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Has anyone here ever successfully 'seduced' someone non-zoo into experimenting with zoo before?

nekdoneco123 said:
the op isn't asking about fantasies tho...

surprisingly, negative outcomes are a thing... and not that rare in our "lifestyle". making someone do something they might really not want to do themselves under normal circumstances (especially to someone you are supposed to care about) is a pretty terrible thing to do. and for what? you get to jerk off to a live porn?

it is pretty save to assume that ppl really curious about doing something zoo-ey will make it happen on their own terms... and trying to "make zoos" is something that goes against the zeta principles (a set of principles i firmly believe "we" all should adhere to if we ever want to be viewed as a coherent group of ppl/community)
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Does the title state "has anyone ever forced a non zoo into zoo experiences?"... I believe you are reading people wrong here. But if you wanna keep a negative view on something you are totally misunderstanding.... by all means go for it and dont forget to put out your standards on how you believe people should conduct themselves.

LMAO "zeta principles" that is funny.

The thing about negative pushy people is they only see wrong and white knight around to feed their own ego with "moral superiority"
 
Mickflare said:
Does the title state "has anyone ever forced a non zoo into zoo experiences?"... I believe you are reading people wrong here. But if you wanna keep a negative view on something you are totally misunderstanding.... by all means go for it and dont forget to put out your standards on how you believe people should conduct themselves.
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look, all i'm trying to advocate here is to let ppl explore their desires/curiosities themselves. if you read it as me being "negative pushy person" then i don't know what to tell you.
Mickflare said:
LMAO "zeta principles" that is funny.
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care to elaborate on that?
Mickflare said:
The thing about negative pushy people is they only see wrong and white knight around to feed their own ego with "moral superiority"
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you mean what you're doing?
 
Mickflare said:
My ex claimed to be strongly against zoo stuff. But i got her to open up and admit some petting when she was younger. then she wanted to try with her dog. But he was fixed young... The cuties tiny boner on a medium dog XD
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Ooh - I would love to hear all about it! :D

Mickflare said:
Unfortunately some people only subscribe to the negative outcomes of situations vs positive ones. Or they are always seeing victims everywhere... If we live life by fear of negative outcomes, then we live no life at all.

Ignore and move on i say!
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Tell me about it?!? I agree 100%:cool:
 
nekdoneco123 said:
the op isn't asking about fantasies tho...

surprisingly, negative outcomes are a thing... and not that rare in our "lifestyle". making someone do something they might really not want to do themselves under normal circumstances (especially to someone you are supposed to care about) is a pretty terrible thing to do. and for what? you get to jerk off to a live porn?

it is pretty save to assume that ppl really curious about doing something zoo-ey will make it happen on their own terms... and trying to "make zoos" is something that goes against the zeta principles (a set of principles i firmly believe "we" all should adhere to if we ever want to be viewed as a coherent group of ppl/community)
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We are talking about consenting adults here! This is no different to consensual adult incest - which is another of my biggest kinks.
One can only make the suggestion, it is up to the other party to process the info and act according to their own freewill. It's the sexual version of a sales pitch - there will always be buyer's remorse if the 'product' fails to meet expectations... But what if it doesn't, which is much more likely when consent has been given? What is the problem with helping someone else to 'broaden their horizons' of their own freewill? :unsure:
 
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FenrisXiii said:
I can understand a lot of people having a negative reaction to this topic, but I actually think this is fine. This doesn't hit me the same way that grooming, or coercion does. I think the difference to me is the honesty of the approach. Like, I don't see a problem with bribing a person to try a kind of sex they wouldn't try, otherwise. What often bothers me is when people abuse positions of power or trust (like a spouse) to get people to do things they aren't comfortable with, but this isn't really like that, at all. I'm fine with people "tempting" people. Lol. They can just say no.
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Thanks for your input and I fully agree! I have zero interest in inducing a person to do something they have serious misgivings over. I'm only interested in being the 'kink whisperer'! ;)
As for bribing people, this is no different to the way more common 'gay for pay' and I reckon it would be far easier to bribe a guy into trying a mare's pussy for the first time (or have the dog give him a good lickjob), than it would be to convince him to plough another guy's backdoor!
 
FenrisXiii said:
In any case, I do agree that it's very erotic. Exhibitionism is a huge turn-on for me.
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Absolutely! Voyeurism and exhibitionism are major turn ons for me too - especially outdoor stuff and jerk circles (even better when one combines the two! :love: )
If I can convince a guy to go on a remote outdoor jerk circle with me, my next step would be to inspire him to feel curious about trying a mare's pussy, et.c., in an equally safe environment. I reckon it would be easier to do with the first level of trust already established. :cool:
 
Salacious Wolf said:
Thanks for your input and I fully agree! I have zero interest in inducing a person to do something they have serious misgivings over. I'm only interested in being the 'kink whisperer'! ;)
As for bribing people, this is no different to the way more common 'gay for pay' and I reckon it would be far easier to bribe a guy into trying a mare's pussy for the first time (or have the dog give him a good lickjob), than it would be to convince him to plough another guy's backdoor!
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then you're very clearly delusional if you think most "regular" ppl would rather fuck an animal instead of another human.... guess it also explains the very existence of this thread. i rest my case.
 
