CritterFunatic
Citizen of Zooville
Legalizing by not criminalizing, I guess. It worked for Germany between 1975 and 2013, before new animal protection laws made it illegal again.
220licco
Tourist
I remember when it became illegal here, I was still in high school, history teacher always liked to talk about current stuff, local, state, national, and one day they were talking about new laws passed, and this was one of them. Very disappointing day for me. Especially because that teacher kept going on about how that shouldn't even need to be a law, and joking about creeps who shouldn't have pets.
There is a massive wave of anti-zoo bigotry and prejudice going through society right now. 20 years ago, there were many U.S. states where sex with animals was not illegal, and now there's almost none left.
As I've said before, killing / eating animals ought to be illegal, and sex with animals ought to be legal.
220licco
Tourist
It suprised me because this teacher was very accepting, and progressive, far more than I was at the time, we always got into stupid political arguments. I found it ironic that I actually disagreed with them on this topic, the spot they drew the line, I was on the other side of it. Obviously I said nothing in class but it definitely got me to glance up from my phone quickly.
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egoldstein
Guest
A lot of those states had sodomy laws, which covered bestiality as well as a host of other harmless sexual acts (oral, anal, homosexual, etc). When sodomy laws were struck down, there was a gap for a while, but it's not like it wasn't illegal before then.
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Tailo
Guest
Consensual sex with an animal is actually not illegal in Germany today, unless you do it publicly or with the intention of sharing recordings of it.
CritterFunatic
Citizen of Zooville
I just looked it up and you are right. I wasn't even aware of this distinction.
Maui69
Citizen of Zooville
It's legal where I live and yet I still keep my mouth shut. I told a few of my closest friends and they all left except for one.
My psychologist knows about my zoophilia because my dad told him about it (long story on how my dad knew) and to this day, he asks me from time to time if I'm still into bestiality. I lie to him saying that I'm not into bestiality nor looking at furry porn or the like, just regular porn and that I'm looking for a human female. I'm terrified of being locked up in a mental hospital again or have my dogs taken away from me for the second time. Jail is not an option here since it's not penalized nor can my psychologist open his mouth about it but he can ask for a re-hospitalization if he sees fit and have cops knock on my door to take me there.
CritterFunatic
Citizen of Zooville
Kinda heartbreaking to hear you have to lead kinda of a double life because of that.
Maui69
Citizen of Zooville
I used to vent in 4chan after BeastForum was taken down until Anon told me about this site ^.^
Maui69
Citizen of Zooville
I'm not sure, I was in there for attempted suicide when my mom took my dogs with police intervention and given that the main cause for the attempt was my relationship with one of those dogs, I wouldn't doubt if they put me in there again and take my current dogs away if they found out that I'm having a relationship with one of them again
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Tailo
Guest
Ah, I understand attempted suicide as a reason for being put into a mental hospital. That does happen here, too.
Hopefully this doesn't sound too sarcastic, because I really don't mean it to be … But if you don't want to go to a hospital anymore, I'd suggest not to try to commit suicide again or say anything in that direction. May I ask what exactly brought you into the situation where you attempted to kill yourself? Like, does the desire for dogs depress you and make you ashamed of yourself or is the reaction of others or the prospect of your dogs being taken away what made you desperate?
I ask because if neither you suffer from your feelings for dogs nor the dogs suffer from the attention you give them, then good psychologists should actually not try to cure anything there and instead concentrate on helping you to cope with what really gets you down. Living a lie and denying who you are, or trying to "cure" your actual self away, is not a path to mental health. (But I understand that hiding your true feelings may be the only viable path for a short time, especially if you are not in control of things in an environment that does not accept who you are.)
As a side note, if going into a hospital is inevitable, doing so voluntarily can have the nice side effect that you can also leave it voluntarily again soon, whereas when you are forced into it, it's usually not up to yourself anymore to decide when to leave it. But that is also something that may vary depending on your local laws and on your age.
Hopefully this doesn't sound too sarcastic, because I really don't mean it to be … But if you don't want to go to a hospital anymore, I'd suggest not to try to commit suicide again or say anything in that direction. May I ask what exactly brought you into the situation where you attempted to kill yourself? Like, does the desire for dogs depress you and make you ashamed of yourself or is the reaction of others or the prospect of your dogs being taken away what made you desperate?
I ask because if neither you suffer from your feelings for dogs nor the dogs suffer from the attention you give them, then good psychologists should actually not try to cure anything there and instead concentrate on helping you to cope with what really gets you down. Living a lie and denying who you are, or trying to "cure" your actual self away, is not a path to mental health. (But I understand that hiding your true feelings may be the only viable path for a short time, especially if you are not in control of things in an environment that does not accept who you are.)
As a side note, if going into a hospital is inevitable, doing so voluntarily can have the nice side effect that you can also leave it voluntarily again soon, whereas when you are forced into it, it's usually not up to yourself anymore to decide when to leave it. But that is also something that may vary depending on your local laws and on your age.
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Maui69
Citizen of Zooville
It happened because I had a fight with my mom. I had two dogs, a female and her daughter. I was in a relationship with the former and the daughter was practically my daughter because she was born two months months later when I lost my virginity to her (full story in the Stories section). In the fight, I tried to keep the issues to a minimum and just accepted everything she wanted thinking she would leave me alone. After giving in, she tells me that she's taking the dogs (Note that I was living alone for about 7 months or so). I said that she's out of her mind. A few days later, I had the federal police knock on my door with an order to take the dogs (My mom works with the federal police K9 unit) so they took them. I was hearbroken and lasted a few weeks. My family was no help at all, all they said was "they're dogs, you're better off without them", "they're just a burden for you, live your college student life", etc.
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Tailo
Guest
Thank you for sharing this. I understand how this must have broken your heart.
Years ago I fell in love with a dog in an animal shelter, who also really liked me a lot. The shelter had good facilities with ample space for the dogs where they could share rooms together, but this one dog was the only one they kept isolated from all the others and hesitated to give to visitors to take a walk with, because he was supposedly too aggressive. But when we had spend time together for a few days, his alleged aggressiveness had completely disappeared. He was sweet and he did nothing bad in my presence at all. It seems that he only needed someone who really liked him and gave him positive attention and movement. The shelter was surprised how he blossomed up and agreed that we would fit great together. I, too, wanted to share my life with him. Everything could have been nice ... But the shelter insisted on castrating him first and additionally that I would be the one to pay for his mutilation. It broke my heart and still makes me sad, more than a decade later....
As for "and just accepted everything she wanted thinking she would leave me alone" ... I've been given advice that was similar to this in the past, but in my experience that just does not work. A lesson I have learned (although in a very different context) is that one needs to set clear boundaries for other people or else they'll just continue to walk all over us. Unfortunately it's hard to give advice over the internet ... everybody's situation is different ... and when the police is knocking on your door with an official order, you can't really do much anymore, I suppose. I hope you have friends around you who support you though.
Truly the only stress it causes is the fact that if caught and prosecuted you will lose your animal and I'd bet if you beat it they would have already have destroyed your animal too.