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Zoo's and the Trans Community (Discussion)

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I've had some zoo's, surprisingly, be very transphobic to me. I'm thankful to say that this hasn't happened here and I hope that it never does happen here to me or anyone else. You'd think that zoo's would be very kind and accepting, but unfortunately, it's not always the case.
So, I suppose my question is:
What is your opinion of the trans community?
How would you respond to someone you've known for some time being trans?
How would you respond to someone you don't know being trans?
Do you think trans people have a part in the zoo community?
 
I have no issue with trans people - just don't want to have sex with them.
 
I've had some zoo's, surprisingly, be very transphobic to me. I'm thankful to say that this hasn't happened here and I hope that it never does happen here to me or anyone else. You'd think that zoo's would be very kind and accepting, but unfortunately, it's not always the case.
So, I suppose my question is:
What is your opinion of the trans community?
How would you respond to someone you've known for some time being trans?
How would you respond to someone you don't know being trans?
Do you think trans people have a part in the zoo community?
I am trans and its been a mixed bag on here but no big problem
 
What is your opinion of the trans community?
How would you respond to someone you've known for some time being trans?
How would you respond to someone you don't know being trans?
Do you think trans people have a part in the zoo community?

1- i think that most people are really cool. like all groups, theres always a handful of people that like to be a pain in the ass, and not a good one lol. but its probably difficult to feel themselves out in the open. but people nowadays are much more accepting of trans people than they were before

2- wouldnt think anything different of them. definitely happy for them for going with what they feel and believe in.

3- well for someone i dont know, id just let them do their thing.

4- and everyone has a part in the zoo community as long as theyre coming in with good intentions and are down to earth people.
 
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1- i think that most people are really cool. like all groups, theres always a handful of people that like to be a pain in the ass, and not a good one lol. but its probably difficult to feel themselves out in the open. but people nowadays are much more accepting of trans people than they were before

2- wouldnt think anything different of them. definitely happy for them for going with what they feel and believe in.

3- well for someone i dont know, id just let them do their thing.

4- and everyone has a part in the zoo community as long as theyre coming in with good intentions and are down to earth people.
The best response <3 thank you
 
What is your opinion of the trans community?
I'm not qualified to answer this except to say that transgender people need all the support they can get.

How would you respond to someone you've known for some time being trans?
I would respond positively. Many of my friends are transgender. One of my exes is transgender.

How would you respond to someone you don't know being trans?
I would respect and validate the way they present themselves and judge their character independently of their gender identity.

Do you think trans people have a part in the zoo community?
Yes.
 
1. They should be treated equally across the board with the rights of all citizens.

2. The same way i've always treated them before or after.

3. The same way I treat every I don't know. A mutual respect.

4. They have the same place as everyone else equally in the zoo community. No more, no less.
 
I don't care about trans.
Just the same way I don't about male and female.
(well trans is just male or female too... "trans" is not a gender).

If I met a trans person, I'd just treat him or her normally. Nothing special. It's normal.
 
I feel that the transgender community has come a long way in drawing attention to their conditions, which are more serious than most people thought, and I think that their leadership has been nothing short of heroic in addressing this.

I think that the transgender community has been very successful at forming a strong and healthy alliance between their own community and the psychiatric profession, successfully winning their support in fostering safe and rightly guided transition. This alliance confirms my trust in most members of that occupation to be dedicated first and foremost to the pursuit of healing, and it has elevated that occupation in my esteem.

I know that transgender people can be any kinds of people, even...ironically...partly transphobic. I have met transgender people that were hateful toward non-transitioned transgender people, even though they had not really started transition, themselves, using the argument that someone that was anatomically one gender was somehow contemptible to have a desire to be seen as the opposite gender. I have known transgender people that were haughty and morally self-righteous, including toward zoophiles. I have also known transgender people that have been staunch friends and allies, not only to me personally but toward the zooey community, and I have been glad to listen to their stories of battling against prejudice and often violence in their day-to-day lives.

However, I do appreciate the fact that you have started this discussion, and I am glad to participate in it.

