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coming out of the closet

Rottynme said:
2020 ZooVille definition: Zoophile: A person whom forms emotional and romantic feelings for their animals. IE: John knew he was a zoophile when he first saw a mare.

Per that definition, what criminal act has been committed if a person fits that description?? answer: absolutely NONE!

Fact: I fit that definition.

Fact: I made it known to a group of people that I am a Zoophile and described myself per this definition.

So, in conclusion, if you do fall into the same category and you're in good standings with all around you I would say you have nothing to lose. I myself didn't do it to prove anything or make a point. I did it purely for my own mental health and as a result increased my happiness level. What does it matter if there possibly is no heaven after you die it life on earth is heaven?

On the other hand if you classify yourself as another definition where you're committing an illegal act and choose to go public? God help you. Apparently others may have tried that in the past and regretting doing it and blankly discourage others from doing the same regardless of what acts they partake in or how they live their lives.

Before we start throwing stones in glass houses we should have the common courtesy to ask for clarification first about how people are using the term ZOO. It's apparently short for: others.

Zoophile

Zoosexual

Watching porn with bestiality content

Purely self satisfaction without care for animals welfare

The list goes on

Just please use your heads people and don't put your job, family and 4 legged friends lives at risk just because you feel the need to let people know how you choose to live your life. Regardless what country you live in, your animal’s welfare should be your main goal. I know each their own but just be respectful of others. Mammalsexual, I apologize for arguing and causing possible hard feelings. This got a little heated for no reason. I feel bad about your past and I know it had to be hard to lose everything and start over. Peace!
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Haven't been able to access the forum for a few days, and until now I've been too busy with more important concerns to figure out why. Looks like the domain name got changed again...?

Anyways...

Uh...thanks for the apology? :unsure:

While I appreciate the lip service being made to mend fences, I am confused by the logic being presented by your post, and the intent behind it. It seems you're saying that if one self classifies himself as a Zoophile, if he has sex with an animal it is not a criminal act, yet anyone who has sex with an animal without "form(ing) emotional and romantic feelings for their animal" is a criminal? I suppose this makes you an exalted animal fucker?

This topic has been beaten to death over and over in countless other threads and forums and the whole debate is a pointless can of worms, but the fact remains that regardless of whether or not you "form emotional and romantic feelings" for your animals, in almost all states in this country it is illegal to have sex with an animal. And that is the most important thing that matters here.

Good luck explaining to the judge that, no, you're not a criminal because you love your four-legged lover.

And are you casting aspersions upon me by implication ( "On the other hand if you classify yourself as another definition where you're committing an illegal act and choose to go public? God help you. Apparently others may have tried that in the past and regretting doing it and blankly discourage others from doing the same regardless of what acts they partake in or how they live their lives")?

Or is it just blanket passive aggressive superiority to anybody who chooses to express the fairly common opinion that it's a bad idea to out oneself, regardless of whether you classify yourself Zoophile, Zoosexual, Bestialist- *whatever*- that you have sex with animals?

Then you end your post on a conciliatory note with an apology to me, and re-iterate concerns made by myself and others against outing themselves.

I'm honestly not trying to prolong the argument here-have soooo many better ways to spend my time-but I am confused by the contradiction and am left head scratching:unsure:

I wish you no ill will.

I am human and I'm imperfect by definition and make my share of mistakes, some of them quite stupid. But I am basically a decent, moral, caring person and stand on the side of logic and truth. I care deeply for the wellbeing of the people and animals in my life.

Sometimes I feel the need to call out bullshit when I see it. Not everyone will agree with me. That's fine. It's all part of a healthy debate. Toes will occasionally get stepped on in the process.

I make no apologies for that.
 
I think coming out is actually really dumb, its admitting to criminal acts, whilst your close ones may accept it now while you're on good terms, who knows for in future should you fall out. If it was legal, accepted and advocated for like lgbt is then coming out would be a thing, but its not. And frankly I don't feel the need to shove my sexuality down people's throats, nobody NEEDS to know what I do in my private sex life, I don't tell them other private things like how my shit was this morning, so why do I need to tell them this and admit to something illegal?
 
jellybean56 said:
I think coming out is actually really dumb, its admitting to criminal acts, whilst your close ones may accept it now while you're on good terms, who knows for in future should you fall out. If it was legal, accepted and advocated for like lgbt is then coming out would be a thing, but its not. And frankly I don't feel the need to shove my sexuality down people's throats, nobody NEEDS to know what I do in my private sex life, I don't tell them other private things like how my shit was this morning, so why do I need to tell them this and admit to something illegal?
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If people like you base their relationship with animals on sexual relationship stay in the dang closet. The majority of users of this site do exactly that. Have a mostly sexual relationship for self pleasure. It makes TOTAL sense to stay in the closet and more than proves my point about how people would perceive you as a human being. Mammalsexual thinks things like a zoo who is paralyzed from the waste down world be sent to jail just because he admits their a zoo. If he's paralyzed his sex life is Nothing!! Anyways, I'm convinced I don't belong on this site even though I've come across a few nice people. Farewell all!❤❤
 
