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coming out of the closet

Maybe, but I have a lot less anxiety and stress in my life knowing there's nothing anyone can legally do because they have no proof that I've committed any crime. And so far nothing but good things have come of it my intention isn't to cause argument or make people jealous but give people hope. Sorry if I offended anyone?
 
Rottynme said:
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Nah, they will not be happy with anyone that isn't as bitter and defeatist as they are. It's not their fault they are like that, but you'd be beating a dead horse if you tried to fix them. No need to be sorry. You really did nothing wrong.

Doug Spink and his boyfriend actually won over an entire town. It was a very small town, very tiny population, named Harmony, Pennsylvania. Mr. Spink had already had some serious hardships for various reasons, but because anybody could find out easily that he was a zoophile, including any employer he tried to work for, because he was so notorious for that (even though some other stuff he had gotten into trouble for was really more serious, but that's another story), he actually had an opportunity to actually start talking to people very frankly about it, face-to-face, and he found out that most people, in person, are not really all that intimidating or hateful. All of the hate we get online is an illusion that is cast by the fact that trolls, by definition, are people that have nothing better to do and no other life. People that would rather go to a rock concert or help plant stuff at a community garden or help build a Habitat for Humanity house or do something else constructive are not like that.

The main kinds of people I would veer away from are people that are not habitually constructive with their energy. The less that destructive or idle people know about you, the better. The less they know about anything, the better.

I have had a lot better luck and much more understanding attitudes when talking to habitually constructive or artistic people.
 
SigmatoZeta said:
Nah, they will not be happy with anyone that isn't as bitter and defeatist as they are. It's not their fault they are like that, but you'd be beating a dead horse if you tried to fix them. No need to be sorry. You really did nothing wrong.

Doug Spink and his boyfriend actually won over an entire town. It was a very small town, very tiny population, named Harmony, Pennsylvania. Mr. Spink had already had some serious hardships for various reasons, but because anybody could find out easily that he was a zoophile, including any employer he tried to work for, because he was so notorious for that (even though some other stuff he had gotten into trouble for was really more serious, but that's another story), he actually had an opportunity to actually start talking to people very frankly about it, face-to-face, and he found out that most people, in person, are not really all that intimidating or hateful. All of the hate we get online is an illusion that is cast by the fact that trolls, by definition, are people that have nothing better to do and no other life. People that would rather go to a rock concert or help plant stuff at a community garden or help build a Habitat for Humanity house or do something else constructive are not like that.

The main kinds of people I would veer away from are people that are not habitually constructive with their energy. The less that destructive or idle people know about you, the better. The less they know about anything, the better.

I have had a lot better luck and much more understanding attitudes when talking to habitually constructive or artistic people.
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was he the guy who passed away just the other day?? My goal in life is not to change people's minds on here but out there where we're playing for points. ?
 
Rottynme said:
was he the guy who passed away just the other day?? My goal in life is not to change people's minds on here but out there where we're playing for points. ?
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He passed away about a year ago, actually, but he made a major contribution to getting the zooey community energized and optimistic again. He got some of the cool gray muzzles to come back, too.
 
SigmatoZeta said:
Nah, they will not be happy with anyone that isn't as bitter and defeatist as they are. It's not their fault they are like that, but you'd be beating a dead horse if you tried to fix them.
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I think SigmatoZeta's head is shoved so far up his ass he gets high off his own bullshit.

It's as if he considers anyone who isn't trying to be an idealistic "zoo activist" is just being "bitter and defeatist". Nobody here advising caution to the OP and others who are considering outing themselves to the public needs his "fixing".

I am actually a pretty optimistic person, and after 50 years of living on this planet and overcoming some serious adversity, I find myself in a pretty good place: I have a good job, I have a lovely marefriend whom I love dearly and loves me back. I am a fairly well adjusted zoo and have positive relationships with friends, family, and co-workers, am reasonably outgoing (my current job forces me to be assertive and outgoing in meeting and communicating with new people), and at age 50, I'm on the verge of achieving a lifegoal of homeownership, something I couldn't have dreamed of 15 years ago when I was homeless, ill, and at my lowest point, suicidal.