You ought to know that, just as there are many different kinds of people in the transgender community, there are also many different kinds of people in the zooey community. We have good people, bad people, and also many zoos that come from very conservative backgrounds. They did not choose to be zooey, and many of them would not have been if they had had any say in it. They can be just as transphobic as any of their relatives, unfortunately, and the more enlightened members of the zooey community are very hard-pressed to try to educate them on better manners. They are not our children, though, and they do not really answer to us. Many of them will ultimately have to learn certain difficult lessons on their own. I have run into members of the transgender community that hated zoophiles because they had known too many zoophiles that were deeply misogynistic and transphobic. It was not in my power to change their minds. Our enemies had been multiplied, and there was nothing that I could do about it.

I identify as a member of the broader transgender community. You could call me a "demi-man" if you like. That is the word that people are using, these days, to refer to the feelings that I describe. I think that the term "non-binary" just leads to people having an exaggerated idea of what that actually means about me. However, that only makes me a member of the transgender community in the broadest possible sense, and not every transgender person recognizes the broader transgender community as really being relevant. I do feel a strong sense of solidarity with transgender people, though. I come from a painfully heteronormative background, and being pressured to be something I was not just made me feel like an outsider and deeply alone. Ironically, I don't think that I ever would have noticed if I had come from a more progressive background. If I had grown up in a culture where many different kinds of people could have been regarded as "boys," then I would just have never thought about my gender very much at all.

I think that the need to discuss gender is at least partly a consequence of the fact that our culture has complicated all of the blessings of nature. It is a complicated discussion because of the fact that we have made it complicated. The process of unraveling a tangle is complicated because the tangle itself is complicated, and it was not simple just because it was yanked taut. It was really more complicated then. It is just more apparent how bad the tangle is when it is being unraveled. In the end, we will be better off when the work of unraveling it has been finished. When we are more capable of interacting peacefully with another person that attempts to be peaceful toward ourselves, then we will recognize more fully that it was worthwhile to put ourselves to the trouble.
 
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I really don't care what people choose to do with their bodies and lives. Trans people aren't hurting anyone, so I have no reason to dislike them, and definitely no reason to cause them harm. I will say, as a straight man, I wouldn't consider having a relationship with a trans woman though. I support your right to be you all day, every day, but I don't consider a man to be a woman or a woman to be a man just because they say they are.
 
Personally I have no issues with trans people. I know 4 trans people, it happens, it's not like is rare at this point because as it's becoming more accepted. I see them as people, and call them by their preferred genders. But understanding why it happens is also important too. If the information has not changed since the last time a read about it, it's all neurological. It's generally more present in people with a gray and white matter imbalance. So it's not like they chose to feel this way. For them, it's either live as the gender they were born as and feel unhappy. Or live as the gender they feel and live happier, but unfortunately live with ignorant people staring and judging them in public.

If you don't hurt anyone, then you do you.
 
I don't care about trans.
Just the same way I don't about male and female.
(well trans is just male or female too... "trans" is not a gender).

If I met a trans person, I'd just treat him or her normally. Nothing special. It's normal.
That's a very valid reaction!
Also, just as a sidenote, there are other genders than just male and female! And while trans is not a gender, non-binary in a sense is!
Thank you for your input!
 
I feel that the transgender community has come a long way in drawing attention to their conditions, which are more serious than most people thought, and I think that their leadership has been nothing short of heroic in addressing this.

I think that the transgender community has been very successful at forming a strong and healthy alliance between their own community and the psychiatric profession, successfully winning their support in fostering safe and rightly guided transition. This alliance confirms my trust in most members of that occupation to be dedicated first and foremost to the pursuit of healing, and it has elevated that occupation in my esteem.

I know that transgender people can be any kinds of people, even...ironically...partly transphobic. I have met transgender people that were hateful toward non-transitioned transgender people, even though they had not really started transition, themselves, using the argument that someone that was anatomically one gender was somehow contemptible to have a desire to be seen as the opposite gender. I have known transgender people that were haughty and morally self-righteous, including toward zoophiles. I have also known transgender people that have been staunch friends and allies, not only to me personally but toward the zooey community, and I have been glad to listen to their stories of battling against prejudice and often violence in their day-to-day lives.

