage in that way with them.
I was fiercely territorial over my corner of the yard and if the guests my owners invited didn’t meet the standard I’d let them bloody know it. You leave it as you found it or you don’t come again.
I cannot imagine sharing my own animal with a stranger in a sexual way after, as stated, a few messages over a few days.

Unfortunately, I don’t have time for my own dog as it’s a full time commitment and wouldn’t be fair to leave it at home for 12 hours a day.
Maybe one day.
Until then, I remain grateful to those who allowed me the privilege and shared theirs with me.
 
It's harder to find chat spaces. Discord? Cracked down. Kik? dead. Telegram? Only porn.
Anything else is obscure and kept under lock and key via invites and whatever.
I don't want porn, or some super duper exclusive club. Just to chat with fellow zoos without so much hassle. Talk about dreams, love and lovers, what we're doing today and will do tommorow, etc...
 
What about beast chat?
Sometimes its quiet in the chat. But usually depends on the time of day. Over time before registration was closed off it's been filled with people signing up and then never coming back, and most of them were just trying to find someone or just leaving if the chat isn't flaming with messages. I'm having a feeling the process is almost the same now when giving out tokens. I know I take several weeks to get to everyone, but I like to build up enough to send a bulk of tokens out so its not just sending one at a time.
May be I should advertise there's video and audio chats. But I leave that for the members to see.
 
Talk about dreams, love and lovers, what we're doing today and will do tommorow, etc...

That's about all I talk about in PMs. My farm this, my animals that, my projects this, my plans that. What I'm working on today, yesterday, tomorrow. How to build this or fix that. Two pages of threads with users. I think people are sick of hearing from me by now! ?
 
Maybe hosting an official chat in an official window might help. A kink group I used to be part of held a live- chat Tuesdays 9-10 AM EST, and 9-10 PM, EST since they were an international group. Their chat was open 24/7 but having official times encouraged more people to try to get in there at one of those two times.

That's more work for moderation staff and maybe you folks don't want that. Just tossing out an idea I saw work well in another place.
Yeah! most forums have one even!
 
Maybe hosting an official chat in an official window might help. A kink group I used to be part of held a live- chat Tuesdays 9-10 AM EST, and 9-10 PM, EST since they were an international group. Their chat was open 24/7 but having official times encouraged more people to try to get in there at one of those two times.

That's more work for moderation staff and maybe you folks don't want that. Just tossing out an idea I saw work well in another place.

What would be great is a regular chat on topics pertaining to the zoo community. Maybe each chat has a topic focus. Idk, just adding to this.
 
Maybe hosting an official chat in an official window might help. A kink group I used to be part of held a live- chat Tuesdays 9-10 AM EST, and 9-10 PM, EST since they were an international group. Their chat was open 24/7 but having official times encouraged more people to try to get in there at one of those two times.

That's more work for moderation staff and maybe you folks don't want that. Just tossing out an idea I saw work well in another place.
Never thought of something like that. I'm guessing its just posting a notice about the sign up during those times?

What would be great is a regular chat on topics pertaining to the zoo community. Maybe each chat has a topic focus. Idk, just adding to this.
There is a few rooms for some topics. Although most are content. Our main room called the barn is just our general room. So its not set on a topic. But open to any discussion.
 
Never thought of something like that. I'm guessing its just posting a notice about the sign up during those times?


There is a few rooms for some topics. Although most are content. Our main room called the barn is just our general room. So its not set on a topic. But open to any discussion.

I believe more like a scheduled chat, like a room that open at a particular time for people to participate.
 
So much gold in this thread. I could respond 6 or 7 times. Hell, I just might! Let me start in defense of forums.

Perhaps my muzzle is greyer than I thought, but chat ain't all its cracked up to be. I wouldn't trade it for a good forum, and I hope I don't live to see forums die out if everyone goes chasing chat/IM in droves. I like our 'traditional' platforms like these boards and email to any modern IM. A letter was a thing worth waiting for -- and still is. Penpal'ing or posting on forums gives us pause, and the results are better when we take our time. Its a chance to sit down and think before speaking. Written communication, I feel, has always been superior to verbal communication (I lump chat/IM into verbal since they're so similar). Writing allows us to compose our thoughts, consider carefully what to say and how to say it. Draft and revise, revise again. Hone a paragraph til it best reflects what you were trying to get across. Produce something meaningful, contribute it, and its on the wall for all to benefit from. Won't be lost to the ether of a closed chat session or a shift in the room's discussion.