Should I put this all at risk in the name of "zoo activism"?

By nature I am a realist and a pragmatist. I do not live in SigmatoZeta's world of idealistic fantasy. I live in the real world, which as we all know, is often a very dark place. I offered my own real life, harrowing experience as a cautionary tale about the risks of outing oneself. I myself do not feel the need to shout from the rooftops that I fuck animals, nor do I feel the need to tell anyone, no matter how much I trust them, for that matter. I don't need external validation for my sexuality from anyone. I don't care if zoophilia and bestiality ever become accepted. Sure decriminalization would be nice, but not necessary for my happiness.

Bully for you if you want to play "zoo activist", but I for one don't see the value in it, particularly in these crazy times when radicalization and political polarization runs rampant.
 
Wow, sorry about your past. Even more sorry about your future. I'm no young than you bud and have a pretty good standing with the community. I have just as much to loss f not more than you "shouting on the rooftops I duck animals" ???? You think that's really what were doing??? Like they say, if you act guilty....you're probably guilty. I'm just saying I let close friends families know. I didn't post it on the front page of the newspaper! I have high respect for people like Stigmato. But you chummy I have none. Best of luck though!!
 
Rottynme said:
Wow, sorry about your past. Even more sorry about your future. I'm no young than you bud and have a pretty good standing with the community. I have just as much to loss f not more than you "shouting on the rooftops I duck animals" ???? You think that's really what were doing??? Like they say, if you act guilty....you're probably guilty. I'm just saying I let close friends families know. I didn't post it on the front page of the newspaper! I have high respect for people like Stigmato. But you chummy I have none. Best of luck though!!
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It's called sarcasm Rotty, and yes, idealists like Sigmato are not that far away from advocating for (sic) "shouting on the rooftops that I duck animals":rolleyes:

You really didn't read my posts very carefully did you? How am I acting guilty? What are you implying I may be guilty of?

I love my life, and the hardships I've gone through have only made me stronger and I'm a better person for having persevered and prospered. My past may have had it's share of darkness, but my future remains bright.

My life experiences have taught me that it's dangerous to let people know my true sexuality, and I advise caution to anyone who holds the naive notion that it's a good idea to come out as a zoo. I'm happy you feel it works for you, but as I wrote before, I don't need external validation from anyone regarding my sexuality. Which is my inkling why so many zoo's feel the urgent need to "out" themselves to somebody.

I hope for your sake your "close friends and family" keep your secret, but common sense and experience dictates that sooner or later somebody's gonna tell somebody else that you would rather not know.

Enjoy the free inadvertent like I gave you, I meant to hit the reply button but the like button got in the way!

TBH there wasn't anything for me to like there...?

Rainbows and Unicorns!??

Byeeeee!!!✋✋✋
 
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No. It was sarcasm. In case you forgot,we're the same age!!
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I am 37, and I was around when gay sex was still a felony in the state of North Carolina, technically, but we actually had active gay rights organizations in Raleigh and pride marches in Durham. The law was rarely enforced, partly because gay rights organizations had been busy building up better relations with society for decades: cops were very busy, and they had much better things to do than pester the queers.
 
By the way, @Rottynme, I am also an occasional voice on Zooier Than Thou. I was part of the January hangout, although I don't know how much of my content Toggs plans to use. It was our late celebration of New Years, so I was a little tipsy.
 
