I did a post on reddit defending Zoophilia, reinforcements would be appreciated.

[UR20Z]

well, I live in Brazil, and I did a test, asking other Brazilians online what they think about homosexuality; not a single person said that they think that it should be prohibited, no one said that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, and only a couple said that they wouldn't be friends with a gay person. Seems like acceptance for me?

Come on up north to America. Attitudes are a tad-bit different up here.

 

[Reconscope]

well, I live in Brazil, and I did a test, asking other Brazilians online what they think about homosexuality; not a single person said that they think that it should be prohibited, no one said that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, and only a couple said that they wouldn't be friends with a gay person. Seems like acceptance for me?

Hey I applaud you for trying to unite us. Really I do. These subjects you must be careful about since it takes 1 person to screw up 15 people.

 

[HorseLover117]

The lion doesn't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.

 

[Ruben]

CMV: There's nothing wrong with Zoophilia.
[…]
Premise 1: You can easily discern an animal felling pleasure from one suffering.
Premise 2: There's nothing wrong with giving pleasure to you and another being.
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Conclusion: Having sex with an animal, if he/she is showing pleasure, is ok.
[…]

The logic is flawed. You've given one argument that speaks for bestiality – it's possible to determine whether it's pleasurable for animals and giving pleasure is okay. That's alright. But your conclusion that there's nothing wrong with bestiality then doesn't follow. There could be hundreds of reasons against bestiality that your one argument for bestiality doesn't invalidate. For example, an animal could have a zoonosis that will make you severely ill or you could have something that will make the animal ill. Then it wouldn't be okay to engage in sex despite the pleasure.

Kudos for thinking about this, @Animal_Lover. And you will getter better at it, if you're open to learn from the responses you get.

 

[Animal_Lover]

The logic is flawed. You've given one argument that speaks for bestiality – it's possible to determine whether it's pleasurable for animals and giving pleasure is okay. That's alright. But your conclusion that there's nothing wrong with bestiality then doesn't follow. There could be hundreds of reasons against bestiality that your one argument for bestiality doesn't invalidate. For example, an animal could have a zoonosis that will make you severely ill or you could have something that will make the animal ill. Then it wouldn't be okay to engage in sex despite the pleasure.

Kudos for thinking about this, @Animal_Lover. And you will getter better at it, if you're open to learn from the responses you get.

Premise 1: You can easily discern an animal felling pleasure from one suffering.
Premise 2: There's nothing wrong with giving pleasure to you and another being.
Premise 3: This relation doesn't bring any long-term harm to neither

 

[UR20Z]

Premise 4, which, for the overwhelming majority, trumps *ANYTHING* you can possibly put forward: You're a sick pervert to even be THINKING about having sex an animal, and you should be beaten, jailed, killed, or beaten then jailed then killed, and the animal you've "contaminated" by having sex with it needs to be killed as the satan-spawn it must certainly be now that you've corrupted it.

You're forgetting a crucial factor here, dude. I'll grant, your intent is good, but there's a reality to be faced: In general, people don't approach this topic with anything that even smells a little like logic - it's almost pure "gut feeling", which can't be touched by any amount of rational consideration. It nullifies *ANY* possible justification you might offer, any logical thought, any rational consideration, anything other than the knee-jerk "You're a sick fuck! DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE!!!!" response.

There are a few exceptions, no doubt - There are exceptions to EVERYTHING. But I guarantee that if you were to walk up to a thousand total strangers and put forth the idea that sex with an animal is acceptable, what you're going to come away with will be the verbal equivalent (if not the physical actuality) of 995 punches to the face and/or kicks to your ass. Maybe even a bonus bullet-hole or three to help you on your way. That's what you're up against in the real world. The happy-happy-joy-joy little oasis of similar-thinking folks here at Zooville doesn't exist in the real world, and you'd be wise to figure that out real fast, before somebody actually DOES put a beatdown on you for being a disgusting piece of shit that thinks there's even a possibility that fucking Fido is the slightest bit acceptable.

 

[UR20Z]

I know, @Jewelry Fish - it ain't pleasant, but it IS reality, much as any of us might wish otherwise. And the sooner people realize that reality, the sooner they learn the value of "protective coloration" in keeping themselves and their critters alive and well.

 

[Ookami]

Actually if you asked 1000 people in person a large majority wouldn't be fundamentally opposed and open to arguments - real people aren't as bad as internet trolls. On the internet it's group psychology though and groups are only as intelligent as their stupidest member divided by the number of people. I did out myself in front of my whole class at school like 18 or 19 years ago and there was only one that was really opposed, most were just curious, the typical class clowns made some fun of me - but also offered to get me a dog XD

 

[Jewelry Fish]

Actually if you asked 1000 people in person a large majority wouldn't be fundamentally opposed and open to arguments - real people aren't as bad as internet trolls. On the internet it's group psychology though and groups are only as intelligent as their stupidest member divided by the number of people. I did out myself in front of my whole class at school like 18 or 19 years ago and there was only one that was really opposed, most were just curious, the typical class clowns made some fun of me - but also offered to get me a dog XD

Now I’m curious. How the fuck do you out yourself to your school?! Lmao.