Rottynme said:
If people like you base their relationship with animals on sexual relationship stay in the dang closet. The majority of users of this site do exactly that. Have a mostly sexual relationship for self pleasure. It makes TOTAL sense to stay in the closet and more than proves my point about how people would perceive you as a human being. Mammalsexual thinks things like a zoo who is paralyzed from the waste down world be sent to jail just because he admits their a zoo. If he's paralyzed his sex life is Nothing!! Anyways, I'm convinced I don't belong on this site even though I've come across a few nice people. Farewell all!❤❤
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Aww don’t go
 
I've at least learned to love and respect myself. How about you? The world isn't beautiful, therefore it is!!
 
Rottynme said:
If people like you base their relationship with animals on sexual relationship stay in the dang closet. The majority of users of this site do exactly that. Have a mostly sexual relationship for self pleasure. It makes TOTAL sense to stay in the closet and more than proves my point about how people would perceive you as a human being.
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Very much this. (y)
But it would be cool if some more of these people could see beyond their box and understand that those for whom an animal is a partner for life are in a different situation. It's about sharing what happens in the heart, not in bed.
 
Ruben said:
Very much this. (y)
But it would be cool if some more of these people could see beyond their box and understand that those for whom an animal is a partner for life are in a different situation. It's about sharing what happens in the heart, not in bed.
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Just wanted to leave with words of inspiration to any who ever think about going down the same road as me....
Way back when, when BF site was up and running, I NEEDED that place. I was unhappy with my life and not a soul to talk to about it. Years later, not so long ago , I learned to love myself and love people around me who accept who I am!! I don't NEED ZV, but I chose to be here and help those that are like I used to be. Lost and nowhere else to turn to. Thanks to all the nice people I've met on here and good luck. To all you haters??? F?!/%"%?
PEACE!❤❤❤
 
Ruben said:
Very much this. (y)
But it would be cool if some more of these people could see beyond their box and understand that those for whom an animal is a partner for life are in a different situation. It's about sharing what happens in the heart, not in bed.
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that's precisely why i'm trying to hide it as best as i can.. my partners mean far too much to me to just willy nilly risk them and their lives for nothing. ti hell with what "society" thinks of me.
 
nekdoneco123 said:
that's precisely why i'm trying to hide it as best as i can.. my partners mean far too much to me to just willy nilly risk them and their lives for nothing. ti hell with what "society" thinks of me.
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I don't give 2 shitz what society thinks of me. Like I said before, I did this for me and me only. F everyone else
 
nekdoneco123 said:
how could coming out possibly be "for you only"? coming out with anything is done to be validated and/or to get some form of approval from others by definition.
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You were saying???????

Definition of come out

intransitive verb
1a : to come into public view : make a public appearance a new magazine has come out
b : to become evident his pride came out in his refusal to accept help
2 : to declare oneself especially in public utterance came out in favor of the proposal
3 : to turn out in an outcome : end up everything came out all right
4 : to make a debut
5a : to openly declare one's sexual orientation or gender identity came out as bisexual decided to come out to her family
b : to openly declare something about oneself previously kept hidden —often used with asblew his cover and came out as a CIA agent— William Prochnau
 
Rottynme said:
You were saying???????

Definition of come out

intransitive verb
1a : to come into public view : make a public appearance a new magazine has come out
b : to become evident his pride came out in his refusal to accept help
2 : to declare oneself especially in public utterance came out in favor of the proposal
3 : to turn out in an outcome : end up everything came out all right
4 : to make a debut
5a : to openly declare one's sexual orientation or gender identity came out as bisexual decided to come out to her family
b : to openly declare something about oneself previously kept hidden —often used with asblew his cover and came out as a CIA agent— William Prochnau
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read into #5 a bit more. ie: the reasons why.. you don't do these for "you only"
 
The topic of "coming out" is interesting to me because I'm not personally a zoophile, but I've had three different IRL friends share that they are. The first friend who came out was actually the catalyst that got me to join this forum as a member, since we both had questions about zoophilia that neither of us could answer. I think, given the current climate, coming out to more than just one or two people is a very bad idea. I don't think things are going to change in that respect either. That said, I feel like having one or two people to talk about your interests with can be a huge weight off your shoulders, especially if you're not someone who really communicates well online. For the case of two of my friends, having someone who understands without exactly sharing those feelings was a huge step towards accepting themselves as they are.