Rottynme said:
Wow, sorry about your past. Even more sorry about your future. I'm no young than you bud and have a pretty good standing with the community. I have just as much to loss f not more than you "shouting on the rooftops I duck animals" ???? You think that's really what were doing??? Like they say, if you act guilty....you're probably guilty. I'm just saying I let close friends families know. I didn't post it on the front page of the newspaper! I have high respect for people like Stigmato. But you chummy I have none. Best of luck though!!
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Here you go mammalsexual. I typed young but was supposed to be younger. Sorry. Most people are smart enough to figure out what I meant without someone explaining it to you.
 
mammalsexual said:
Sorry if I missed it, but where in any of your previous posts in this thread did you tell us your age? How could I forget something that was never told??
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See previous post. See. You actually need to read what other's write before you go flapping your gums. Cool?
 
Guys, guys, please can you at least try not to be so cold to each other, pretty please? ? It's at least second thread today with things escalating about so minor thing like someone not noticing some detail in conversation.

As for the topic itself - I applaud to everyone brave enough to come out, be it this, or be it being LGBT+. I am glad that things are working out for you and it's great that you could find some inner peace.
However for other people, who might be considering it - think twice (at least), if you are in safe enough circumstances. There were cases of people being socially excluded, but most importantly, it is sometimes happening that your animals could be (under some evidence) taken away. And they are not neceserely going to different home, it can end worse. I don't want to discourage people, coming out is great, especially if you really are a loving zoo, but... Just be safe, please.
 
I'm no young than you bud
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Sorry, I have this annoying habit of speaking and writing in complete and coherent sentences.

In this day and age of LOL, TBH, IIRC digital communication I guess that makes me something of an anomaly. I guess sometimes that means I have a hard time deciphering "internet-ese".

My advanced age rearing it's ugly head again ( *crotchety old man voice* "Hey you kids get off my lawn!")

Still don't see where you said that you were the same age as me (i.e. 50 years old). I guess I must be dumb. ?
 
This whole subject of coming out is tough nowadays...I have been through it...as I stated earlier.... At times I felt a lot of inner peace...but the rules now have changed...big time!!! When I came out it was 20 years ago and the state I did it was a misdemeanor.....where I moved to...it was not Illegal. Now it is Illegal everywhere....thanks to the ASPCA......an organization I supported for years, with regular contributions....I am sure many of you all have as well......we all wanted to help the animals from real abuse.....never saw it coming that they would come after us....even now I consider it incredible that these bad laws are upon us...sometimes we forget how quickly things have changed. It is not a matter of loosing the favor of friends or family...it is a matter of us loosing everything we have worked for....and ruin and legal battles and jail...I guess for that reason....I have no plans on telling anyone else about my desires or past private life. I do not have a mate anymore....but the desire is still there just like it always has been...it still hurts deep inside that I have to be secret and lie. I still mourn alone for my lost mare...a hurt that still comes up at times....can’t share my feelings about it with anyone. Becomes some people know....doesent mean they understand....I try not to think about all the bad laws out there...just try to live my life as quietly as possible...be myself in private.....and try to put my sex life in perspective as one small part of my life. Sometimes it is not easy....So glad to have all of you.
 
What happened here? All this arguing. Reminds me of the reasons I haven't told any of my family. Every situation is different and while I'm very happy to hear coming out has gone over well for some, I can be an example of someone it has not gone well for. So much so I have only come out to confirmed zoo friends. I had a family member catch me looking at zoo stuff and I was beat and just short of disowned for it. Wasn't even caught in any act of doing anything other than looking. I was the center of more dogs licking peanut butter off of me jokes than I can count, at gatherings of friends, family, even in public a few times. While everyone laughed and laughed I had to try to laugh too, while being stared at by that one family member who knew it wasn't so much of a joke. That torment inspired me to sell almost everything and leave. Moved across the country to hide my sexuality before I was exposed completely and lost relationships with friends and other family for reasons out of my control. To those considering coming out, I pray if you do it goes well and if it doesn't you can get through it. Think about what news like that can do to others, including your companions if things go bad. Honestly though, that move was the best decision I've ever made. People on this forum made it possible and I am forever in debt to them for it.
 
mammalsexual said:
Sorry, I have this annoying habit of speaking and writing in complete and coherent sentences.