 

[Ookami]

Eh - just the usual sex talk and I was like "Actually I'm only into dogs" - and then I had to answer questions for days XD Have to say that it was in Germany though.

 

[Jewelry Fish]

Eh - just the usual sex talk and I was like "Actually I'm only into dogs" - and then I had to answer questions for days XD Have to say that it was in Germany though.

Aaaah, that makes much more sense. Here in America, (at least where I live) you’d get your ass beat unless you covered it under the guise of comedy. Are attitudes towards bestiality more chill in Germany or are things still relatively taboo?

 

[Ookami]

I'd say rather chill. Didn't do any mass outings like at school recently, but for example told some people at work in my job before the last. For example was having a few more drinks with the HR guy before christmas and told him my last sex was with a hunter... his lab and his stallion XD At that time that wasn't even long ago. Now I can still say the same but it has been years -.-
Not everyone reacts positive, but unless you talk to street scum (Well - usually don't want to talk badly about underprivileged people, but to be true that's where you are most likely to find people who can't control violent impulses) you can be pretty sure there won't be a violent reaction.

 

[Rottynme]

did you made a couple of people change their minds on Zoophilia? If you did, it was worth it.

We'll never change the minds of the entire population of the world. All we need to do is spread the word period. People who know nothing will get the truth from us first rather than the anti's. Judging by what i've learned in my town it does have an effect. I also speak out in support of enforcing what anti's say but I let the public know where the real evil lies in our group and where to draw the line. Remove all laws all at once and you'll cause severe harm to a huge population of animals out there which i'm trying to stop. Conversely, relax a few laws for a part of the zoo community and you'll have better success at acheiving the goal of keeping animals safe from the worlds greatest predetor. MAN!

 

[Ruben]

Remove all laws all at once and you'll cause severe harm to a huge population of animals out there which i'm trying to stop. Conversely, relax a few laws for a part of the zoo community and you'll have better success at acheiving the goal of keeping animals safe from the worlds greatest predetor. MAN!

Laws should be universal, they should apply to everyone equally. So relaxing laws for zoophiles is a weird and futile goal. A more sensible goal would be to make harmless sexual acts legal for everyone, while keeping problematic acts illegal for everyone. That's how it is in Germany: forcing sex upon animals is illegal for everyone, having unforced sex with animals is legal for anyone.

 

[Rottynme]

Laws should be universal, they should apply to everyone equally. So relaxing laws for zoophiles is a weird and futile goal. A more sensible goal would be to make harmless sexual acts legal for everyone, while keeping problematic acts illegal for everyone. That's how it is in Germany: forcing sex upon animals is illegal for everyone, having unforced sex with animals is legal for anyone.

Totally agree. I just fear the worst because I don't agree with the behavior of some zoos. What they say is harmless many will disagree the damage to the animal will have already been done prior to making any charges/punishment

 

[Animal_Lover]

Premise 4, which, for the overwhelming majority, trumps *ANYTHING* you can possibly put forward: You're a sick pervert to even be THINKING about having sex an animal, and you should be beaten, jailed, killed, or beaten then jailed then killed, and the animal you've "contaminated" by having sex with it needs to be killed as the satan-spawn it must certainly be now that you've corrupted it.

You're forgetting a crucial factor here, dude. I'll grant, your intent is good, but there's a reality to be faced: In general, people don't approach this topic with anything that even smells a little like logic - it's almost pure "gut feeling", which can't be touched by any amount of rational consideration. It nullifies *ANY* possible justification you might offer, any logical thought, any rational consideration, anything other than the knee-jerk "You're a sick fuck! DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE!!!!" response.

There are a few exceptions, no doubt - There are exceptions to EVERYTHING. But I guarantee that if you were to walk up to a thousand total strangers and put forth the idea that sex with an animal is acceptable, what you're going to come away with will be the verbal equivalent (if not the physical actuality) of 995 punches to the face and/or kicks to your ass. Maybe even a bonus bullet-hole or three to help you on your way. That's what you're up against in the real world. The happy-happy-joy-joy little oasis of similar-thinking folks here at Zooville doesn't exist in the real world, and you'd be wise to figure that out real fast, before somebody actually DOES put a beatdown on you for being a disgusting piece of shit that thinks there's even a possibility that fucking Fido is the slightest bit acceptable.

Looks like you've been debating about zoophilia with regular people on regular media. Of course no one is going to listen to you, you're talking with people who didn't learn to be rational. You must debate about this subject on places likes r/ChangeMyView or r/Philosophy, not r/Anime