Northwestern Zoophilia Study & Survey - Phase 2
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Deleted member 36062
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Yeah, I didn't like it either. Too many questions about transgender and self identification. Not enough questions about zoo related content. It's like the survey cared less about your zoo desires, but instead wanted to know more if you get off on cross dressing or pretending to be a something else you were not.This was weird. First half was alright, but what the fuck is that getting aroused by thinking I'm something else someone else or myself. I never get aroused by thinking about what kind of a manly man I am. Ok I get aroused when I edit my own videos, but that's another thing
This is somekind of furrystuff I don't understand.
forumzoone and Zoo Community Forum and Zoo Writer's Guild (ZWG)
Where were the questions linking sexual desire towards animals to other life forming events (e.g. abuse, neglect, where you grew up, popularity growing up, etc.)
All this survey is going to do is link zoophilia to whether or not you are transgender or a furry or act like a dog in public.
I was hoping the zoo related questions would pick up again towards the end but it was an epic let down.
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And not once did the survey ask if you've actually had any sexual encounters with an animal and the specifics therein.
I would have thought that would have been in the top 5.
I would have thought that would have been in the top 5.
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Mickflare
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I believe that was the Trans and furry portion of the survey. Thats when things start to get unrealistic.This was weird. First half was alright, but what the fuck is that getting aroused by thinking I'm something else someone else or myself. I never get aroused by thinking about what kind of a manly man I am. Ok I get aroused when I edit my own videos, but that's another thing
This is somekind of furrystuff I don't understand.
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aqua
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The research specifically can't ask about real-life experiences for at least two reasons. If they asked about real experience that's a problem anywhere it's illegal because it will cause under-reporting by people worried about the consequences. Also the target audience changes, excluding zoophiles who can't or have not acted, and including people who experimented with animals but are not zoos. This is the same mistake Kinsey made in his study in the 1950s.
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I meant it purely as a metric, not necessarily a prerequisite. It could have been a yes/no/or skip question.
There may be some truth about it causing under reporting, especially given it is hosted by a university outside of this community.
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Tailo
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There are ways to mitigate the problem significantly.
Fiber
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Yes, a survey. That was my point, English is not my native language, so I hope I managed to understand and answer everything right.
There were some parts of the survey that I found not relevant or really weird. When I heard about the Study I thought it would be more centered on us as a Sexual Orientation and our relationship with out animal partners. But I felt it was trying to view zoo more as a fetish.
ADreamOfLiberty
ZooVille Philanthropist
How do they know if there is a correlation or not without asking the question?
Aphroditedreams
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Can’t wait for phase two! Anything to help the communication and understanding of this lifestyle
Aphroditedreams
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They are still animals usually just in cartoon form!
Vicky
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True but could be said about any erotic picture/ drawing/ painting that you like. the picture is just triggering your imagination well how it works for me. I dont think its unique to the zoo community. I'm no medical person so just trying to understand how they relate. maybe its just the taboo idea of non human sex like in space movie where some alien has sex with a woman. IDK ??
Thunder101
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Still getting access denied.
valleyyote
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Dang that was eye opening and very interesting. Thank you for that chance to be part of the bigger picture.
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And that is my point exactly. What benefit does it do to the zoo community and the world in general if the only conclusion of this survey is a correlation between zoophiles and whether they identify as transgender, are into cub-porn, furries, or pretend to be dogs in private?
I think the survey is only going to link zoophilia to other non-mainstream (dare I say, in the public's eye: deviant) sexual fetishes.
And if that was the sole purpose of the survey, then I'm disappointed.
I for one would have loved to have seen more effort put into to understanding the zoo community in general: understand our upbringings, where we are in life, how we were shaped growing up, how we view the world, treat others and want to be treated, etc.
And if so desired, delve into the depths of the sexual desires of zoophiles: focus on the what, why, and how we are attracted to animals, not whether we like to wear women's cloths or not. What value does that serve?
It's like the logic questions you see on standardized tests: "True or False: Some men are furries, some men are zoophiles, therefore, all furries are zoophiles" It's the same thing that happens in today's identity politics: you can't paint everything with a broad brush.
And don't get me wrong, I'm all for efforts that support understanding the zoo community especially when they are used to change the perception of zoophiles. We all are not monsters, sexual deviants that get off on raping animals, or so confused in life we don't think we are actually human. No we are just a collection of souls that are more honest with ourselves - what we want and how we feel. In some cases, we are more "human" - not running around trying to "fit in" or getting the approval of everyone everywhere. Sure, we might pretend to be someone else in public, to avoid the scrutinizing eye of non-conformity; but in private, we are truly ourselves. Our animal companions (for those of us who are fortunate to have them) are our best friends, our lovers, our entire world.
aqua
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I think you pretty much answered your own question here at the end. Not all the questions are relevant to all zoos, but all the questions are relevant to the study for comparative analysis. The survey needs a reference point somewhere. This research accomplishes that and does it while meeting the standards of NW's ethics board and having a good chance to survive peer review before publication. Few if any studies about zoophiles before this one have done this.