I think the biggest takeaway is that people generally "come out" because they want acceptance, especially from the people they love. I would personally argue that while finding someone who accepts inter-species relationships can be immensely helpful, acceptance comes from within. Don't try to come out because you need validation. That's working backwards. If you're going to tell someone that you're a zoophile, do so because you trust them with that information and want them to know. Ultimately, there are arguments for or against coming out in multiple directions. I'm personally very glad that my friends came out to me, but, if I were a different person, the experience for both of us could have been extremely different. Safe is better than sorry with zoophilia. Use your head, make sure that people have to earn your trust, and stay vigilant.
 
Rottynme said:
If people like you base their relationship with animals on sexual relationship stay in the dang closet. The majority of users of this site do exactly that. Have a mostly sexual relationship for self pleasure. It makes TOTAL sense to stay in the closet and more than proves my point about how people would perceive you as a human being. Mammalsexual thinks things like a zoo who is paralyzed from the waste down world be sent to jail just because he admits their a zoo. If he's paralyzed his sex life is Nothing!! Anyways, I'm convinced I don't belong on this site even though I've come across a few nice people. Farewell all!❤❤
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I'm probably too late but if not then don't leave.

I can understand where you're coming from with all of this and I can tell you're a bit upset that you were misunderstood for the type of relationships you have in being a zoo and having others relate it to their style of relationship. However, you didn't directly mention that your relationships are non sexual. That being said, isn't it a little unfair for you to assume everyone else that does have a sexual relationship with their animal partner does it purely for self pleasure? I might have a sexual relationship but it's not based on sex or self pleasure. I enjoy seeing their pleasure. I love animals, and I love my dogs. Spending our lives together being as happy as possible is what it's based on. Not just sex. Just thought I'd let you know there's someone out there who values the relationship over sex (surely not the only one) although I'm afraid you won't believe me. I hope you do though, because if you don't it just proves everyone else right. I'm afraid you have a dislike for people who's relationship isn't exactly like yours, which is exactly the thing zoo's thinking about coming out have to fear. Even zoo's who don't have sexual relationships. Assumptions can be made. If you see this please don't take it as being argumentive, it's not meant to read that way. I just thought I'd share another viewpoint. Best wishes either way. ❤
 
Rottynme said:
To all you haters??? F?!/%"%
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You should look yourself in the mirror when making a comment like that.

You appear to be making blanket value judgments against many people on here who may sincerely love and care for their animal partners well being and indulge in consensual sex with them, but do not feel romantic feelings for them the way they might for a human partner. It's the same old tired argument "Zoophile VS Bestialist".

TBH I find it a little precious for one to claim to be a platonic "romantic" zoophile, but alright, if someone wishes to identify as that, I'm adult enough to accept it at face value. Hard to tell if this is how you identify because I don't recall you ever clearly saying it, but this is what you imply.

Although I identify most strongly with the term Zoophile because I do feel strong romantic feelings for my animal partners (indeed the term "marefriend" is entirely appropriate for my equine lovers), and the romantic feelings I feel for her feed my sexual feelings for her and vice versa, I don't judge or feel superior to others on here who don't love their animal partners in the same way I do. I can understand that a person may have a mutually satisfying sexual relationship with an animal, treat it well and love and feel genuine affection for it as a pet, but may not be in love with it romantically.

Although the law says otherwise, I see nothing criminal in that relationship.

I think all these terms are bullshit really. I'm for freedom of choice and against zealotry of all kinds. These distinctions are counter productive to us as a collective. What matters in the end is how we treat our animal partners, whether we love them in a "romantic" sense, or just as pets.

Not to mention you seem to be putting yourself on a pedestal by loudly proclaiming your "Coming Out of the Closet".

Which, if by inference, means that you shared your "romantic" yet "platonic" form of Zoophilia with others in your social circle, there is very little risk involved in doing that.

Just saying man, and not hating.
 
Rottynme said:
If people like you base their relationship with animals on sexual relationship stay in the dang closet. The majority of users of this site do exactly that. Have a mostly sexual relationship for self pleasure. It makes TOTAL sense to stay in the closet and more than proves my point about how people would perceive you as a human being. Mammalsexual thinks things like a zoo who is paralyzed from the waste down world be sent to jail just because he admits their a zoo. If he's paralyzed his sex life is Nothing!! Anyways, I'm convinced I don't belong on this site even though I've come across a few nice people. Farewell all!❤❤
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I don't have that type of relationship with animals at all, you're a freak on the internet, you don't know me lol Bye!
 
jellybean56 said:
I think coming out is actually really dumb, its admitting to criminal acts, whilst your close ones may accept it now while you're on good terms, who knows for in future should you fall out. If it was legal, accepted and advocated for like lgbt is then coming out would be a thing, but its not. And frankly I don't feel the need to shove my sexuality down people's throats, nobody NEEDS to know what I do in my private sex life, I don't tell them other private things like how my shit was this morning, so why do I need to tell them this and admit to something illegal?
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Other than with a trusted spouse, this is the rule of thumb one should follow
 
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