In this day and age of LOL, TBH, IIRC digital communication I guess that makes me something of an anomaly. I guess sometimes that means I have a hard time deciphering "internet-ese".

My advanced age rearing it's ugly head again ( *crotchety old man voice* "Hey you kids get off my lawn!")

Still don't see where you said that you were the same age as me (i.e. 50 years old). I guess I must be dumb. ?
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It's called autocorrect. Maybe you can Google what that is. I typed younger and it put young. Doesn't take much brain power to figure that out. And the word is acronym you're talking about.
 
MishaCZ said:
Guys, guys, please can you at least try not to be so cold to each other, pretty please? ? It's at least second thread today with things escalating about so minor thing like someone not noticing some detail in conversation.

As for the topic itself - I applaud to everyone brave enough to come out, be it this, or be it being LGBT+. I am glad that things are working out for you and it's great that you could find some inner peace.
However for other people, who might be considering it - think twice (at least), if you are in safe enough circumstances. There were cases of people being socially excluded, but most importantly, it is sometimes happening that your animals could be (under some evidence) taken away. And they are not neceserely going to different home, it can end worse. I don't want to discourage people, coming out is great, especially if you really are a loving zoo, but... Just be safe, please.
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Aww leave them alone they’re enjoying themselves ? besides we have mods if it gets out of hand
 
To reiterate my original point: you out yourself at your own peril.

The consequences can be severe, including death.

I offer my own experience as an example.

I do not recommend it.

Because I don't want anyone to experience the trauma of what I went through, it upsets me tremendously to see so many threads on Zooville naively urging others to out themselves to "normies" as zoo. But as captain obvious pointed out, it's a free country. You do you Boo.

? and?
 
Thanks for your 2 cents I've never asked for. Each person's experiences are their own and my situation may be totally different than yours. If you've already been found out how is moving somewhere else a fix?? Anyway I won't say another word so if you're childish please respond
 
Rottynme said:
Thanks for your 2 cents I've never asked for. Each person's experiences are their own and my situation may be totally different than yours. If you've already been found out how is moving somewhere else a fix?? Anyway I won't say another word so if you're childish please respond
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My points are well made, and stand on their own merits. Nothing childish about my responses. Blunt? Yes. Real? Yes? Sarcastic? Occasionally, yes (in defense of a valid position).

Childish? No.
 
2020 ZooVille definition: Zoophile: A person whom forms emotional and romantic feelings for their animals. IE: John knew he was a zoophile when he first saw a mare.

Per that definition, what criminal act has been committed if a person fits that description?? answer: absolutely NONE!

Fact: I fit that definition.

Fact: I made it known to a group of people that I am a Zoophile and described myself per this definition.

So, in conclusion, if you do fall into the same category and you're in good standings with all around you I would say you have nothing to lose. I myself didn't do it to prove anything or make a point. I did it purely for my own mental health and as a result increased my happiness level. What does it matter if there possibly is no heaven after you die it life on earth is heaven?

On the other hand if you classify yourself as another definition where you're committing an illegal act and choose to go public? God help you. Apparently others may have tried that in the past and regretting doing it and blankly discourage others from doing the same regardless of what acts they partake in or how they live their lives.

Before we start throwing stones in glass houses we should have the common courtesy to ask for clarification first about how people are using the term ZOO. It's apparently short for: others.

Zoophile

Zoosexual

Watching porn with bestiality content

Purely self satisfaction without care for animals welfare

The list goes on

Just please use your heads people and don't put your job, family and 4 legged friends lives at risk just because you feel the need to let people know how you choose to live your life. Regardless what country you live in, your animal’s welfare should be your main goal. I know each their own but just be respectful of others. Mammalsexual, I apologize for arguing and causing possible hard feelings. This got a little heated for no reason. I feel bad about your past and I know it had to be hard to lose everything and start over. Peace!
 
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