@ZTHorse However, remember that BeastForum was vehemently anti-MAP for years, and it did nothing to convince anybody. It just drove off a lot of zoophiles that ran afoul of their excessive policies by being honest about their own histories.
If someone had a sexual experience with a dog when he was young, he is going to remember it more intensely than anything else that ever happened to him, and if you allow ANYBODY to post a "first experience" thread, then the first experiences you hear about are going to come in all possible different ages. No matter what age they were, they are going to remember it as a profoundly sexy experience. This does not mean that they are MAPs, but it means they were young and horny and remember liking it.
Back on BeastForum, the "first experience" threads, only slightly exaggerating, tended to go,
Bitchhumper: "Yes, when I turned eighteen and was thereby legally able to consent to sex, I gradually started to become interested in dog sex."
Dogsucker: "Indeed! Before I was 18, I always loved animals, but when I turned 18 and started growing interested in sex, I realized that I was also sexually attracted to dogs!"
Someone like me: "Wow, I thought I started late at 14!"
Bitchhumper: "Oh, that's really alarmingly early."
Someone like me: "Are you kidding? I know people that started at 8!"
Dogsucker: "You really are stupid to believe them! It's physically impossible for children to be sexual!"
Someone like me: "People develop at different rates. I mean I was late at 14 because I had a constitutional growth delay."
Bitchhumper: "I think that you are just a halfway retarded pedophile that just wants to come here and write kiddie-porn to stroke your dick to!"
Dogsucker: "And it's not even all that good!"
Someone like me: "Whoah, back off. I think that 14 is not all that early of an age. Like I said, I was late maturing, and I looked younger than my age at the time."
Bitchhumper: "Someone ban this creep."
Dogsucker: "He is making up total bullshit just so he can get his pedo rocks off on it! What a sicko! BOOOOOO!"
The point is, people like
@FF24 were running things at BeastForum, and people like me, who tended to speak very honestly but also tended to express unpopular or less widely known truths, were treated like creeps.
You end up with a bizarre paradox when someone is a combination of honest and knowledgeable:
Knowledgeable people can often run across little facts that are not widely known or even outright denied by most people in society. This in itself is a paradox because, the more knowledgeable you are, the less likely it is that your views on things will be a reflection of popular opinion.
I would give you the example of how I tend to have New Keynesian views on the relationship between the government and the economy but anarchist views on society. On the surface, it sounds contradictory, but as I have explained to you, my view is that anarchist social organizational strategies tend to be more likely to prosper under economically stable conditions. "Markets hate uncertainty." Well, likewise, uncertainty leads to people looking for a strong man to protect them from potential harm because that uncertainty makes them nervous and scared. Therefore, I am justified in the belief that economic stability is a friend of anarchism, and if I actually believe that New Keynesian economics would have that outcome, regardless of whether you agree with me or not about that fact, then my views really make logical sense when you stop and think about them, even though they sound almost lunatic on the surface.
Therefore, the fact that my views are based on a high level of knowledge does not necessarily make me sound credible to people that do not have the same level of knowledge. In fact, I have been accused of trolling based on the appearance that I am harboring superficially contradictory views, and I have even gotten banned occasionally for not making sense to shallow observers, although that was over the fact that I defended the liberal wing of Israeli politics and thereby made enemies of both the "Death to Israel, all people that support Israel are Islamophobic racists!" crowd and "Israel is the Holy Land where Jesus was born and belongs to the Chosen People!" crowd. Amazingly, you can have a perfectly factually supported view that is profoundly moderate and yet get treated like an buffoon if you are not waving the banner of one particular tribe.
When you mix that together with honesty, then where the less honest person, who is just as knowledgeable, might suppress opinions that are likely to be unpopular, the more honest person will openly contradict public opinion.
The LESS widely known fact is that some people really do become sexual when they are only 8 years old, and while this is alarmingly young, it's something that actually happens. It's called "precocious puberty," and it's often a sign of parental neglect because it can be spurred into motion as a stress reaction (cortisol, the "stress hormone," is really a steroid, and it can get metabolized into other steroids, so you end up with a lot of kids living under horrible conditions starting their sexual development early). In society at large, though, there is a widespread myth that this is somehow absolutely impossible, and if you contradict that almost universally believed myth, which almost everybody is convinced is scientifically demonstrated common sense fact, then a large number of people are going to be absolutely certain that you are just a pedophile that wants to write stroke material to jerk off to.
The irony is that someone that DID have a precocious puberty probably comes from a deprived background and therefore is at higher risk than most people of already having psychological problems. Therefore, getting met with abuse when they attempt to talk openly about their early experiences is just salt on the wounds.
Anyhow, what happened on BeastForum is that you could not possibly survive there if you were both a robustly knowledgeable and consummately honest personality type. You would get trolled down and eventually banned.
Consequentially, the zooey community came to be dominated by two different kinds of people: those who were profoundly ignorant and those who tended to be absolutely as phony as humanly possible and were not even slightly ashamed of it.
Is it any wonder that the zooey community fell apart?
Honest people tend to say unpopular or crazy-sounding things, and ones that tend to be attracted to esoteric knowledge tend to sound almost crazy half of the time. Even people that like them think that, half the time, they sound almost bonkers.
This is why communities that are hostile toward weirdos tend to attract a lot of worthless phonies.
Honest people are weird people. They often sound more bizarre than they actually are.
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