However, I do appreciate the fact that you have started this discussion, and I am glad to participate in it.

You ought to know that, just as there are many different kinds of people in the transgender community, there are also many different kinds of people in the zooey community. We have good people, bad people, and also many zoos that come from very conservative backgrounds. They did not choose to be zooey, and many of them would not have been if they had had any say in it. They can be just as transphobic as any of their relatives, unfortunately, and the more enlightened members of the zooey community are very hard-pressed to try to educate them on better manners. They are not our children, though, and they do not really answer to us. Many of them will ultimately have to learn certain difficult lessons on their own. I have run into members of the transgender community that hated zoophiles because they had known too many zoophiles that were deeply misogynistic and transphobic. It was not in my power to change their minds. Our enemies had been multiplied, and there was nothing that I could do about it.

I identify as a member of the broader transgender community. You could call me a "demi-man" if you like. That is the word that people are using, these days, to refer to the feelings that I describe. I think that the term "non-binary" just leads to people having an exaggerated idea of what that actually means about me. However, that only makes me a member of the transgender community in the broadest possible sense, and not every transgender person recognizes the broader transgender community as really being relevant. I do feel a strong sense of solidarity with transgender people, though. I come from a painfully heteronormative background, and being pressured to be something I was not just made me feel like an outsider and deeply alone. Ironically, I don't think that I ever would have noticed if I had come from a more progressive background. If I had grown up in a culture where many different kinds of people could have been regarded as "boys," then I would just have never thought about my gender very much at all.

I think that the need to discuss gender is at least partly a consequence of the fact that our culture has complicated all of the blessings of nature. It is a complicated discussion because of the fact that we have made it complicated. The process of unraveling a tangle is complicated because the tangle itself is complicated, and it was not simple just because it was yanked taut. It was really more complicated then. It is just more apparent how bad the tangle is when it is being unraveled. In the end, we will be better off when the work of unraveling it has been finished. When we are more capable of interacting peacefully with another person that attempts to be peaceful toward ourselves, then we will recognize more fully that it was worthwhile to put ourselves to the trouble.
Thank you so much for this kind-hearted and truthful response! Groups have such a wide array of people in it. Luckily it seems like most transphobic/misogynistic zoo's have been silenced (or I just don't see them). I'm glad our community (zoo) is improving!
 
1. They should be treated equally across the board with the rights of all citizens.

2. The same way i've always treated them before or after.

3. The same way I treat every I don't know. A mutual respect.

4. They have the same place as everyone else equally in the zoo community. No more, no less.
I appreciate this!
 
My brother is going through this now. However, there have been a lot of underlying issues that have pushed him that direction. Of course, I am a Bi-Zoo so I can't really judge, but I think sometimes you follow a path to have a sense of belonging, or perhaps just fall into a pattern. That doesn't make it wrong, but I can't say I buy the "born this way" argument, simply because of how my experiences have shaped who I am.
 
My brother is going through this now. However, there have been a lot of underlying issues that have pushed him that direction. Of course, I am a Bi-Zoo so I can't really judge, but I think sometimes you follow a path to have a sense of belonging, or perhaps just fall into a pattern. That doesn't make it wrong, but I can't say I buy the "born this way" argument, simply because of how my experiences have shaped who I am.
I'll have to disagree. There have been observations made about people who're trans where the brain shape and pattern usually matches their cis-gendered counterparts. But I suppose we're all entitled to our own opinions as long as you respect the person, use their preferred names, and their preferred pronouns.
 