Thunder101
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Unfortunately, I use a VPN + Tor to browse Zooville. I try to be as secure online as possible when it comes to zoo stuff.
I wish there was some other way to get the survey to work.
Does anyone have screenshots of the survey? I would like to know what kinds of questions were asked.
ADreamOfLiberty
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Maybe they will misuse the information, maybe they won't; but there is a higher goal that you overlooked. The truth. If there is a correlation it won't go away just because you don't want it identified.
I don't know what questions they asked, it's almost certain there were good questions they didn't ask. There are also a couple other certainties:
1.) They will not learn why we are attracted to non-humans, were it so simple they would have figured it out for homosexuality.
2.) So long as zoosexuality is not seen a political point for a major party the ick factor and animal rights zealots will not be overcome by any study of any kind.
It doesn't hurt to participate, it might help; but don't get your hopes up and act like a big opportunity is being wasted.
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I generally don't argue here but I disagree entirely. I didn't overlook the truth. And I never stated I didn't want the correlation identified.
I am all for identifying correlations. The problem is, only a few correlations can be determined from the survey:
1. How many zoos are transgender (half of the survey questions focused on the this topic!)
2. How many zoos are furries
3. How many zoos are into cub-porn
4. How many zoos have reality detachment (very good questions actually)
5. What is the distribution of abuse/consent tolerance among zoos (another great set of questions - just not enough)
You said it yourself, you didn't participate, so why so eager to come the survey's front line of defense?
I took the survey because after I researched the author, I found out he has a habit of utilizing research to validate preconceived ideas. (He did this with his controversial study on homosexuality)
I think this survey helps to substantiate this - The author is mostly interested in validating his preconceived notion that zoophiles are either transgender or have reality detachment (actually pretend to act like animals). But I understand research needs to start from somewhere.
I think the only conclusion here is there will be people here that think the survey is a good thing no matter how it was engineered, and there will be people here, myself included, that think the author did a terrible job. Just because someone is a professor, doesn't make them smart.
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BlueBeard
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It *is* a good thing, no matter how it was engineered. Like all studies, it will spawn more. No one survey resolves its subject matter once and for all and renders it "closed." All the conclusions will be challenged. How the questions were worded, the implications of the answers. There will be spinoffs, and the more the better.
Research like this prompts further serious examination. This survey was not the end of anything -- it's a powerful move in the right direction.
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Deleted member 36062
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Now that I can get behind!
Hatezoophilia
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It takes two hours for me
TursiopsTruncatus
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So, I took the survey myself as well. Though I don't think all the questions applied to me, obviously, I think the majority of the questions were more or less fine. I would have liked an *I don't know* selection on some of the topics/questions though.
Often times when it comes to zoophilia and zoosexuality, it often is a part of our identity. And I fit some of the categories in there, and others, not at all. I don't know how useful it is or is not to try and show correlations or not, but I understand why most of the questions asked were asked. It would have been nice to go into a little more depth as to the hows and why's of our sexual identities with animals, but eh, it is what it is. May not be the best survey, but I don't think it's the worst at all.
Often times when it comes to zoophilia and zoosexuality, it often is a part of our identity. And I fit some of the categories in there, and others, not at all. I don't know how useful it is or is not to try and show correlations or not, but I understand why most of the questions asked were asked. It would have been nice to go into a little more depth as to the hows and why's of our sexual identities with animals, but eh, it is what it is. May not be the best survey, but I don't think it's the worst at all.
ashy
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They ask about "cartoon animals", but what I think they mean is furry art. This should be further split into anthro and feral art. I wonder if they'll get strange responses from people who think they're talking about Loony Toons characters. It took me until seeing the multiple choice page which included dragons as an option before figuring it out.
I agree that the questions given are unlikely to give any detail about zoophilia as a sexual orientation or lifestyle. I think they're trying to see if any paraphilias correlate with zoophilia, and if a person's image of what kind of zoo they are makes any difference. The best thing you can do is answer honestly. If they get unexpected data back then they'll have to confront the possibility that their hypothesis (whatever it is) was incorrect.
ElJopende16
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I finished the survey in Brave browser. Some of the questions were a bit confusing, but everything I needed to understand those "unknown terms for me" was available on the internet. I wish they added a language and continental location too.
Bloodwolf
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It was odd to say the least. I’m not sure if there going to go into more details in another study eventually. But it may just be there way to link us to other already known “dare I say conditions” in order to best under stand the issue being looked at.
We are not really understood by much of the scientific community much do too being under ground for so long. It got a little uneasy when they started to bring up younger animals like they were trying to make a connection to pedos. I do however hope they post something in reference to there research here eventually.
We are not really understood by much of the scientific community much do too being under ground for so long. It got a little uneasy when they started to bring up younger animals like they were trying to make a connection to pedos. I do however hope they post something in reference to there research here eventually.
K9FurLife
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