Ditto, post history is an important part of vetting, but its also fun all on its own. Discovering a new friend and learning about the person, taking time to read what they already put their time into writing, instead of having them trying to rehash it all in realtime on a chat. They've already written much of what we'd ask, so its on us to go read it. Turning the pages of post history is not unlike reading the collected works of an author to come away with a more complete understanding of the person behind the words.

None of that can be done with IM. Chat rooms, to me, always just seemed full of noise. Everyone's talking at once. All of us riding the waves of one mono-topic after another. Or we're going off in 'private chats' like we would be here in PMs anyway. Forums cleanly divide everything. Filter the noise, bring order to chaos. Innumerable threads organized by topic and its all longevous, searchable, with no rush to respond.

Now you kids mind the fence and stay off my lawn, hear?
 
1- Risk: there is an inherent risk in meeting ANYONE online. On the internet I could be a busty 20 something blonde, or a 60 year old sailor with a wrinkly dick. You don't know until you meet me.

Which leads me to my main point, I could also be a person who is here to out, and ultimately get zoo's arrested. You just don't know. I could even be the police! There also a tie in that involves risk to our mates. You could injure them, intentionally or not, we don't know you. Getting caught could spell death for them.

Personal risks too, like losing your entire livelihood, spending time in prison, etc. When you desire to meet an owner you have to have an immense amount of respect for the chance they take on you.

2- Objectification: Sadly, what I've seen in this community, not limited to ZV, is that non-owners spamming for meets, also tend to have little respect for the animal, seeing it as just some fun they get to have.

You don't realize the time, effort, care, cost, and emotional investment we make with our mates. The thought of someone coming in to fuck my mate, and show him, or her, little to no respect is sickening. (This is an example, I personally do not share)

Not to mention those that don't understand that the animal has a say, and if they say no, tough luck buttercup. Or those that don't believe they need the owner's consent to even reach the point of getting the animal's, hint, you do, and attempting to circumvent that makes you vile, and unlikely to ever meet anyone. Setting aside the fact that you'll probably get hurt, I mean from the owner.

3- Being actually zoo: if all you wanna do is watch someone screw an animal, or screw them but not the animal, you're not a zoo, period. I don't care what your justification is, you need to, at the very least, have the desire or hope, to take that next step. You have to actually want to touch the animal intimately, to be actually a zoo.

Voyeurs are an even bigger risk, you have no experience nor do you want it, you got no skin in this game, which means us owners, are the only ones risking anything.

4- Sneaky Recording: Some people like to pull out their phones and record. I'm not gonna get wordy here, just read all the news articles of people caught, cause something got out, sometimes it's their fault, sometimes it's not. But this is another potential danger, we, as owners, have to weigh.

5- Conduct: your conduct on the forums is how some owners will vet potential "extras". Acting like a disgusting slut on the forums, does not help your case. There's nothing wrong with saying "oh that's hot" or getting a little slimy, on occasion, on porn boards, but if 80% of your posts make me wanna take a shower, I don't need to vet you in chat, you already did the work for me.

6- Respect: Firstly for our mate(s). You need to respect their mate(s), body language, stop and go signals.

Secondly for us, we let you into our home, at great risk to ourselves, to permit you an experience you are CERTAINLY not owed.

You're not entitled to our mates, we may permit you, and that commands a level of respect. And lastly, respect for the entire situation, and our privacy.

----------

At the end of the day, the only people that prevent you from meeting people, is often yourself. The internet is not this universal mask you can hide behind, more often than not, despite the anonymity, you've painted a picture of yourself, and in the very place you hope to meet someone, guess what, that's now your identity.

Conduct yourself with a level of respect. If all you came here for was porn, well, there's more than enough to get your rocks off, and you won't ever need to worry about this.

But if you're here to meet people, remember, how you act here is your identity to those you message on here. If you haven't got any luck, ask yourself why. Then ask, "Would you trust a person like you, with a mate you loved deeply, and would give it all to protect?"