Why are people so obsessed with labels. Just get on and enjoy whatever you are into.
trans people are kind of focused on societal acceptance because a huge number of them end up murdered or disappeared. especially trans people of color

but yeah, I look forward to the day where it wont matter because they are accepted for who they are. we just arent there yet
 
so... trans people are fine as long as they act exactly how you want them to act and dont make waves or stand up for themselves?
 
so... trans people are fine as long as they act exactly how you want them to act and dont make waves or stand up for themselves?
As long as I'm not gender-bending or have a trans trying to have sex with me, I'm fine with them.

And just because I disagree with them on their gender doesn't mean they shouldn't have as much rights as everyone else does. (I actually don't want them to be discriminated against just because they feel like they're the opposite gender.)
 
If you recognize that trans people have trouble social oppression like zoos then you should cheer their efforts to stand up for their rights and to be recognized as a normal aprt of society, not tell them to sit down and shut up because other people have it bad too. this isnt a zero sum game. We can support each other
 
I dont think any trans person would or has said you should be forced to date someone you are not attracted too. I think what trans people are worried about and fighting against is 'trans panic', where someone learns a person is trans on the second date or whatever and assaults or murders them. that happened and continues to happen with gay people too.
 
I guess that was formulated a little falsley by me.

You have all the right to stand up for your right to be treated EQUAL. And every trans person has the right to express themselves freely.

It's just this small percentage of people in the LGBTQ community pushing their agenda way to aggressive. You have to know what i'm talking about.

These people say you have to accept a guy that is running around in female clothes. (Totally reasonable) but they don't stop there.
They push you to accept if he/she wants to date you and you would be bios and discriminative if you would decline such said offer.

They expect you to date a still anatomically male person, otherwise they concider you a person of hatred.

I mean come on... how fucked up is that?
Have you experienced this yourself?
 
Ive noticed a trend that most trans people Ive encountered tend to also be zoo's. Which makes sense. Being trans theyre bound to be more open minded about many things. I have no issue with them. Except socially in certain areas and on politics a lot of the time. Actually I think theyre pretty hot, especially the ones that have crossed "passable" and can hardly tell a difference. Like Chloe Salpa or Natalie Mars.
 
not sure why people have to take one experience of an individual hitting on them and make it out like it's this huge thing that's connected to an entire subset of people and their pursuit of recognition and rights in a hetero normative society full of bigots.

I don't hate all white people even though I've met dozens of racists, or all straights for generalizing trans and gay people in this exact way. I think it's kind of nuts for zoophiles of all people to feel this way towards lgbt people, or to accuse them of going too far... I am not trans and I do not feel that sort of dysphoria, but where is the empathy for others who are downtrodden throughout society in comparable ways?

furthermore, ladyboy and transvestite aren't kind terms.. nor is is it kind misgendering a transwoman with 'he' and 'him' . I don't think it's asking too much to point out that sort of thing either. even if they hit on you, I don't understand how that excuses the sort of invalidation that comes with misgendering. no disrespect, just my two cents.
 
well hey, I didn't mean to imply you were expressing hatred when there was no intent and whatever your friend is fine with, that is what's important. generalizing towards lgbt people just irks me, and that's really all I meant. I don't hit on straight people, yet I've heard it a dozen times implied that folks have no problem with someone who's gay 'as long as they don't hit on them', followed by an example or experience. it's irritating because yo, for the most part we all know cannot possibly get by with hitting on strangers. I can't even hit on my significant other in public for fear of backlash. that's the reality for most gays. even when you're openly gay or out if the closet..

and as for misgendering, there's nothing wrong with making a mistake. it doesn't have the same sort of malicious intent as calling someone a slur out of spite or hatred. but it's just courtesy to correct yourself if you misgender someone and to try to make an effort on behalf of that person to not do it again.. even when it comes to trans people I've disliked quite a bit, I've never invalidated their identity in such a way.. certainly not based off of their own individual personality flaws.

just like I'd never call someone a slur or disrespect their identity, be the color of their skin or their gender, based off of the individual's particular issues or whatever. a black person who does me wrong for instance, I would never call the n-word or try to sum up all black ppl in the future with said example. I just think it's something important to consider when we're talking about whole subsets of people that are routinely kept down by people less kind and thoughtful.
 
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