nekdoneco123 said:
then you're very clearly delusional if you think most "regular" ppl would rather fuck an animal instead of another human.... guess it also explains the very existence of this thread. i rest my case.
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Your reading comprehension is very clearly delusional! I presume you have no idea how common bestiality is in developing countries lacking significant law enforcement.
"Obviously" most people would rather fuck another human of the opposite sex! That is why an animal's vagina would be a preferable choice to a straight male than another man's hole! Plus in certain circumstances it's more convenient than taking advantage of one's gay friend - and there is no danger the other party will gossip about it
 
Salacious Wolf said:
Your reading comprehension is very clearly delusional! I presume you have no idea how common bestiality is in developing countries lacking significant law enforcement.
"Obviously" most people would rather fuck another human of the opposite sex! That is why an animal's vagina would be a preferable choice to a straight male than another man's hole! Plus in certain circumstances it's more convenient than taking advantage of one's gay friend - and there is no danger the other party will gossip about it
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yes, bestiality is common everywhere and there are no laws against it or anything.. and we are not hated by default by most ppl. oh wait.
you seem to be dug in way too deep in your little kink hole if you can't understand that an average "normal" guy would never fuck an animal over another guy if given the choice. we wouldn't be here on a "secret" forum if they did find it as an okay thing to do, don't you think?
 
nekdoneco123 said:
yes, bestiality is common everywhere and there are no laws against it or anything.. and we are not hated by default by most ppl. oh wait.
you seem to be dug in way too deep in your little kink hole if you can't understand that an average "normal" guy would never fuck an animal over another guy if given the choice. we wouldn't be here on a "secret" forum if they did find it as an okay thing to do, don't you think?
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By your logic then, homosexuality was also mostly stopped by the magical power of 'laws' instead of being merely hidden like bestiality is.
Zoophiles need their secret forum for obvious reasons; but most people who practice bestiality aren't zoophiles and are just looking for a quick release with as few complications as possible. It's something that's pretty easy for dog owners and horse owners to hide where they have enough privacy.
Here's a passage courtesy of the Scientific American:
{ This emphasis on bestiality as a behavior rather than as a possible sexual orientation can probably be traced back to the seminal work of Alfred Kinsey. In his classic 1948 book with Wardell Pomeroy and Clyde Martin, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (W. B. Saunders), Kinsey reported that 50 percent of the population of American “farm-bred males” claimed to have had sexual contact with various other species, usually ungulates. Many of these people, said Kinsey, were ashamed of their early sexual experimentation with animals (most of these puerile encounters took place when the boys were between ten and twelve years of age), and so he advised clinicians to assure these now grown males that it was all part of being raised in a rural environment where females were scarce and premarital relations strictly forbidden. “To a considerable extent,” wrote Kinsey, “contacts with animals are substitutes for heterosexual relations with human females.” }
I've also had a number of people privately confess to me on Reddit about their zoo experiences, although they were not zoophiles. None of them were gay as far as I could tell and all of them got off from being licked by their dogs in their teens and early adulthood.
 
Salacious Wolf said:
By your logic then, homosexuality was also mostly stopped by the magical power of 'laws' instead of being merely hidden like bestiality is.
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i think i understand why you seemingly can't comprehend what i'm on about. you think homosexuality is in any way comparable to zoosexuality. i really wish it was... one day maybe. then it would probably be fine (to the general public i mean) to do what you're proposing to do. to "tempt" ppl into trying. to majority of ppl, having a sexual relations with animals is degrading/disgusting. if you don't believe me, hit up "bestiality as a fetish" subsection and look at the sheer amount of ppl there going "i wanna try animal, because it's so degrading/taboo"
 
Oh, I get that alright! Many of those types are into degrading their partners or watching them being degraded - which is definitely 'not' my kink!
It's a relatively recent phenomenon in certain Western cultures for bestiality to be expressly outlawed. Traditional societies didn't really used to have any serious hang-ups over it - it was mainly something done by lonely and bored (especially younger) males. It still is in nations without 'rule of law' or preachy anti-zoo laws.
I'm pretty sure there was more active legal homophobia than anti-bestiality until the last few decades or so.
I'm not even talking about enticing people to do something degrading, I'm primarily talking about enticing male friends into playing the active role while exploring their curiosity - doing the kinds of things sexually deprived farm boys do. Basically most of those types are using the animal as a living fleshlight and substitute for women.
I only believe in enticing those don't give any signs of obvious opposition... If they show any signs of curiosity, I don't see a problem with giving them a little more encouragement and letting them decide for themselves. :sneaky:
It doesn't matter what the majority of society may think about it, if the seduced person feels safe in the knowledge that they can get away with it undiscovered.
 