Other Owners - Especially ones that do permit others, please share your reasons why you would cut a chat, not respond, or refuse to meet someone.
I absolutely agree with all of this. I'm not in a position in life yet where I have the time, money, and commitment for a dog so I have to rely off of owners if I ever want my first chance. Growing up with dogs I completely understand an owners hesitation, if I'm ever given the chance, I will be eternally grateful for the opportunity.
 
1- Risk: there is an inherent risk in meeting ANYONE online. On the internet I could be a busty 20 something blonde, or a 60 year old sailor with a wrinkly dick. You don't know until you meet me.

Which leads me to my main point, I could also be a person who is here to out, and ultimately get zoo's arrested. You just don't know. I could even be the police! There also a tie in that involves risk to our mates. You could injure them, intentionally or not, we don't know you. Getting caught could spell death for them.

Personal risks too, like losing your entire livelihood, spending time in prison, etc. When you desire to meet an owner you have to have an immense amount of respect for the chance they take on you.

2- Objectification: Sadly, what I've seen in this community, not limited to ZV, is that non-owners spamming for meets, also tend to have little respect for the animal, seeing it as just some fun they get to have.

You don't realize the time, effort, care, cost, and emotional investment we make with our mates. The thought of someone coming in to fuck my mate, and show him, or her, little to no respect is sickening. (This is an example, I personally do not share)

Not to mention those that don't understand that the animal has a say, and if they say no, tough luck buttercup. Or those that don't believe they need the owner's consent to even reach the point of getting the animal's, hint, you do, and attempting to circumvent that makes you vile, and unlikely to ever meet anyone. Setting aside the fact that you'll probably get hurt, I mean from the owner.

3- Being actually zoo: if all you wanna do is watch someone screw an animal, or screw them but not the animal, you're not a zoo, period. I don't care what your justification is, you need to, at the very least, have the desire or hope, to take that next step. You have to actually want to touch the animal intimately, to be actually a zoo.

Voyeurs are an even bigger risk, you have no experience nor do you want it, you got no skin in this game, which means us owners, are the only ones risking anything.

4- Sneaky Recording: Some people like to pull out their phones and record. I'm not gonna get wordy here, just read all the news articles of people caught, cause something got out, sometimes it's their fault, sometimes it's not. But this is another potential danger, we, as owners, have to weigh.

5- Conduct: your conduct on the forums is how some owners will vet potential "extras". Acting like a disgusting slut on the forums, does not help your case. There's nothing wrong with saying "oh that's hot" or getting a little slimy, on occasion, on porn boards, but if 80% of your posts make me wanna take a shower, I don't need to vet you in chat, you already did the work for me.

6- Respect: Firstly for our mate(s). You need to respect their mate(s), body language, stop and go signals.

Secondly for us, we let you into our home, at great risk to ourselves, to permit you an experience you are CERTAINLY not owed.

You're not entitled to our mates, we may permit you, and that commands a level of respect. And lastly, respect for the entire situation, and our privacy.

----------

At the end of the day, the only people that prevent you from meeting people, is often yourself. The internet is not this universal mask you can hide behind, more often than not, despite the anonymity, you've painted a picture of yourself, and in the very place you hope to meet someone, guess what, that's now your identity.

Conduct yourself with a level of respect. If all you came here for was porn, well, there's more than enough to get your rocks off, and you won't ever need to worry about this.

But if you're here to meet people, remember, how you act here is your identity to those you message on here. If you haven't got any luck, ask yourself why. Then ask, "Would you trust a person like you, with a mate you loved deeply, and would give it all to protect?"

Other Owners - Especially ones that do permit others, please share your reasons why you would cut a chat, not respond, or refuse to meet someone.
That pretty much sums it up for sure. I cherish the experiences I have had because I was lucky enough to have a lover of my own. Should it never happen again? I would understand. If the opportunity does ever come up though, you best believe I would show the utmost respect for person and pup. :)
 
Funny....back in the BF days the same stuff happened, but the ladies would laugh the type right outta Dodge. That kind cant take being laughed at... so they leave....unfortunately....theres another one any minute.
 
You aint kiddin'....The boys all think theyre owed something....fools....they also think everything can happen in a half hour with commercials.....an hour, tops....Dopes
your so right there, i know only to well, from all the guys i turn down, they all think they have the right, really wish i could find some of the girls that used to come see me in the BF days
 
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