FenrisXiii said:
I think it depends. I've met people that think that homosexuality isn't any less immoral, or degrading than bestiality. And, I think it's fair to assume that some men might be more okay with fucking animal vagina than they would be with interacting with any kind of dick. This is the kind of thing that's going to very from person to person, and from culture to culture. There are actual people out there that think that men fucking animals is more acceptable than fucking other men. There are still places in the world where being gay is the least acceptable thing you can be. A lot of people feel like gays are a threat to society, whereas a lot of people just think zoophilia is weird, or gross. Zoophiles talk to each other in forums like this because bestiality is illegal in most places. But, I've met a fair number of people outside of places like this that didn't stigmatize bestiality/zoophilia, even if they weren't into it, themselves. Opinion are going to vary.
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I very much agree with this! I've definitely found people to be less repulsed by what lonely farmer lads (or curious teens) do with animal vaginas than even consensual gay sex. But 'gay zoo' is probably even more taboo again!
I'm also under the impression from all I've read and whom I've interacted with, that people are even more repulsed by consensual adult incest than they are by 'hetero-zoo' activities, which are seen as a lesser evil done by the lonely and desperate.
 
As a zoo I started young and it was more the fact I didn't cope with people well and I was mocked being called retarded ect. K9s were the only friends I had and it got sexual.. zoophilia is a desire a choice one chosen I would never temp someone that's just inhuman and cruel to ruin someone mentally just for a nut which is why I hate men
 
Tsgothgirl said:
As a zoo I started young and it was more the fact I didn't cope with people well and I was mocked being called retarded ect. K9s were the only friends I had and it got sexual.. zoophilia is a desire a choice one chosen I would never temp someone that's just inhuman and cruel to ruin someone mentally just for a nut which is why I hate men
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so you think only men are capable of this?
 
Miss_Rachel said:
"and it is a fantasy of mine to sort of help someone I know well and who is trusting of me to open the doors" - I have done this very recently, Seeker. But I would never openly make a suggestion, it came up in a convo and I just asked what she meant by what she just said. She was embarrassed but persisted.
I don't like or use the word "kink" either. In fact, that word is banned in this household!
I think Salacious Wolf means something other than "tempt". Please don't think I was being confrontational, I just think "tempting" is not the way to encourage interest. I don't think tempted implies curious, necessarily.
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Well said. I despise the word, "kink." I have no "kinks." I have things which turn me on a LOT, which some other people don't share.
 
Mickflare said:
Unfortunately some people only subscribe to the negative outcomes of situations vs positive ones. Or they are always seeing victims everywhere... If we live life by fear of negative outcomes, then we live no life at all.

Ignore and move on i say!
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Sorry, but the possible negative outcomes of everything we do, especially for the first time, must always, always be considered.
 
nekdoneco123 said:
yes, bestiality is common everywhere and there are no laws against it or anything.. and we are not hated by default by most ppl. oh wait.
you seem to be dug in way too deep in your little kink hole if you can't understand that an average "normal" guy would never fuck an animal over another guy if given the choice. we wouldn't be here on a "secret" forum if they did find it as an okay thing to do, don't you think?
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Bah, your signature made me super sad lol
 
Threads like this should not exist on any forum. Making "zoos" out of normal people is not a good idea and it should not be done and definitely not in the frequent cases when someone just wants to have his own personal porn dispenser.
 
From what I've seen over the years, at least as far as women are concerned it seems they most often times get into beast because they were "seduced" i.e. talked into it by a boyfriend, husband or random older kink "dom" they met on the internet. I find beast girls far more alluring when there is no guy factor involved, having discovered their beast lusts on their own
 
Sickboy96 said:
From what I've seen over the years, at least as far as women are concerned it seems they most often times get into beast because they were "seduced" i.e. talked into it by a boyfriend, husband or random older kink "dom" they met on the internet. I find beast girls far more alluring when there is no guy factor involved, having discovered their beast lusts on their own
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I would agree with that and I prefer to read their stories to be honest. I don't like when people are coerced into it at all!
 
pes said:
Threads like this should not exist on any forum. Making "zoos" out of normal people is not a good idea and it should not be done and definitely not in the frequent cases when someone just wants to have his own personal porn dispenser.
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Who is talking about converting "normal" people into zoos?!? I'm certainly not interested in doing the same!
I'm talking about encouraging others to experiment in the right circumstances - just like bi-curious, but this would be beast-curious. ;)
In particular, I would want to see what would happen if I could get a friend to be curious about mounting a mare, or receiving a lickjob.
I would tell them that I caught some farmhands mucking around like that on my farm (when I get one) and I didn't mind, provided they informed me first! Likewise, I'd tell the friend that they are free to experiment if they wish - so long as they tell me first so that I can help them try safely. ?
Basically this is what I'm on about... Not trying to convince anyone to change their orientation - just to experiment in a safe environment if they feel curious enough.
 
I've never actively attempted to seduce anyone into being aroused by zoo stuff. That being said, I tend to be very very open about my sexual interests (for better or for worse) and I've told everyone I've ever been with what I was into in the hopes that we shared a common forbidden kink. My most recent ex took it upon herself to go check out some zoo stuff after one of our dates and the next time I saw her she casually mentioned "oh hey, I think I may like one of your 'bad' kinks". Well it was zoo, of course, but she was mostly into the fact that some dogs have huge dicks lol.
 
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